Chatting about: Correct Judgment

SrSusan (Guest): Is Saint Francis saying that we should never judge whatsoever?
What is the distinction between rash judgment and right judgment?
Where in your life do you tend to look for the spec in your brother’s eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye? (see Matthew 7:3)

 

 

 

SrSusanMarie (Guest): we should never judge whatsoever?
What is the distinction between rash judgment and right judgment?

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:38 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol Ann, Mother, Lisa, and Brian? Hi

Apr 9 2017, 7:38 PM

Lisa C: Maybe right judgment knows all the facts, and knows the intent or the heart of the person being judged, so only God can really judge.

Apr 9 2017, 7:38 PM

Carol Ann: Right judgement takes all the facts of a case and holds them up to the light of Scripture

 

Carol Ann: Rash judgement doesn’t need facts, but relies on our own opinions and emotions

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:39 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Brian

 

 

Lisa C: Even facts may not be able to show what a person’s perspective is when they do something, because they may have misconceptions of what is true.

Apr 9 2017, 7:40 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) St. Francis does not say that we should never judge. But he does say that we should not judge people. I believe that we can judge actions as objectively good, bad or indifferent. Making dinner for a sick neighbor is good. Stealing from your employer is bad. Going ice skating is indifferent. It becomes bad if you go ice skating when your parents have told you not to.

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Lisa C: St. Francis says that some people in charge of others should judge with love. Examples: parents, Superiors in congregations

Apr 9 2017, 7:41 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): As I mentioned in a past chat, there is a difference between evaluating a situation and judging it. Or a person, for ex, should they become a novice- must evaluate that

 

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:41 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Hi Judy !

Apr 9 2017, 7:41 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): are you Ruth 9092

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:42 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) According to the Catechis, #2477, rash judgment is assuming as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of another. Right judgment, then would be a formulation based on having all of the necessary information, including the intention of the individual.

Apr 9 2017, 7:43 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): No it’s Brian Sr Susan !

Apr 9 2017, 7:43 PM

Lisa C: Hi Brian

Apr 9 2017, 7:44 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Hi Lisa!

Apr 9 2017, 7:44 PM

Carol Ann: I am wondering how many of our conversations go astray because we do not understand this distinction and just keep talking long past the time we should be silent

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Dawn (Guest): not sure I understand the connection

Apr 9 2017, 7:46 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) Perhaps we should resolve not to say anything about other people unless it is something complmentary.

Apr 9 2017, 7:46 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): The recent chat helped me recognize a moment of potential gossip last week, hope it will help me with rash judgment as we spell these things out

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Carol Ann: Dawn, because so many of our conversations seem to revolve around speaking about others

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:47 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) Oops. That should be “complimentary.”

Apr 9 2017, 7:48 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Hello everyone; I didn’t see my name pop up when I signed in, so I’m not sure if this is working or maybe I am Guest 8994?

Apr 9 2017, 7:48 PM

Carol Ann: Ruth?

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SrSusanMarie (Guest): So right judgement is used in what situations then

 

 

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) When we have all of the information.

Apr 9 2017, 7:51 PM

Lisa C: Maybe a Priest in Confession has to judge whether someone is really sorry for the sins they are confessing

Apr 9 2017, 7:51 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): opps. Judy! In person, this time. Thanks for sending in your thoughts other times when you could not be here.

Apr 9 2017, 7:51 PM

Carol Ann: Right judgement is in a court ofvlaw, that judges actions

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Guest9092 (Guest): I don’t think that we ever have all of the information that’s why Jesus asks not to judge others !

Apr 9 2017, 7:53 PM

Dawn (Guest): good point Brian1

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Carol Ann: But yet we are called to judge actions almost constantly 7:53 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): I think that real Love puts aside judgement

Apr 9 2017, 7:54 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Judge vs evaluate

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Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) I think that in a court of law, a distinction can be made between 1st degree murder and secondary manslaughter based on whether the individual intended to kill the other person.

