Sacred Heart Novenas Begin Thursday June 15 at Visitation Monasteries

Various Visitation Monasteries will begin their annual nine day Novena of Masses to the Sacred Heart of Jesus beginning Thursday June 15, 2017 through the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart, June 23rd, 2017.

Some Monasteries will have a Triduum of Masses.

Brooklyn Visitation Monastery, NY; Mobile Alabama Visitation Monastery, Toledo, Ohio, Visitation Monastery have 9 days.

Tyringham, Mass. Visitation Monastery has a Triduum.

Check your local Visitation Monastery for details.

Salesian Week 2017-Celebrating 450 Years of St Francis de Sales

For the 450th anniversary of the birth of François de Sales, the themes of the conferences relate to the life and work of Saint Francis de Sales

When

From 20/08/2017 to 27/08/2017

Basilica of the Visitation, Annecy, France

PROGRAM

Sunday 20 to Sunday 27 August 2017

Daily Schedule

10h Mass

15h-16h45 Adoration at the crypt 11h15 Conference

5 pm Celebration of the Word 3 pm-5 pm Adoration at the Crypt

And Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament 17:20 Evening Prayer – Vespers

Sunday 28 Blessing of the city 6 pm Conference
Masses:

Sunday 20 August: Mass presided by Bishop Yves Boivineau
Sunday, August 27: Mass presided by Bishop Emmanuel Gobilliard, Auxiliary Bishop of Lyon

During the week: Presidency and preaching by the priest speaker of the day (12mn broadcast on RCF Haute-Savoie)


Conferences:

They are held in the basilica of the Visitation, from Monday to Saturday in the morning at 11:15 after mass and resumed in the evening at 18:00. Duration of the lectures: 30/35 minutes followed by 10 to 15 minutes of exchanges.

Monday 21st Francois de Sales, child and student (crises of Paris and Padua): Michel TOURNADE, osfs

Tuesday 22 François de Sales, provost and on mission in Chablais: Yves CARRON, msfs

Wednesday 23 François de Sales, educator (and / or communicator): Thierry MOLLARD, osfs

Thursday 24 François de Sales, founder of the Visitation: Sister Marie-Christophe ZUANON, vsm

Friday 25Francois de Sales, bishop: Bernard PODVIN, psfs

François de Sales as a whole in his episcopate: an actuality of a holiness and a passion

Saturday 26 François de Sales, spiritual director: Emmanuel BLANC, psfs


Special days

Tuesday: Chablais pilgrimage
Wednesday: day of the universal mission
Thursday: Jubilee Day
Friday: health pastoral day
Saturday: Pilgrimage of the company Saint Francis de Sales (Daughters of St Francis de saless)

Chatting about: Marriage from the Introduction to the Devout Life

Questions to Ponder: The vocation to marriage necessarily calls into focus the procreative nature of marriage. How can marriage be procreative aside from the gift and fruitfulness of human life? Marriage has two ends: unitive and procreative (see Catechism 1601). What are your thoughts on this two-fold aspect of marriage? Have you ever thought (or currently think) that marriage is only meant for bearing and rearing children? The point of this reflection is to highlight that conjugal love is never m

Jun 8, 5:48 PM

VisitationSiste: The point of this reflection is to highlight that conjugal love is never meant to focus exclusively on physical pleasure, but that it should always have procreation as its goal and intention. What are your thoughts on this? How might this affect couples who struggle with infertility?

 

Jun 11, 7:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi Judy! How are you?

Jun 11, 7:25 PM

Ruth (Guest): I found some of today’s questions a little confusing – maybe because of the time in which SFdS wrote. Today the presumptions are so different.

Jun 11, 7:26 PM

Lisa C: How so Ruth

 

Jun 11, 7:28 PM

Ruth (Guest): People do not ordinarily, these days, think of marriage as only meant for bearing and raising children. But some go to the other extreme and think it is ONLY for “unitive” or even less, mutual satisfaction or socioeconomic “advancement.

