New Series- Flowers from the Garden of the Visitation- Sr Anne Mary Bollain

Part One

You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and have appointed you, that you should go and should bring forth fruit,and your fruit should remain ; that whatsoever you shall ask ofthe Father in My name, He may give it to you.’^ (John xv ;16.)

 

THESE words of the beloved disciple seem to have been pronounced in a peculiar manner for Sister Anne Mary Bollain, who, sent by Divine Providence into the vineyard of the Visitation, brought forth abundant fruits to the Heavenly Gardener, by her own sanctification and that of the many souls confided to her.Miss Bollain was born in Paris, September 30th,1599, of pious parents, who early instilled into her young mind the strong principles of Catholicity by which they were themselves animated. She was still very young when she desired to become a Carmelite,or a Poor Clare ; but, in accordance with the secret designs of Providence, she was refused admittance into these venerable old Orders.* God destined this chosen soul for the humble Institute of the Visitation, and,for a long time, sweetly disposed her heart by His lights and inspirations for the life she was to lead in the cloister.

In 1619, St. Jane Frances de Chantal, already renowned for sanctity, went to Paris to found the first house of her Order in that city. Miss Bollain lost no time in making the acquaintance of the Saint,as well as that of St. Francis de Sales, who came to give the habit to two of the postulants. She made known to them her desire of becoming; a religious,and asked to be admitted to their Institute. The holy prelate asked her name; she replied, ^^ Bollain.^^Then the Saint, in allusion to her name, said to her :” My child, le lin [flax) is a very small seed which multiplies in great quantities; thus must your works increase in the field of holy religion to which I willingly admit you.” She, accordingly, entered and gave herself unreservedly to her Heavenly Spouse. Under the direction of Mother de Chantal, then Superioress,she made rapid progress in the practice of the most solid virtues. Her good sense and correct judgment were soon apparent to the penetrating eye of St. Frances de Chantal who^ consequently, did not hesitate to confide to her, even during her novitiate, many house-hold charges, among others those of dispenser and portress. She also consulted her young novice on many points relative to the Book of Customs, which was, at that time, in course of compilation. Sister Anne Mary acquitted herself of all her duties with such recollection that she reached in a short time a very high degree of prayer, which was fostered by her great spirit of mortification. On her entrance, into the monastery she begged to be allowed to sleep in the dormitory of the novices whose beds Were merely bundles of straw laid on the floor of the garret, and which by morning were sometimes covered with snow,she gladly shared all the wants and inconveniences,as well as the laborious duties incident on a new foundation ; as a reward she had the happiness of making a review of conscience to her blessed father and founder, St. Francis de Sales. His words of instruction were carefully treasured up by Sister Anne Mary, to whose pen we are indebted for some beautiful sentiments uttered by the gentle Saint. We extract a few from among the many her devotedness preserved :

‘^ Why think you, my dear children, did God create you ? why did He redeem you ? why did He call you to holy religion, if not that you should be victims offered to the Divine Majesty, living holocausts daily sacrificed to His love? Therefore, you are in duty bound to destroy in yourselves, as far as possible, all that might prove an obstacle to your perfection, which consists in your union with God. These obstacles are self-love, self-will, the desire of honor, and the satisfaction of the senses. You must live by dying, and die by living; above all, you should employ your faculties, both corporal and spiritual, for the sole end of glorifying Him who has so particularly chosen you to be entirely consecrated to His service. To facilitate his, His mercy has given you His Holy Spirit who dwells in you to aid you by His light and love.^^

Before his departure from Paris, the holy prelate gave the veil to Sister Anne Mary whom he left with the new foundation, under the guidance of St. Jane de Chantal. And, truly, she imbibed her spirit ; for she lived in the daily practice of her teachings for sixty-three years, with fervor so remarkable that her memory will be forever held in benediction.

She was soon employed in a work which, at first,appeared very abject in the eyes of the world, but which proved highly conducive to the glory of God.In 1638, Mother de Chaugy gave an account of this mission, as follows ” In the year 1629, our virtuous Sister, Sister Anne Mary, was chosen in quality of Superioress to reform the Penitents of St. Magdalen. She was seconded in the undertaking by our dear Sisters, Sister Mary Simon Tollue, assistant and mistress of novices. Sister Claude Agnes de Chabannes, Sister Mary Dennis Langlois, and Sister Mary Bernard Lebrun. Now it was that the gifts of God in Sister Anne Mary were to shine forth to His glory, but without detriment to her humility; namely, her consummate prudence,ardent zeal, and perfect charity. This work had been long and earnestly desired by many great servants of God, but had been continually prevented by numerous obstacles; now, however, our worthy Mother de Chantal, to whom the affair had been referred, considering the love of the Good Shepherd for His wandering sheep, and the zeal of our Holy Founder for the salvation of souls, concluded that her children might undertake this labor of charity, but without binding themselves thereto. ^The sweet spirit of our Institute,^ said she, ^cannot endure other bonds than those of holy dilection, which maintain us in the truly Christian liberty of the children of God.^

 

