Passion for the Divine, St Francis de Sales and the new evangelization

Some discussion points for Sunday’s chat:
1.How does St. Francis de Sales’ perspective encourage you?
2.What is your passion for our faith?
3.How can we encourage each other to enter more fully into the spirit of the new evangelization?
4.How does one come to possess this “divine passion”? Is it a gift, or something that we can get somehow?
5.St. Francis looks to mission work in foreign lands. Where is the new mission land?

Sister : Passionate faith. That’s what we need to be able to share it! Does passionate faith describe yours?

What did you think of St Francis de Sales- I found his quotes heart-stirring and I realize what happens in my own little evangelizations now

  Not enuf zeal!

Rob: We can think about doing things,want to do them but if we do not put them into action…it does not happen

Sister : A person who has zeal inspires me- but if they don’t have faith- they deflate me. So I do not share as well, esp with family

Feb 24 2013, 7:40 PM

Rob: Yes, I know that well.

Sister : So how does one get to the point of being zealous independently

Sister : Sometimes I want to go on a rooftop overlooking Manhattan and shout-(metaphorically speaking)

 you are all missing the best of life

Rob: Imagine

  Like eating the crumb instead of the whole loaf

Sister : But face to face with one lacking faith the so called zeal evaporates

Rob: people who do not have faith often defend their point of view and are not open to listening:

Sister : I guess Jesus faced that too- he could work no miracle in places because of the lack of faith

J: its’ so easy to be angry and snarly when you don’t have God’s love in you:

Sister : That’s it- the lack of love

Rob: I have heard affirmations, promises from one daughter and one son that they would get their children Baptized…mine who were baptized at 3 or 4 weeks old…at 5, 9. 6 and 13 months are still not baptized

Rob: all sorts of reasons why….no matter what we say…up come the reasons

Sister : That must be so hard for you- all you can do is keep on loving them and prompting and witnessing

Rob: Jesus, Himself, could not convert many on earth while HE was here…so it is not wonder why we cannot.

J: There is a noticeable contrast in me when I am walking in faith and when walking away from God. My negative emotions like anger are so much stronger

Sister : That’s an angle to use in faith witnessing J, others mite experience it

 I think the love is all we can give them and pray for the grace. But I do know that an honestly zealous (not fanatic) person can be inspiriing to others

Guest519 (guest): I try to evangelize tactfully

Sister : How can we retain whatever passion for the faith we have without being drained with the lack of faith of others, in conversation with them?

 Sister : tactfully- that’s intriguing

 Passion vs tact!

Guest519 (guest): As tactfully as possible- so as not to scare them away

Guest519 (guest): Ralph Martin is great!!

Sister : What can you highlite about his talk on evangelization?

Guest519 (guest): I have read some of his books

Feb 24 2013, 7:55 PM

Guest519 (guest): Fulfillment of All Desire

J: He kept talking about the tsunami of securlarism and how hard it is becoming to penetrate that. Also how clearly the bible speaks of the narrow path to heaven where the world sees a wide easy path to heaven: that we have to make them see what it really says very clearly from Jesus

J: Luke 13:24

Guest519 (guest): Secularism=pervasive

Guest519 (guest): Most of my friends=atheists

Rob: so sad that so many do not believe.

 they spend so much time and energy fighting a God they claim does not exist.

J: and it becomes even harder when so many of our Shepard’s keep following into bad stuff…the world says…see…how can you believe what that Church teaches..they are disfunctionally..hard to break through that sometimes with people

Jim I: falling

Guest519 (guest): Yes- many have barriers to belief

Rob: Sad there have been many shepherds that have run off the cliff with the sheep. People do fail to realize the fact that sheperds are also human

Guest519 (guest): Tact & friendly apologetics can be effective though

Rob: and as humans they do have a fallen nature as well.

Sr. M: Hello! I just came from a dinner party honoring Fr. James Schall, SJ – well know author and professor who just retired and is moving to CA.

Feb 24 2013, 8:05 PM

Sister : In Georgetown U?

Guest519 (guest): Fr Schall is a great political philosopher

Sr. M: Yes, GU. We love and admire the man!

Guest519 (guest): Hope he still decides to write the occasional article

Sister : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1rFyYbKak

“The Final Gladness” – A Last Lecture by Father James V. Schall – YouTube

Sr. M: In one of SFdS’s conferences, he said: “The more we humble and abase ourselves through the knowledge of what we are of ourselves and through the small esteem in which it holds all that is in us and of us, so much the more does it unite us to God by grace.”

Guest519 (guest): Jesus meek & humble of heart

Sr. M: We are dust and back to dust we return.

Rob: many fail to realize that

Sr. M: But dust graced by God

Guest519 (guest): Yes

Rob it is so important that we accept and cooperate with HIS graces

Sr. M: Dust energized by Our Lord can serve Him well1

Guest519 (guest): …make our hearts like unto Thine

Guest519 (guest): On fire w/Holy Spirit!

Sr. M: Yes, we get glimpses, like today’s Gospel, of what Christ’s heart really is.

Our priest called Christ the “thinnest” being ever, in that He was so transparent to God’s realm.

Guest519 (guest): Makes sense

Sr. M: When have you experienced God’s glory? That’s where the veil is thinnest.

 That’s what Celtic spirituality is all about.

Sister : So when we do all for the glory of God you are “thinning” the spiritual atmosphere?

Sr. M: Every moment is saturated with God’s being – cf. Gerard Manley Hopkins poems.

Guest519 (guest): Yes, I agree w/Fr. Gerard

Guest519 (guest): Jesuit spirituality too

Sr. M: We’re allowing God’s presence and glory to shine through, so it’s not we who live but He’s living in and through us.

Guest519 (guest): Like St Paul

Sr. M: We’re His instruments, channels of His grace.

Guest519 (guest): That’s a high ideal

Guest519 (guest): Can only attempt

Feb 24 2013, 8:23 PM

Sr. M: Yes, I know I get in the way of His shining through me all the time!

Rob: we all do….that is the human side of us…

Sr. M: Confession cleans our lenses.

Guest519 (guest): Yes

Sr. M: It’s all about trying our best – in the midst of all kinds of suffering and heartaches – ours and others’. PM

Guest519 (guest): Never give up

Guest519 (guest): Hope

Rob: persevere

Sr. M: As Blessed Teresa of Calcutta says, “We’re not called to be successful; we’re called to be faithful.”

Rob: yes

Feb 24 2013, 8:26 PM

Sister : And as brought up before- the Holy Spirit is the One who propels us to holiness, to witness, to zeal

Guest519 (guest): I need to remember that one

Sister : I think the insight on the Holy Spirit really gave me an answer about the zeal with the ones lacking faith. If one gets deflated in their presence keep calling on the Holy Spirit and do all for the Glory of God!

Feb 24 2013, 8:35 PM

Sr. M: I’m convinced if I stay deeply grateful for everything, then I praise God best.

guest): As majorem Dei gloriam

Guest519 (guest): Ad

Sr. M: Gratefulness allows the Spirit to shine through, I think.

Guest519 (guest): Eucharistia