Jun 11, 7:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Marriage is under fire but today we saw the best of it sat least on the surface

Jun 11, 7:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hello Sr. Susan Marie. Thanks for all you do to keep this group going/learning/sharing, and that in addition to “mothering” the whole monastery.

Jun 11, 7:31 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Well, to hit the first question-Marriage can be procreative aside from the gift and fruitfulness of human life by nurturing, in whatever way possible, all those who come into our lives; especially spiritual nurturing.

Jun 11, 7:31 PM

Lisa C: I think the Pope is right about needing more education for marriage prep

Jun 11, 7:32 PM

Lisa C: Pre Cana of 3 hours was not enough

Jun 11, 7:32 PM

VisitationSiste: Thank you Ruth- I will do all as long as I can! Yes marriage needs a deeper understanding

Jun 11, 7:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): Lisa, did you know about the field day from having studied at Visitation School? Is it a tradition on Trinity Sunday?

Jun 11, 7:32 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Yes, I said that last week and I outlined a possible 9 week program for marriage prep.

Jun 11, 7:32 PM

Lisa C: Maybe it is for 2 Catholics, but not a mixed marriage

Jun 11, 7:32 PM

VisitationSiste: I think one needs years of prep or sat least equal to the other sacraments

Jun 11, 7:33 PM

Lisa C: No, Ruth we did not have field day when I was there. It was on the Facebook page

Jun 11, 7:33 PM

Lisa C: When I was there it was cloistered and only the students could come into the grounds.

Jun 11, 7:34 PM

VisitationSiste: Guess what- I was able to save last week’s chat because now you can hit a prompt and it rolls back- we don’t lose the chat as we used to

Jun 11, 7:34 PM

VisitationSiste: Spiritual parenthood- good thought Judy

Jun 11, 7:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): Oh, FB. I check this site sometimes during the week, but rarely FB.

Jun 11, 7:35 PM

VisitationSiste: Procreation is a purpose or is it a fruit of marriage?

Jun 11, 7:35 PM

Lisa C: I think a fruit

Jun 11, 7:35 PM

Lisa C: Maybe both

Jun 11, 7:35 PM

VisitationSiste: Not every one can have children-

Jun 11, 7:36 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I think that according to Church teaching, it is a purpose, not to be separated from the unitive purpose.

Jun 11, 7:36 PM

Lisa C: Not everyone can have children, but all Catholics should be open to having children

Jun 11, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: Marriage has always been a great mystery to me- probably because I was not called to it

Jun 11, 7:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): True Sister, but I understand that if a marriage is not consummated – for whatever reason, even physical disability, it is not considered a marriage, by the Church. Is this not still the teaching?

Jun 11, 7:37 PM

VisitationSiste: It is surrounded by religous rites because in itself is highly spiritual- but many don’t see it that way

Jun 11, 7:37 PM

VisitationSiste: I think so Ruth

Jun 11, 7:38 PM

Lisa C: I do not think we should discuss how people see it outside the Church, that is not marriage to us

Jun 11, 7:38 PM

Lisa C: We see it as a sacrement, and it is like the Trinity were we are bound by love

Jun 11, 7:38 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Heading for question 3, keeping the focus on procreation as the goal, people struggling with intertility can adopt children, and see this as God’s will for them. Those too old to bear children should a adopt a nurturing attitude toward all.

Jun 11, 7:38 PM

Lisa C: We are one yet separate people

Jun 11, 7:39 PM

Lisa C: The Father and Son come together as one and the HS comes from them

Jun 11, 7:39 PM

VisitationSiste: This may be way off base, but I have had the thoght that marriage permanently binds you to the other in some spiritual sense as well.

Jun 11, 7:40 PM

Lisa C: Like marriage man and woman come together as one and a child comes from them

Jun 11, 7:40 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I agree, Mother. Marriage is a spiritual reality with the Lord as the center of every marriage, or at least He should be.

Jun 11, 7:40 PM

Ruth (Guest): Why do you think that is off-base, Sister.