” The Sisters chosen by the Divine Master to sacrifice their calm and secluded life, in order to further the interests of His glory and the salvation of souls,began a retreat of eight days as a preparation for their coming labors. After the first three days, they took the public life of Our Lord for the subject of their meditations, particularly those parts that relate to the conversion of St. Magdalen, St. Mathew, Zacheus, and others. Then, animated by the example of their Saviour, they entered the thorny field of their future career on the 21st of July, resolved to spare no pains in their efforts to render it so fruitful that its sweet odor ascending to Heaven might draw down upon it choice blessings. His lordship the Arch-bishop escorted them from Paris to the House of the Magdalens, which was situated near the Temple ;they were, also, accompanied by Mother Helen Angelica Lhuillier and several ladies, among them the Marchioness de Maignelay, foundress of the Magdalens,and the Countess de St. Paul. On their arrival.Mother Anne Mary made her profession of faith in the presence of his Lordship, and received the keys of the house. The penitents numbered about fifty.They conducted themselves most respectfully and cordially toward the Sisters, and seemed very anxious and inquisitive as to how they themselves would be treated.Mother Anne Mary and her assistant, Sister Mary Simon, who was likewise the novice mistress of these poor women, evinced toward them from the very first the most marked kindness, and endeavored to gain their hearts by the genuine interest they took in their welfare. This treatment so charmed the poor, unfortunate creatures that Mother Anne Mary acquired complete empire over them. They believed that the religious were angels, free from all earthly passions.

^’ Mother Anne Mary, seeing that the harvest was great, applied to the first monastery of the Visitation,in Paris, for more laborers. Two Sisters, one being Sister Mary Martha a Lorge, were sent to assist in the good work, and immediately a room was fitted up in a retired part of the house to serve as a novitiate.The sweetness and tact with which Mother Anne Mary and Sister Mary Simon attracted the penitents to this school of virtue were really admirable in their effects. By the grace of God it soon flourished in fervor and mortification. During the two years of the novitiate, the Sisters studied the dispositions of their pupils so that suitable rules might be given to themfor future guidance. These rules or constitutions were ultimately drawn up by St. Vincent de Paul, then known in Paris by the familiar title of Mr. Vincent.The Saint was assisted in the task by the Very Rev.Mr. Blanc, Grand Vicar of Paris, and at that time Superior of the Magdalens, and by the Rev. Mr.Chartron, Curate of St. Nicholas-des-Champs.

By this good work. Mother Anne Mary Bollain and her companions verified a prediction that St. Francis de Sales had made in 1619. The House of the Magdalens had been founded some months only before the arrival of the saint in Paris. One day he went to give the habit to three postulants. After the ceremony^ some persons asked him if he would not yield to the desire of Cardinal de Eetz^ who wished the Visitandines, or the Sisters of Holy Mary, as they were generally called,to form the penitents to a religious life, instead of establishing themselves. The saint made no reply, but leaning his head on his hand reflected seriously for several moments, and, at last, said: ‘^It is not yet time, the fruit is not ripe.^^ On another occasion,when questioned on the same subject, he replied :^^The time will come when the success of this House of St. Magdalen will far exceed our expectations.^^Truly, the saint spoke prophetically, for none ever dreamed of the great good that would be effected by the Institute. St. Frances de Chantal used to say that she seemed to see her blessed father, St. Francis de Sales, looking down from his throne in Heaven,with ineffable joy and complaisance on his dear daughters engaged in this good work, who, having been called to a life both pure and holy, hadbeen chosen by God to draw souls from sin, and to lead them to Him who had purchased them with His precious blood.*

^These words were written by the saint in a letter to MotherAnne Mary Bollain, dated October 7, 1629.

 

At the commencement of the undertaking, she frequently wrote the Superioress, Mother Anne Mary,letters of encouragement, in one of which she said :

” My very dear child, I cannot express to you the consolation I feel at seeing the fruit produced in souls by your efforts. This work is succeeding so well and gives so much glory to God and honor to our Institute,that we have great reason to bless God, and to humble ourselves. What an honor, my very dear child, what happiness to have been chosen by Divine Providence,to reap so abundant a harvest ! O how perfectly should we not annihilate ourselves before His eternal wisdom ! You will, unquestionably, lead all these souls into the way of salvation, and, by your patience,acquire treasures of merits and graces which will be shed, not only upon you, but also over our whole Institute. I salute most lovingly our dear sisters,your coadjutrixes in the good work, and exhort them,with all my heart, to labor courageously at their task,remembering that their reward will be ^exceeding great.’ ”

 

The saint directed Mother Anne Mary throughout this delicate and important affair. The constitutions were, at length, presented at Rome for the approbation of the Holy See, and on the 15th of December, 1631,Pope Urban VIII erected the House of St. Magdalen into a religious Order.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Program for Media and Truth- Annual St Francis de Sales Colloquium at Lourdes

22nd INTERNATIONAL DAYS SAINT FRANCOIS DE SALES
“Media & truth”
“That communication, in all its forms,to be constructive, to serve the truth “
Pope Francis – Social Communications Day 2017
Lourdes / 24-26 January 2018
Wednesday, January 24, 2018
z 10:30 – 12:00 pm / Panorama Hotel / 11-13 Sainte-Marie Street
Reception • Delivery of the files • The reception will then be done in the hall of the hemicycle
12 pm – 1:30 pm / Panorama and Saint-Sauveur Hotels / 9-13 rue Sainte-Marie
Lunch
z 1:45 – 2:15 pm / Hemicycle
Presentation film of the Lourdes message 14 h 15 – 16 h / From the hall of the hemicycle / Guided tours
The Marian Sanctuary and the Places of Life of Saint Bernadette through the city and / or the Cité Saint-Pierre
z 16:15 – 17:15 / Basilica of the Rosary
Mass for the feast of St. Francis de Sales
presided over by Bishop Nicolas Brouwet, Bishop of Tarbes and Lourdes
z 5:30 pm – 8:30 pm / Hemicycle

