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Chatting about Self love

by | Oct 2, 2017 | Discernment Sundays - Chat Room

How do you love yourself? Is it a love which concerns this life chiefly? If so, you will desire to abide here for ever, and you will diligently seek your worldly establishment,––but if the love you bear yourself has a heavenward tendency, you will long, or, at all events you will be ready to go hence whensoever it may please our Lord.2.
Oct 1, 7:10 AM

SRSUSAN (Guest): Is your love of yourself well regulated? for nothing is more ruinous than an inordinate love of self. A well-regulated love implies greater care for the soul than for the body; more eagerness in seeking after holiness than aught else; a greater value for heavenly glory than for any mean earthly honour. A well regulated heart much oftener asks itself, “What will the angels say if I follow this or that line of conduct?“ than what will men say.3. What manner of love do you bear to your own heart? Are you willi

Oct 1, 7:11 AM

SRSUSAN (Guest): Are you willing to minister to it in its maladies? for indeed you are bound to succour it, and seek help for it when harassed by passion, and to leave all else till that is done.4. What do you imagine yourself worth in God’s Sight? Nothing, doubtless, nor is there any great humility in the fly which confesses it is nought, as compared with a mountain, or a drop of water, which knows itself to be nothing compared with the sea, or a cornflower, or a spark, as compared with the sun. But humility consists in no

Oct 1, 7:11 AM

SRSUSAN (Guest): But humility consists in not esteeming ourselves above other men, and in not seeking to be esteemed above them. How is it with you in this respect?

5. In speech-–do you never boast in any way? Do you never indulge in self-flattery when speaking of yourself?

6. In deed-–do you indulge in anything prejudicial to your health,––I mean useless idle pleasures, unprofitable night-watches, and the like?

Oct 1, 7:16 PM

Judy (Guest): Hi Everyone. Happy Feast of St. Therese of Lisieux

Oct 1, 7:31 PM

Judy (Guest): Mother, you did say to choose one or two of the points, didn’t you?

Oct 1, 7:32 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Loving oneself can be positive of course but the tradional “self love” had a negative sense

Oct 1, 7:32 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Yes it is way too much for one night

Oct 1, 7:34 PM

Judy (Guest): Well, I chose point 1. How do I love myself? My self-love is not so concerned with this life. I am eager for the life that is to come when I will see the Lord in all His glory and beauty. I am truly ready to go whenever He wills and I am trying to immerse myself in Him more and more every day.

Oct 1, 7:35 PM

Carol Ann: I always get bogged down on the difference between real self-love and what the world is calling self esteem, not the same things at all!

Oct 1, 7:36 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): By loving our neighbor ! We confirm love and care for self !

Oct 1, 7:36 PM

SrSusan (Guest): And Jesus says to love anorther as welove ourselves

Oct 1, 7:37 PM

Carol Ann: so if we do not know what is a healthy self love, we cannot love our neighbor correctly?

Oct 1, 7:37 PM

Judy (Guest): I believe that real self-love involves a love that cares for our needs and recognizes our position as creatures. The self-esteem of this world is often an inflated view of the self in which one thinks that he is better than anyone else.

Oct 1, 7:38 PM

Lisa C: I have to think that I am worth a lot for Jesus to die for me, but feel like I do not deserve Him, but am so happy to have Him and His love

Oct 1, 7:39 PM

SrSusan (Guest): We are created to be greater than we sometimes think but that greatness is an image of God and comes from Him as Creator

Oct 1, 7:39 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): when we neglect those around us it is a signal that we have a problem and we are probably not taking care of ourselves or have bad view of ourselves

Oct 1, 7:40 PM

Lisa C: Jesus created Adam and Eve perfectly, He would not create anything imperfect, but they and we use our free will to mess up that perfection.

Oct 1, 7:40 PM

Carol Ann: yes, Brian, because when that happens we become self focussed trying to figure out what the problem is

Oct 1, 7:40 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Soo true Carol Ann

Oct 1, 7:40 PM

Lisa C: He gives us the capacity to be perfect, but somehow we keep failing

Oct 1, 7:41 PM

Lisa C: Thank God we have God

Oct 1, 7:41 PM

Carol Ann: Amen!

Oct 1, 7:42 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Whoever wants to be first should be last and servant of all !

Oct 1, 7:42 PM

Judy (Guest): Lisa, I zeroed in on point 4 as well. My worth in God’s sight, although I am but a speck of dust, the Lord says in His word that I am worth more than many sparrows.My worth comes from God and not myself. He calls me friend rather than slave. He tells us that there is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for a friend. And He laid His life down by first changing bread and wine into His Body and Blood, and then laying that very Body on a cross to which He was nailed and gave up His live for us.