Jun 11, 7:40 PM

Lisa C: Mother, I think for a real Catholic it does, but maybe not a person who does not believe

Jun 11, 7:41 PM

Lisa C: There is Catholic marriage and legal marriage they are totally different

Jun 11, 7:41 PM

Lisa C: Jewish marriage is different too

Jun 11, 7:41 PM

Lisa C: Catholic marriage is permanant

Jun 11, 7:42 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I think that in a truly Jewish marriage, there is a spiritual element as well.

Jun 11, 7:42 PM

Ruth (Guest): It seems to me that wherever there is love – and there should be love even in an arranged marriage – this is a permanent bond. It probably goes even beyond death. Think e.g. of the final passages in Song of Songs.

Jun 11, 7:42 PM

Ruth (Guest): Love is stronger than death.

Jun 11, 7:42 PM

Lisa C: Jews have divorce

Jun 11, 7:43 PM

VisitationSiste: Ruth because I was going to compare it to siblings. No matter if siblings never talk to each other again, ontologically they remain siblings. I think marriage is similar

Jun 11, 7:43 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Yes they do. They have to obtain what is called a “get” to be able to divorce.

Jun 11, 7:44 PM

Lisa C: Maybe that is why after my annulment I could not marry the man who proposed to me

Jun 11, 7:44 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) He may have been in a real marriage.

Jun 11, 7:44 PM

VisitationSiste: An annulment might be different- I have not thought of what an annulment means in the spiritual realm thoroughly

Jun 11, 7:45 PM

Ruth (Guest): But a Jewish marriage has a lot in common with a Catholic marriage. And the marriages that are NOT Christian, have, until very recently, also the clear intent to be life-long unions. Trouble is, young people these days, are not so clear about the possibility even of a life-long committment, let alone, covenant.

Jun 11, 7:45 PM

VisitationSiste: But Lisa I understand your statement above

Jun 11, 7:45 PM

Lisa C: Mother, I think it means one of the people were not committed to it. It does not mean the other was not. It takes two to be married.

Jun 11, 7:46 PM

Ruth (Guest): Lisa, do you mean that you could not, emotionally feel that it would “work” or be right for you?

Jun 11, 7:46 PM

VisitationSiste: Years ago when I was a child, Catholics seemed to “separate” but not divorce, so they technically remained married

Jun 11, 7:47 PM

Lisa C: It was hard for me to understand. My Mother said it so clearly. It takes two to make it a marriage, even when only one is totally committed.

Jun 11, 7:47 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (JUdy) An annulment signifies that there was an impediment to a true sacramental marriage. Perhaps one of the partners was coerced into marrying. Perhaps one partner did not come to the marriage freely and without reservations, as the questions of the marriage rite pose.

Jun 11, 7:48 PM

Lisa C: No, Judy we did not have a sacramental marriage anyway, my husband was Jewish.

Jun 11, 7:48 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) And perhaps one of the partners had been married before and had not sought an annulment.

Jun 11, 7:48 PM

Ruth (Guest): I think that we are in some very fundamental way CHANGED by who we love, and even by what we love.

Jun 11, 7:49 PM

Lisa C: I did not know it was not sacramental, I found out later, but we still had an annulment.

Jun 11, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: True Ruth. The”me” becomes “we”

Jun 11, 7:49 PM

Ruth (Guest): An annulment essentially means that the marriage never really existed, even if it was, on paper, truly a marraige.

Jun 11, 7:50 PM

VisitationSiste: Civilly existed, no but not sacramentally?

Jun 11, 7:50 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Please know that I am not referring to a specific marriage, but to marriage in general.

Jun 11, 7:50 PM

Lisa C: For annulment one or both did not come to it with the right disposition.

Jun 11, 7:51 PM

Lisa C: My marriage was in the Catholi Church, with a Mass, but it was not sacramental, because my husband was not Christian

Jun 11, 7:51 PM

Lisa C: Catholic

Jun 11, 7:53 PM

VisitationSiste: Marriage is very serious and how do we today help people understand that

Jun 11, 7:53 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I am not certain about this, but I think that a sacramental marriage can be between a Catholic and a non-Catholic.