Opening of the Days
Nicolas Brouwet, Bishop of Tarbes and Lourdes
Jean-Marie-Montel, President of the CMF / Helen Osman, President of Signis
Mons. Dario Edoardo Viganò, Prefect of the Secretariat for the Communication of the Holy See

Presentation of the meetings by François Ernenwein, coordinator of the theme:
The faces of truth
[Philosophical dimension]

Round Table moderated by Christophe Henning (Pilgrim)
There is no unanimous agreement on the nature of the concept or how to think about it. The classic definition truth does not reach consensus, and even those who might admit it do not agree on its
precise wording or its implications. Overall, the question “What is truth? Remains open.
The philosophical disagreements on how to think the truth do not prevent to determine
an important part of truths.
With the participation of :
Marco Tarquinio, director of Avvenire, daily newspaper of the Conference of Italian Bishops. Journalist
Italian, expert in politics, he began his career at La Voce, Catholic weekly Umbria, his
birthplace, in 1981, before continuing in the Corriere dell’Umbria, to hold a political column
in La Gazzetta and became political editor at the newspaper Il Tempo. In 1994, he joined
Avvenire, first in Milan then in Rome. He will become director in 2009.
Vincent Morch, graduate in philosophy, publisher at Mame. He published with Salvator: Petit
eulogy of the truth-Manifest for a Christian humanism. If truth is necessary to intellectual life
and social, what makes us afraid of it, that we can even reject it violently?
Laurence Devillairs, doctor of philosophy, teacher at the Sèvres Center and the Catholic Institute
from Paris. His work focuses on the Classical Age and Cartesianism. he published at Vrin: Descartes
and the knowledge of God.

Dr. Karsten Lehmkühler, Doctor of Theology, Lecturer and Professor of
systematic and ethical theology at the Protestant Theological Faculty of Strasbourg, a researcher at
the Graduate School of Theology and Religious Studiesand the Center for the Sociology of Religions and Social Ethics (Comparative Theology of Religions and Ethics of Speech).

Exchanges between the speakers and the room. z starting at 8:45 pm / Panorama and Saint-Sauveur Hotels / 9-13 rue Sainte-Marie Buffet lunch on Thursday, January 25 th 7:30 am – 8:45 am / Basilica of the Rosary Mass presided over by Bishop Norbert Turini of Perpignan-Elne, President of the Council for the Communication of the Conference of French Bishops 9 am – 10.30 am /

Hemicycle The Splendor of Truth [Theological Dimension] Round Table moderated by Philippine de Saint-Pierre (KTO) Loyalty scrupulous in keeping the discourse of the true, and in keeping it sufficiently square, is, in these “deconstructive”, “postmodern” times – the adjectives do not fail us … -, the best testimony that Christianity can hold. With the participation of: •

Nataša Govekar, Director of the Department of Pastoral Theology of the Holy See Secretariat for Communication. Born in Slovenia, she studied theology in Ljubljana before obtaining a PhD from the Pontifical Gregorian University, supporting a thesis on “the transmission and communication of faith through images”. After a stint at the Aletti Center, a study and research organization founded by John Paul II, she was appointed to her current position by Pope Francis. •

D. José Gabriel Vera, Director of the Secretariat for Media and Communication of the Conference of Bishops of Spain, a post he has held since 2015. He is the author of the book: John Paul II, everyone love you, published by Eunsa editions in 2012. •

Henri-Jérôme Gagey, professor at Theologicum, faculty of theology and religious sciences of the Catholic Institute of Paris, of which he was the dean, and vicar general of the diocese of Créteil . He published in Salvator: The resources of faith. •

Gregory Woimbée, priest of the diocese of Perpignan, doctor of history and theology. Holder of a degree in canon law, he teaches fundamental theology at the Catholic Institute of Toulouse, of which he is vice-rector. He published in the editions Artège: Lessons on Christ. Introduction to Christology, and regularly collaborates with La Vie. •

Véronique Margron, professor of moral theology at the Catholic University of the West (Angers), Provincial of France of the Dominican of the Presentation since 2013. She published at Bayard Culture: Unexpected sweetness: When the Bible tells our stories of ‘love. Exchanges between the speakers and the room. 3 10:30 am – 11:00 am / Hall of the hemicycle Coffee break 11:00 am – 12:30 pm

Hemicycle Uses of the truth [Political and Economic Dimensions] Round Table moderated by Antoine-Marie Izoard (Christian Family) La Politics and economics have their own language, which is not that of ordinary life. It deals with as many perceptions, appearances and feelings as facts, figures and arguments of reason. How is the transition from one register to another, and at what price? With the participation of: •