Oct 1, 7:42 PM

Dawn (Guest): hi everyone!, just reading back

Oct 1, 7:42 PM

Judy (Guest): Hi Dawn!

Oct 1, 7:42 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Pride always removes us from service to others !

Oct 1, 7:42 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Dawn!

Oct 1, 7:44 PM

Lisa C: We can overcome sin with grace, that is the whole thing about what is being argued between the traditional dogma and the recent relativistic claims that some are stuck in mortal sin and should be allowed to have Communion anyway

Oct 1, 7:44 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Welcome again –glad you are here

Oct 1, 7:44 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Hi Dawn ! God Bless You ! Brian

Oct 1, 7:44 PM

Lisa C: Hi Dawn

Oct 1, 7:45 PM

Judy (Guest): He tells us that we are the light of the world and that we must let our light shine before others. He tells us that God will provide for us. Now would He provide for someone who is nothing to Him? We can take for our own the words of Mary in her Magnificat.

Oct 1, 7:45 PM

Carol Ann: Isn’t the thinking that reception will give the grace to overcome, not a disrespect to the Real Presence ?

Oct 1, 7:45 PM

Lisa C: No, Carol Ann, the sin separates us from Communion with God

Oct 1, 7:45 PM

Lisa C: Free will has to repent and change to come to Communion

Oct 1, 7:46 PM

Carol Ann: I know the dogma, but I am curious as to the reasoning behind allowing people to receive while still in the process of repenting

Oct 1, 7:46 PM

Judy (Guest): “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my savior. For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. the Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

Oct 1, 7:47 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Amen!!!

Oct 1, 7:47 PM

Judy (Guest): In her humility, she is able to acknowledge her lowliness and greatness together. Her greatness is from God. We are all in the position of being nothing and great at the same time.

Oct 1, 7:49 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): We are unprofitable servants .We must continue to do what God has asked us to do !

Oct 1, 7:49 PM

Judy (Guest): Carol Ann, remember that unless a person is in mortal sin he or she can receive the Eucharist. Receiving Communion brings forgiveness of sin. So we can receive even while in the process of repenting. Receiving Jesus will strengthen our resolve.

Oct 1, 7:51 PM

Lisa C: 1 Cor 11: 27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves,

Oct 1, 7:51 PM

Carol Ann: Judy, that’s what I thought...but I think Lisa is speaking of mortal sin, and that people are being encouraged to receive in that state. I’m curious as to the reasoning, because on the surface it seems to make sense, but there is something much deeper going on that Lisa is trying to point out to me.

Oct 1, 7:51 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God !

Oct 1, 7:52 PM

Lisa C: we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.

Oct 1, 7:53 PM

Lisa C: I am upset that it seems that Francis is completely contradicting St. J-PII and the catechism.

Oct 1, 7:53 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi everyone. I’ve just been reading over what you’ve been saying. I thought I’d just come and excuse myself even before starting, but seldom does anything work out as planned. I have to deliver some food to some people a twenty minute drive from here, and packing it up while it is still good, and hauling to the car, etc. will surely take me quite a bit of time. Interesting discussion, but I think there is some misunderstanding –– representing various public press and portions of the writing of Pope Fra

Oct 1, 7:53 PM

Lisa C: An Pope Benedict

Oct 1, 7:54 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Hi Ruth ! God Bless You ! Brian

Oct 1, 7:54 PM

Lisa C: Truth is eternal and cannot change

Oct 1, 7:54 PM

Judy (Guest): Ruth, you are love in action!

Oct 1, 7:54 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Ruth! It’s good to “see” you!

Oct 1, 7:55 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Amen Judy !

Oct 1, 7:55 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Ruth I received your e mail and I am praying for the woman you mentioned

Oct 1, 7:55 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth

Oct 1, 7:55 PM

Lisa C: The only point I am making is that God will give us enough grace to overcome serious sin, it is not impossible

Oct 1, 7:56 PM

Guest8487 (Guest): Amen Lisa !

Oct 1, 7:56 PM

Judy (Guest): I have seen reports that a number of bishops have requested a meeting with Pope Francis to clear up any misunderstanding.

Oct 1, 7:56 PM

Lisa C: He has refused them repeatedly Judy

Oct 1, 7:56 PM

Judy (Guest): Definitely, Lisa. It is for us to cooperate with that grace.

Oct 1, 7:57 PM