Jun 11, 7:53 PM

VisitationSiste: In the end searching for the Will of God is most important in any undertaking

Jun 11, 7:53 PM

Lisa C: I think people avoid it now, because they do not want to go through divorce and because sex has become separated from marriage these days

Jun 11, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): A very devout friend of mine when I was in medical school – we lived in the same dorm – had a Jesuit spiritual director. His mother and father had been separated since he was a small child, although they had been married in the Catholic Church with a sacramental marriage. He spoke with her by telephone from Germany every week. She had a “boy friend” and was in the process of getting an annulment. When it was complete, and she was free to marry, he happily told his spiritual director.

Jun 11, 7:54 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I think that many people are fearful, or reluctant to make a lifelong commitment.

Jun 11, 7:55 PM

Ruth (Guest): The priest’s response (I think a bit tongue in cheek ):So how does it feel to be a bastard?

Jun 11, 7:55 PM

Lisa C: My parents are married 62 years, and to me marriage is like that, permanent. They were role models for me. Children now see divorced parents and think why go through all that.

Jun 11, 7:55 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I think that the same can be said for priestly and religious vocations. People are fearful of lifelong commitments.

Jun 11, 7:56 PM

Lisa C: Ruth, that priest was evil to say that

Jun 11, 7:56 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) What an awful thing for that priest to have said. Annulment does not make any children bastards.

Jun 11, 7:56 PM

Lisa C: Even if they were not sacramentally married, they were legally married

Jun 11, 7:57 PM

Lisa C: God does not make any people who are not as good as everyone else

Jun 11, 7:57 PM

VisitationSiste: There is so much confusion over these realities

Jun 11, 7:57 PM

VisitationSiste: After awhile don’t people get tired of being uncommitted?

Jun 11, 7:58 PM

Lisa C: Do not understand your question, Mother

Jun 11, 7:58 PM

VisitationSiste: Judy was saying people fear commitment I do agree. But don’t they reach apoint where they want something more

Jun 11, 7:59 PM

Lisa C: I guess it depends on the person, Mother

Jun 11, 7:59 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I do not think that anyone is uncommitted, even those who remain in the single. They are committed to being single and living out the Catholic life as a single person.

Jun 11, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: That is a decision too

Jun 11, 8:01 PM

VisitationSiste: As for infertility of married couples, that must be a pain that runs very deep- one’s love does not take a new human form

Jun 11, 8:02 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (JUdy) There is probably a certain sense of emptiness that accompanies, but that can be alleviate by adopting.

Jun 11, 8:02 PM

Lisa C: God has reasons for everything, even painful things. Maybe He wants them to adopt babies and children with no one to raise them.

Jun 11, 8:04 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Just a quick comment on question 2, the two ends of marriage. I have never thought of marriage as meant only for bearing children. But I used to think of it as meant for the union of the couple and children as an option. I know now that I was wrong.

Jun 11, 8:05 PM

Ruth (Guest): Haven’t been able to post.

Jun 11, 8:06 PM

Ruth (Guest): Just refreshed in a new frame. Maybe I’ll see if my comment is still there, in the original.

Jun 11, 8:06 PM

Ruth (Guest): No, I do not think the priest was being evil, or mean. That is a logical conclusion of the child (now, by the way, a priest, but of the Episcopal Church), having been born to a non-married couple. Annulment means the marriage never truly existed. Jim was amused by the priests pushing the meaning to its extreme. This is not letting me post any more – multiple tires. with this.

Jun 11, 8:07 PM

Ruth (Guest): Guess I just had to leave it alone for a while. Everybody – even the computer – gets tired of hearing from me!

Jun 11, 8:08 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) That priest was in error. No child born of an annuled marriage is a bastard.

Jun 11, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: You cannot push it to the extreme. Even with the annulment, the legal marriage still exists, that is why you have to get a divorce to get an annulment. The Church will not let you get annulled without it. That means the children are never bastards.