Helen Osman, American expert in communication. Elected in Quebec City (Canada) on June 22, 2017, Helen Osman, President of Signis, the World Catholic Association for Communication, is internationally renowned for her work as a writer and journalist. She has held many responsibilities in the field of Catholic Communication in the United States, having served as Director of Communications for the Diocese of Austin, Texas, for more than 20 years, then as Communications Officer for the Conference of Catholic Bishops. from the United States for eight years. •

Jérôme Fourquet, political scientist, director of the “Opinion and corporate strategies” department at the Ifop polling institute. He published at Éditions de l’Aube: Home or submersion, European views on the migrant crisis. • Amélie de Montchalin, economist, degree in history and applied economics, master’s degree in public administration, MP The Republic in March of the sixth constituency of Essonne. •

Jérôme Chapuis, deputy head of the political department of the RTL Grand Jury – Le Figaro – LCI from 2012 to 2015, editor-in-chief at RTL and presenter of the “morning” newspapers at 6 am and 7 am. Exchanges between the speakers and the room. z 12:45 pm – 2:30 pm / Panorama and Saint-Sauveur Hotels / 9-13 rue Sainte-Marie Lunch in the lounges from 3 pm to 4:30 pm / Hemicycle and various meeting rooms nearby Workshops Each workshop will be led by a external speaker and led by a facilitator Their goal is to allow a deepening of the theme according to the specificities and expectations of each participant. The smaller number than in plenary meetings should encourage exchanges and sharing based on concrete examples. The same workshops will be offered twice in the afternoon. Thus, everyone can choose on site- registration tables will be available in the hall of the hemicycle – two topics he wants to develop.

Workshop 1. How to fight against the hysterization of information? • Speaker: Alexis Poulin, founder of the Modern World website, journalist and expert in European politics. • Moderator: Mathias Terrier, director of communication of the diocese of Tarbes and Lourdes.

Workshop 2. How to dismount the storytelling of institutions, com ‘services and calibrated stories? • Speaker: Jérôme Chapuis, editor-in-chief at RTL. • Moderator: Jean-Pierre Denis, editorial director of La Vie. 4

Workshop 3. How to educate to media practice? • Speaker: Serge Barbet, Executive Director of Clemi, • Moderator: Marc Leboucher, editor at Salvator.

Workshop 4. Does the truth make the audience? • Speaker: Mariette Darrigrand, semiologist. • Moderator: Guylaine Colineaux-Horny, director of international digital marketing at Bayard.

Workshop 5. Images and truth • Speaker: Éric Pailler, editor and project manager on digital scripts at the CFRT, French Radio and Television Committee, producer of France 2 religious programs. • Moderator: Claude Ganter, editor head of Ciric, photographic agency specializing in religious news. z 16:30 – 17:00 / Hall of the hemicycle Coffee break 5:00 pm – 6:30 pm / Hemicycle and various meeting rooms nearby

Workshops [Same as the first series] 7:00 pm – 8:00 pm / Panorama hotels and Saint-Sauveur / 9-13 rue Sainte-Marie Aperitif cocktail Presentation of the “Père Jacques Hamel” Award, initiated by the Federation of Catholic Media, 8 pm – 10.15 pm / Panorama and Saint-Sauveur Hotels / 9-13 rue Sainte-Marie Marie What truth do we want? [Dinner-debate with Jean-Marc Ferry, philosopher] Animation: Jean-Pierre Denis (Life) The “big witness” of the Days will offer an opening on what can be the contribution of the Christian press in this quest for truth . What impulses and constraints does it generate? Jean-Marc Ferry has been Professor of Political Science and Philosophy at the Free University of Brussels. He holds the “Philosophy of Europe” Chair at the University of Nantes4. A member of, among others, the Jean Monnet Foundation, the Spinelli Group for Europe, and the European Observatory of University Policies, Jean-Marc Ferry has published, to date, some thirty books. In 1995, the French Academy awarded him the La Bruyère Prize for all of his work, which was also crowned twice by the Institut de France.

Friday, January 26, z 7:30 – 9 am / Basilique de l Immaculate Conception Mass celebrated by His Eminence Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Secretary of State of the Vatican 5 z 9:15 – 10:45 am /

Hemicycle Truth and objectivity [Journalistic dimension] Round table moderated by Martin Féron (RCF) The ethics of information refers to a value, not exclusive but dominant, which is that of truth. This value decisively guides the codes of ethics of journalists: “to seek the truth”, “to respect the truth”, etc. It conditions the recurrent discussion among professionals and the public about journalistic objectivity. With the participation of: •

Rev. Dr. Joseph Borg, Director of RTK, Catholic Radio Malta. Holder of a Master of Theology from the University of Malta, he studied communication at Concordia University in Montreal (Canada). Promoter of media studies in Catholic schools, he was head of the press office of the archdiocese of Malta, founder of radio RTK and the newspaper Il-Gens. He took part in the fight against the corruption of elites, especially after the assassination of the whistleblower Daphne Caruana Galizia, who had denounced the abuses of the Prime Minister of Malta and some members of his family and collaborators. •

Jean-Claude Guillebaud, essayist, journalist and reporter. Promoted editorialist at Nouvel Observateur in 2010, he regularly holds a commentary on French society and politics in the weekly La Vie. He has a law degree and a postgraduate degree in criminal sciences and has published numerous books including: La vie vivante (Les Arènes, 2011); The taste of the future (Seuil, 2011); Another life is possible (L’iconoclaste, 2012); The faith that remains (The iconoclast, 2017). •

Mariette Darrigrand, semiologist, director of the firm Des Faits et Signes, specialized in the analysis of media discourse. Blogger and columnist (France Culture, The secret of sources), she regularly intervenes in the media. She is a lecturer in Paris 13, in semiology of the book. She published: How do the media speak to us (badly)? • Cyril Lemieux, sociologist, director of studies at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales (EHESS). Interested byr journalism and information in the digital age, he devoted a whole part of his work to the sociology of media and public space. Chronicler to the World, to France Culture, Liberation and Economic Alternatives, he published among others, in 2010: The journalistic subjectivity.