Jun 11, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: The priest made no sence

Jun 11, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: sense

Jun 11, 8:09 PM

VisitationSiste: Lisa you have it right

Jun 11, 8:09 PM

Lisa C: Anyway God makes everyone He wants to make

Jun 11, 8:09 PM

Lisa C: Everyone is His child

Jun 11, 8:11 PM

Lisa C: St. Joseph will watch the children who have absent Fathers

Jun 11, 8:12 PM

VisitationSiste: How do we develop the deeper understanding of marriage with our schoolkids or our own families.

Jun 11, 8:12 PM

Lisa C: We should pray that he does

Jun 11, 8:13 PM

Lisa C: We have to teach what marriage is and encourage children to marry Catholics who believe the same thing about it

Jun 11, 8:13 PM

Ruth (Guest): Not, in the civil sense, but I think it was accurate, as far as Church law is concerned – and for some religious orders – at least at one time, the marital status of the candidate’s parents can be a church law legal obstacle to being accepted by the order.

Jun 11, 8:14 PM

Lisa C: That is kind of wrong, I think

Jun 11, 8:14 PM

VisitationSiste: In the past but not here now Ruth

Jun 11, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): Glad of it, Sister.

Jun 11, 8:17 PM

VisitationSiste: I guess we are coming to the end of thougts on this- any other topic you ant to mention nw

Jun 11, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): My parents were different religions. My father became a death-bed convert to Catholicism. I had prayed for his conversion for over ten years. I am so grateful that I was able to witness this. He had, in fact, been studying the Catholic Faith, with lessons sent in plain envelopes, which he read in the attic (!) for a long time before that.

Jun 11, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): And his challenges to my Faith (as well as my mother’s) actually made me – by the grace of God – stronger.

Jun 11, 8:18 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) i was just checking the Catechism to see if it had anything to say about the children of an annulled marriage. There is too much to read to do it now. I will check again during the seek.

Jun 11, 8:18 PM

Lisa C: Mother, when StFdS wrote the book wasn’t he writing for his Nuns? What do the chapters on marriage have to do with them

Jun 11, 8:19 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) During the week.

Jun 11, 8:19 PM

VisitationSiste: No Intro is for the laity Treatise for the nuns

Jun 11, 8:19 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good way to inform yourself, Judy!

Jun 11, 8:20 PM

Lisa C: Judy when you get married in church you still have to have a marriage license and have a civil marriage

Jun 11, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): I think it providential that we are talking about the Sacrament of marriage on the feast of the Holy

Jun 11, 8:20 PM

Lisa C: None of the children of annulled couples are bastards

Jun 11, 8:20 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Even Sisters need to know the meaning and the rules regarding marriage. How can they advise those on retreats or in their classrooms if they do not have this knowledge.

Jun 11, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): Trinity.

Jun 11, 8:20 PM

Lisa C: Oh, did not know that

Jun 11, 8:21 PM

Lisa C: Treatise is amazing

Jun 11, 8:22 PM

Lisa C: Mother, which do the Novices study

Jun 11, 8:22 PM

Ruth (Guest): Lisa, I think that – about the civil marriage – varies with the state. In some states the sacramental marriage is accepted as also a civil union.

Jun 11, 8:23 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I am well aware that marriages performed in the Catholic Church must have to have a marriage license and undergo the blood tests required.

Jun 11, 8:23 PM

Lisa C: Ruth it is but you still have to have a marriage licence

Jun 11, 8:23 PM

Lisa C: No blood tests anymore

Jun 11, 8:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): What is really crazy now, is the effort of the US government, through the Supreme Court to equate the shared life of homosexual partners to marrage.

Jun 11, 8:24 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Well, that is kind of dumb in an era of HIV/Aids. Surely the partners should be tested for these before marrying.

Jun 11, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: Novices do selections from Intro but Temp Professed all of Treatise

Jun 11, 8:25 PM

Lisa C: I think every theological concept is in the Treatise

Jun 11, 8:26 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) How much is left of the Intro for us to explore? Maybe we could explore the Treatise next.