Exchanges between the speakers and the room. z 10:45 – 11:15 / Hall of the hemicycle Coffee break 11:15 am – 12:30 pm /

Hemicycle The international situation: the issues, problems and prospects of the Catholic press in the world Exchanges and debate with the audience . z 12:45 pm – 2:30 pm / Panorama and Saint-Sauveur Hotels / 9-13 rue Sainte-Marie Lunch in the lounges from 3 pm to 4:15 pm /

Hemicycle Thursday Workshop Breakdown • Summary of the Three-Day Work Final Exhortation by HE Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Secretary of State of the Vatican Conclusion of the Days by Jean-Marie Montel, President of the FMC

All plenary lectures will be translated simultaneously

Chatting about Charity in the Treatise on the Love of God

The word “love” has many different meanings in our society. We may say “I love ice cream” or “I love Saturday mornings” or “I love my spouse.” In your opinion, do these statements really refer to the term “love” as St. Francis de Sales understands it? If not, why? According to St. Francis de Sales, charity is the love by which we love God with our whole heart, our whole mind, and our whole will. This is a very holistic love. How does this love relate to expressions of love such as: “I love ice cream.

Jan 3, 5:33 PM
Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): “I love Saturday mornings.”; “Out of all my friends, I love Jennifer the best.”?
In Book 1 chapter 15, St. Francis de Sales says that we have a natural attraction, or affinity, to God based on three areas. What are they?
We have a natural desire to love God above all things, but on our own we cannot love God. What must we receive from God in order to begin to love God?

Jan 3, 5:33 PM
Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Chat Sun Jan 7 at 730pm est

Jan 7, 1:29 AM
Ruth (Guest): /bccatholic.ca/content/canada-awaits-st-francis-xavier

Jan 7, 1:30 AM
Ruth (Guest): Just an FYI — story about relics of SFdS being brought to Canada with Papal blessing.

Jan 7, 1:32 AM
Ruth (Guest): I had watched the video and was about to post this about four hours ago . . .

Jan 7, 1:32 AM
Ruth (Guest): Good night. I plan to be with you tomorrow evening.

Jan 7, 4:14 PM
Judy (Guest): Hi Everyone! I am very much under the weather today, so I will not be chatting tonight. Hope you all have a great chat. May I ask some special prayers from all of you on Wednesday–it will be my 73rd birthday. I find it hard to wrap my brain around that fact. Thanks and God’s blessings on all of you.

Jan 7, 7:23 PM
Lisa C: Hi Mother

Jan 7, 7:29 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Hi Lisa

Jan 7, 7:29 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Switched computers just now

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
Lisa C: It’s so cold!

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes! Welcome Carroll V

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
Lisa C: Hi Carroll

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
Lisa C: Hi Ruth

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): The topic is a bit heavy tonight when you read thru the chapters did you think so

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Hi- Thank you

Jan 7, 7:30 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Hi Ruth

Jan 7, 7:31 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): We can go easy!

Jan 7, 7:31 PM
Lisa C: I think it is because he does several chapters at once

Jan 7, 7:31 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes that is it I think we need to go one or two at most

Jan 7, 7:32 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): It’s simple enough tho to think about “lovong” ice cream vs loving God!

Jan 7, 7:32 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello Sr., Lisa, Carroll V. — and viewers.

Jan 7, 7:33 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Hi Guest 8389 as well

Jan 7, 7:34 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): The term charity in St Francis de Sales writings also has a different meaning to some extent than what we usually mean by it today

Jan 7, 7:34 PM
Ruth (Guest): And because some of the language is antiquated.

Jan 7, 7:34 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Seems like this is a good way to ort of survey and get the overall gist, but it would also be nice to savor little bits at a time and hopefully assimilate a little more, too… I guess this is one of those books to do that with over many years!

Jan 7, 7:34 PM
Carroll V (Guest): sort of

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Hi Sr Susan , Carol ,Lisa , and Ruth ! God Bless You ! Brian

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
Lisa C: Hi Brian

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
Lisa C: Hi Dawn

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Mother Lisa Ruth Carroll and Brian

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes- it is a deep work and I think needs to be done as you say in bits . So we can rearrange our chat to fit that right now

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Hi Brian!

Jan 7, 7:35 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Hi Dawn ! God Bless You ! Brian

Jan 7, 7:36 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): In our language love is such a generic word

Jan 7, 7:36 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): I imagine other cultures may have more specific terms.

Jan 7, 7:36 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Brian

Jan 7, 7:37 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, Sr. SusanMarie. We probably all know agape.

Jan 7, 7:37 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes and that is not a term that St Francis used in his work- I don’t belive anyway;

Jan 7, 7:38 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Should we define it, for the record?

Jan 7, 7:38 PM
Ruth (Guest): Plus, we distinguish filial love, i.e. brotherly love, and romantic love.

Jan 7, 7:38 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Does agape + charity?

Jan 7, 7:38 PM
Carroll V (Guest): =

Jan 7, 7:38 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): I think it would be “benevolent love” in St Francis de Sales’ works

Jan 7, 7:38 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): The essence of agape love is goodwill, benevolence, and willful delight in the object of love

Jan 7, 7:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, benevolent

Jan 7, 7:39 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Carroll were you putting the 2 together, agape and charity, for a third term

Jan 7, 7:39 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Hi Dawn!

Jan 7, 7:40 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Mother!

Jan 7, 7:40 PM
Carroll V (Guest): no, just confusing charity and benevolence

Jan 7, 7:40 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, but more than just benevolent, the highest form of love.

Jan 7, 7:40 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Dawn!

Jan 7, 7:41 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth !

Jan 7, 7:41 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): In so far as divine love beautifies our souls. And makes us pleasing to His divine Majesty, it is called grace; in so far as it gives us strength to do good, it is called charity;(SFDS)

Jan 7, 7:42 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): The Treatise gets very specific and almost analytical in its definitions but is balanced out by an overflow of imagery and examples

Jan 7, 7:42 PM
Ruth (Guest): I should probably put “highest” in quotation marks.

Jan 7, 7:43 PM
Dawn (Guest): selfless, love is but not the term to call it

Jan 7, 7:43 PM
Ruth (Guest): Love of God for man and man for God.

Jan 7, 7:43 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): I think that is correct, the highest

Jan 7, 7:43 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): one can’t have charity towards ice cream, for instance!

Jan 7, 7:44 PM
Ruth (Guest): Interesting distinction.

Jan 7, 7:45 PM
Ruth (Guest): Based on the effects of divine love.

Jan 7, 7:45 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): To quote the newsletter question: According to St. Francis de Sales, charity is the love by which we love God with our whole heart, our whole mind, and our whole will. This is a very holistic love.

Jan 7, 7:45 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Childlike Love

Jan 7, 7:46 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Simple uncomplicated

Jan 7, 7:46 PM
Lisa C: Love is the same as real life. The life that lasts is a manifestation of God acting in us.

Jan 7, 7:46 PM
Lisa C: If that happens we act in love and have life.

Jan 7, 7:46 PM
Ruth (Guest): I had a little trouble with that: heart, mind, will. Wholistic? Is “heart” also emotions, therefore also bodily?

Jan 7, 7:46 PM
Dawn (Guest): so, love is not an emotion, rather an act

Jan 7, 7:46 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): and the will

Jan 7, 7:47 PM
Lisa C: 1 John 4:7-21

Jan 7, 7:47 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): To put that childlike love above life itself ! Remember St Stephen and Soo many others !

Jan 7, 7:47 PM
Ruth (Guest): Is an act an action?

Jan 7, 7:48 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Total Sacrifice, Brian?

Jan 7, 7:49 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): We put our Love for God above life itself ! Willing to do God’s Will even if it means giving up our life ! That’s what Jesus did for us !

Jan 7, 7:51 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Though we have not reached this chapter Brian your statement brings us to the end of the Treatise, which is on Mount Calvary!

Jan 7, 7:51 PM
Ruth (Guest): I think I understand love as a choice, and action of the will, in this case — and why it is possible for anyone to make a covenant, as in marriage, even knowing that there will likely be ups and downs of feelings.

Jan 7, 7:51 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Good point Ruth

Jan 7, 7:52 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): We are Soo unified with God that are willing to always do the next thing He wants us to do ! That’s how all of you are living !

Jan 7, 7:52 PM
Ruth (Guest): Trying to, Brian.

Jan 7, 7:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): thank you for scripture 1John

Jan 7, 7:52 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Even amidst interior struggles(emotions) we can continue to do God’s Will

Jan 7, 7:53 PM
Carroll V (Guest): So, to truly grow from self-serving love to the truest benevolence and charity, do we just have to be still and wait for God’s grace? I know we can pray for purity of intention and practice doing good for others, but it seems that a thread of self-seeking (even seeking to please God so that He will be pleased with ME, keeps coming back to “self,” in spite of wanting otherwise

Jan 7, 7:54 PM
Ruth (Guest): And yet, I’ve been thinking a bit about the difference between Mary’s Fiat — let it be done onto me according to Your will” and the more ACTIVE yes, of, say living out one

Jan 7, 7:54 PM
Ruth (Guest): s vocation.

Jan 7, 7:54 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): There will always be weeds among the wheat in our case I think but one can dominate the other

Jan 7, 7:54 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Like St Paul said we have learned to be content in all situtions life presents

Jan 7, 7:55 PM
Ruth (Guest): DOing God’s Will, and letting God’s will be done to/with/through/in us.

Jan 7, 7:55 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Our Love for God is greater than our feeling or circumstances in life

Jan 7, 7:56 PM
Amy Cochran: hello

Jan 7, 7:56 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): We can do all things through Christ who Strengthens Us !