Jun 11, 8:27 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Would the Treatise be appropriate for us?

Jun 11, 8:27 PM

Lisa C: It is very long

Jun 11, 8:27 PM

VisitationSiste: I have to check The Treatise – we have short videos on it- would be great to do

Jun 11, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Maybe just some sections of it- the key books of it

Jun 11, 8:28 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) Maybe sections most appropriate for us could be chosen.

Jun 11, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Exactly

Jun 11, 8:29 PM

VisitationSiste: Short example above

Jun 11, 8:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): Are you able to share the videos here? Maybe it would require permission from the original publisher?

Jun 11, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: I think ok because it was published in a newsletter but I will check

Jun 11, 8:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): I mean on this site, or on FB.

Jun 11, 8:30 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) May I ask your prayers for the next two weeks for 4 Salesians who will be ordained to the priesthood on June 24th. I hope to be present but I have not found anyone who will be able to take me yet.

Jun 11, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes good for me to check on that0- but they are on you tube

Jun 11, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes Judy! What wonderful news about ordinations

Jun 11, 8:31 PM

Ruth (Guest): Not necessarily on Chatroll.

Jun 11, 8:31 PM

Lisa C: Yes, will pray for them

Jun 11, 8:31 PM

Lisa C: I think anything on You Tube can be shared anywhere

Jun 11, 8:31 PM

Ruth (Guest): If they are on YouTube legally, then all we need are the links.

Jun 11, 8:31 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) One of them is my “adopted’ Grandson. I would hate to miss his ordination.

Jun 11, 8:33 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) It is not any kind of legal adoption, rather a mutual one between us.

Jun 11, 8:33 PM

VisitationSiste: I wish I could drive you there! Will pray. Have a very blessed week. Sacred Heart Novena begins Thur Will include this intention. Good night!

Jun 11, 8:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): Some videos on You Tube become “unavailable” after the owner objects, but it is not very frequent.

Jun 11, 8:33 PM

Lisa C: God bless

Jun 11, 8:34 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) I would also appreciate some prayers for me as I have to present the formation info at the Cooperators’ meeting next Saturday and it is not coming together as I hoped it would.

Jun 11, 8:34 PM

Guest8318 (Guest): (Judy) have a blessed a week everyone!

Jun 11, 8:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): Wonderful, Judy, that you will have an “adopted” priest in your family. I’ll be on an SSJ Associate’s retreat on the 24th, God willing. Will remember you dear friend/son – particularly for joy and for perseverance in his vocation to the priesthood, until the good Lord takes him/us home.

Jun 11, 8:39 PM

Ruth (Guest): I have eye surgery on the 22nd – prayers welcome! It is “just” YAG lazer surgery; I expect to be able to drive myself home the same day AND to see more clearly afterward.

Jun 11, 8:39 PM

Ruth (Guest): God bless you!

Jun 11, 10:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): Here is a Canon Lawyer’s response about the legitimacy of children born of a marriage that is later annulled – supporting your view Lisa and Judy https://www.catholic.com/qa/are-children-of-an-annulled-marriage-considered-illegitimate. I have the impression that men often relate to one another in ways that make light of matters – even serious matters – that we, as women, would consider offensive. I remember J telling me of the conversation with his spiritual director, with whom there was a great

Jun 11, 10:36 PM

Ruth (Guest): mutual respect and chuckling as he told me. My feeling was a lot like your, Judy and Lois, a bit shocked. I did not think the priest was evil, but, whether correct or not in his interpretation, very insensitive. Maybe J told me of the exchange, in order to

Jun 11, 10:46 PM

Ruth (Guest): experience the response of a softer, gentler person. Maybe he felt he HAD to laugh WITH that respected priest. The remark/question may have been painfully too-close-to-the-truth which he’d already felt growing up without a Dad. Later the student – who became a doctor of medieval church historian – talked of becoming a priest, but he considered becoming Orthodox, in order to be able to first marry AND be a priest. We were not in close touch during the time that he converted to the Episcopal Church.