Jan 7, 7:56 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): We love God as we have an affinity with God, we are in His likeness

Jan 7, 7:57 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Amy

Jan 7, 7:57 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Hi Amy !

Jan 7, 7:57 PM
Amy Cochran: hi

Jan 7, 7:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello Amy.

Jan 7, 7:57 PM
Lisa C: Carroll, I think it is ok to want God to be pleased with what we do and the other side of that is doing His will. So it is both of what you ask

Jan 7, 7:57 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Welcome Amy’

Jan 7, 7:58 PM
Amy Cochran: Thank you, Sister

Jan 7, 7:58 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): How do we resemble God? Certainly in our ability to love even if not perfectly

Jan 7, 7:59 PM
Lisa C: We are His children made in His image

Jan 7, 7:59 PM
Ruth (Guest): That seems to me quite insightful, Carroll. And yet, if we do not love ourselves, rightly, how can we really love anyone else? God or human.

Jan 7, 8:00 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): We also know when we are out of God’s Will we understand conviction because we Love God and we hurt when we are out of His Will

Jan 7, 8:00 PM
Ruth (Guest): And that is amazing, Sr. And even more so, that he chose to be like us (in all things but sin.)

Jan 7, 8:02 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes but not all people understand why they are hurting and that would be a good place to begin to show a person about God’s Will

Jan 7, 8:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): “How do we resemble God” ?

Jan 7, 8:03 PM
Carroll V (Guest): I think of loving myself rightly as loving His creation and my body as His temple… I think of “self-love” as “what’s in it for me.” That’s the weeds

Jan 7, 8:04 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): SFDS” Our soul is spiritual, indivisible, immortal; understands and wills freely, is capable of judging, reasoning, knowing, and of having virtues, in which it resembles God. ”

Jan 7, 8:04 PM
Ruth (Guest): Weeds that are where they are wanted are wild flowers.

Jan 7, 8:04 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Our desire for union with Him resembles His desire for us, perhaps?

Jan 7, 8:05 PM
Amy Cochran: I think a good example of God’s will….I was stuck with no way home and was picked up by this nice man who started talking to me about God’s presence. He told me that his mother used to tell him that God may not always seem to be there but He is always on time. I thought that was pretty profound

Jan 7, 8:05 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): A Real Barometer for us can be the more we Love God the more we Love and Serve Others . As we drift away from God it’s more and more about us .

Jan 7, 8:05 PM
Ruth (Guest): Just a thought. Maybe it is Who the Gardener is that makes the difference.

Jan 7, 8:06 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Amen Amy !

Jan 7, 8:07 PM
Ruth (Guest): Interesting, Amy.

Jan 7, 8:07 PM
Carroll V (Guest): wildflowers- that’s beautiful, Ruth

Jan 7, 8:07 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): yes Carroll, the desire for union

Jan 7, 8:08 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): God’s ultimate desire is to save every person . Every person even your greatest enemy !!!

Jan 7, 8:08 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Love your Ememies ! Truly !

Jan 7, 8:08 PM
Ruth (Guest): He’s always on time. Sometimes he SEEMS to delay. That’s in our version of time.

Jan 7, 8:09 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): I experienced that in my life, God’s timing, often too in those providential moments

Jan 7, 8:10 PM
Carroll V (Guest): He;s certainly “always in the details…” even when it comes to time and timing.

Jan 7, 8:10 PM
Ruth (Guest): Sometimes I wonder if loving a neighbor, enemy or not, if he’s done you great harm, MEANS, pointing out the harm he

Jan 7, 8:10 PM
Amy Cochran: true union with God can only be in heaven, and i think the Eucharist is a glimpse of that. As we get closser to that goal of heaven, God allows us to turn away or have taken away more and more of our earthly desires

Jan 7, 8:11 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): The Jesus Eucharist is the center of everything.

Jan 7, 8:11 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Welcome guest 9863 and YES!

Jan 7, 8:11 PM
Ruth (Guest): s done, even though he HAS to know it, and pretends to forget the whole matter, or has forgotten because his conscience is so lax that it does not matter to him. And then, maybe seeking legal recourse or restitution may actually be a way of loving.

Jan 7, 8:11 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Tough love?

Jan 7, 8:11 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): God is always reaching out to the maximum amount of people He can . That is why His timing is always perfect !

Jan 7, 8:12 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): He does not want anybody to perish

Jan 7, 8:13 PM
Amy Cochran: Yes, like the saying, God writes straight with crooked lines..we tend to wander on our own paths and get sidetracked, but in the end His will be done

Jan 7, 8:13 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Amen!

Jan 7, 8:13 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): The newsletter question that follows- do you think the statement is true? We have a natural desire to love God above all things, but on our own we cannot love God. What must we receive from God in order to begin to love God?

Jan 7, 8:14 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Amen, Amy!

Jan 7, 8:14 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Forgiveness unleashes God’s Love like nothing else !

Jan 7, 8:14 PM
Dawn (Guest): Grace. the Sacraments

Jan 7, 8:15 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Let ourselves be loved by God.

Jan 7, 8:15 PM
Ruth (Guest): More like, if your brother sins against you, go to him; if he doesn’t listen, go to the assembly.

Jan 7, 8:15 PM
Lisa C: We need the Holy Spirit

Jan 7, 8:16 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Amen Lisa !

Jan 7, 8:16 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes

Jan 7, 8:16 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): We need to be open to God

Jan 7, 8:16 PM
Dawn (Guest): as he says in John 14: 27…..

Jan 7, 8:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): I think we need to KNOW God — however imperfectly. We can start by learning ABOUT God.

Jan 7, 8:17 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Yes.

Jan 7, 8:18 PM
Lisa C: Even though Jesus is God, when He was Baptized the Holy Spirit came over Him and God the Father said that He is His Son whom He loves and with whom He is well pleased.

Jan 7, 8:18 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): and tomorrow is the anniversary of His Baptism!

Jan 7, 8:18 PM
Amy Cochran: You cannot know God well without knowing the Son.

Jan 7, 8:18 PM
Dawn (Guest): meaning John 14:26 …..

Jan 7, 8:18 PM
Lisa C: So the Holy Spirit connects even the Father and Son via love

Jan 7, 8:19 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): The Holy Trinity.

Jan 7, 8:19 PM
Amy Cochran: I’ve been volnteering with recovering addicts and most say that it’s not just the God of AA that helps them recover, but it is the experience of Jesus in their lives

Jan 7, 8:19 PM
Ruth (Guest): His Baptism — a kind of epiphany!

Jan 7, 8:20 PM
Carroll V (Guest): What a grace it is that Holy Church gives us so many ways to get to know the truth about God, so we can grow to truly know Him!

Jan 7, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): may we have epiphany’s everyday!

Jan 7, 8:20 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Amen!

Jan 7, 8:21 PM
Lisa C: Blessed Mother is full of the Holy Spirit and that is how she was able to receive Jesus into her

Jan 7, 8:21 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): He who rejects the Son also rejects the Father . When I shared this with a Muslim friend he seemed to be deeply touched !

Jan 7, 8:21 PM
Ruth (Guest): That makes a lot of sense, Amy. It is God — made manifest through Jesus — who can love IS LOVE — not some god-like force or principle.

Jan 7, 8:22 PM
Amy Cochran: and the Mercy of God

Jan 7, 8:22 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Bless you for sharing your faith!

Jan 7, 8:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): Is the Muslim man a father — the one we’ve heard about before.

Jan 7, 8:23 PM
Amy Cochran: So many addicts spend so much time talking about the why, and when they just let go and say, it was done, but there is the Mercy of God, they can begin recovering which also has an intense guilt which can only be relieved through Jesus

Jan 7, 8:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): And prayed for.

Jan 7, 8:24 PM
Amy Cochran: and the unconditional love of Jesus on the cross

Jan 7, 8:24 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Such a special work and so needed right now more than ever!

Jan 7, 8:25 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Soo Greatful to God for freeing me from Soo many addictions !

Jan 7, 8:25 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Jesus is the way the life and the truth.

Jan 7, 8:26 PM
Ruth (Guest): At a local residential treatment center for alcoholics and drug addicts, there used to be a daily Mass (when the Franciscans owned and ran the place). It was so REAL, so authentic how the participants prayed from the heart.

Jan 7, 8:26 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): We thank Him!

Jan 7, 8:26 PM
Amy Cochran: St Maximilian Kolbe is the patron of addicts and alcoholics. how perfect

Jan 7, 8:27 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): God is Soo Good !

Jan 7, 8:27 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): I did not know that Amy

Jan 7, 8:27 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): His Gifts to us help us to love Him, for Himself!

Jan 7, 8:28 PM
Ruth (Guest): Amy, I did not realize that. Wasn’t he the nazi prisoner who volunteer to take the place of a family father who was to be executed?

Jan 7, 8:28 PM
Amy Cochran: I think it’s for two reasons. First he was killed by an injection of something, and secondly, addiction can be like a personal concentration camp

Jan 7, 8:28 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hmmm, interesting.

Jan 7, 8:29 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Thanks for sharing that

Jan 7, 8:29 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): We are drawing to a close- tomorrow is the Baptism of the Lord which ends the Christmas season. Blessed Ordinary time to all and prayers!

Jan 7, 8:29 PM
Lisa C: Please pray for everyone who is lost and does not believe in God and does not even know how much he/she needs Him

Jan 7, 8:30 PM
SrSusanMarie (Guest): Thank you all for being here!

Jan 7, 8:30 PM
Amy Cochran: Amen, Lisa

Jan 7, 8:30 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Thank you!

Jan 7, 8:31 PM
Dawn (Guest): A needed prayer! so many ……..in the name of Jesus we pray, Amen

Jan 7, 8:31 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Amen.

Jan 7, 8:31 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Amen.

Jan 7, 8:31 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thank you! Good night, and many blessings in the new year.

Jan 7, 8:31 PM
Amy Cochran: Good night

Jan 7, 8:31 PM
Guest9863 (Guest): Good night

Jan 7, 8:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): Good night Ruth, prayers for your warmth and safety out there

Jan 7, 8:33 PM
Dawn (Guest): G’night , peace and good.

Jan 7, 8:34 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Yes Ruth a very loving father . He had been impacted greatly by Christian Community in South when he was growing up . He and his father both Psychiatrists .

Jan 7, 8:35 PM
Guest8389 (Guest): Good Night Everyone ! Happy New Year ! God Bless You All ! Brian

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