Apr 9 2017, 7:54 PM

Dawn (Guest): some in professions or religious life, but mostly personal I think. I would call it professionally as assessing

Apr 9 2017, 7:54 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Sometimes I think that if it were true that “The road to hell is paved with good intentions” I’d be in big trouble; there are so many “good intentions” that I never accomplish . .

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Carol Ann: So we avoid judgement by using its couisns, evaluation and assessment

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:55 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (JUdy) You’d be in good company. I’m right there with you,.

Apr 9 2017, 7:56 PM

Dawn (Guest): but…making these judgments are not the same as thinking we can know someones heart

Apr 9 2017, 7:57 PM

Carol Ann: That is true Dawn

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:57 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): I like that Dawn: Assessment. That is making a judgement but not being judgemental, that is, not thinking less of a person because we recognize certain faults or deficiencies in the hope of helping to remedy or eliminate them.

Apr 9 2017, 7:57 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): It’s good to remember the guy that said no first but then went ahead and completed task and to avoid saying yes yes and never doing what we intended

Apr 9 2017, 7:58 PM

Lisa C: Extreme case: Terrorists went into Coptic Church Palm Sunday Service and blew it up today. Are we allowed to judge?

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Lisa C: Extreme case: Terrorists went into Coptic Church Palm Sunday Service and blew it up today. Are we allowed to judge?

Apr 9 2017, 7:58 PM

Carol Ann: The action is evil. But are the men twisted and mentally ill?

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:59 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Maybe what we mean in this context about judging others is actually condemning them. Because even to select a spiritual director, for example, we must judge that that person has the qualities necessary to be a spiritual director.

Apr 9 2017, 7:59 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes good term Dawn. Lisa it is a reality but the suicide bomber- we know nothing about

 

Apr 9 2017, 7:59 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) I think we can. We know that the terrorists’ motive is the removal of Christianity from the face of the earth. Of course, if the bomber was coerced, guilt would be mitigated.

Apr 9 2017, 8:00 PM

Lisa C: What are we supposed to think or judge about them

Apr 9 2017, 8:00 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Wonderful things God is able to accomplish when we are able to forgive and Love those who have harmed our communities !

Apr 9 2017, 8:02 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) What was that great song from “Jacques Brel is Alive and Well and Living in ,” “If We Only Have Love!”

Apr 9 2017, 8:02 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) Living in Paris.

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Guest9092 (Guest): Remember the example of the Amish Community in Pennsylvania when they forgave the man who killed their children . Pope John Paul ll who forgave the man who shot him

Apr 9 2017, 8:04 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): 1(Judy) What a great example they provided for the world.

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Guest9092 (Guest): We live in a world that is soo quick to hate ! We must Love even when it seems impossible ! With God all things are possible !

Apr 9 2017, 8:05 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Fortunately the man who murdered those children and the man who tried to kill JPII were no longer a threat to them. The terrorists are predicted by some scholars to completely change the face of

Apr 9 2017, 8:05 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Last q Where in your life do you tend to look for the spec in your brother’s eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye? (see Matthew 7:3)

 

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:07 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): That’s a continuation of what I wrote above.

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Lisa C: Maybe we have to have a mote in our eye to even notice a speck in anyone else’s eye

Apr 9 2017, 8:09 PM

Lisa C: We probably should never be worrying about specks in anyone else

Apr 9 2017, 8:09 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Brian, what you say is true, but loving does not necessarily mean accepting the values of the other.

Apr 9 2017, 8:09 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Amen Lisa !

Apr 9 2017, 8:09 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.

Apr 9 2017, 8:10 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Christ loved from the cross those who nailed him to it; his love was by way of example, knowing that he would rise again.

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Dawn (Guest): Mother, trying to re route thinking about another person their heart or as we are talking, but I do realized much more could be understood by addressing my own dysfunctions first. it must start there I think.

Apr 9 2017, 8:11 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): That is why it is possible for Christians to love evil doers without loving the evil acts they do.

Apr 9 2017, 8:11 PM

Carol Ann: If we all did our own inner work we would have no time to judge others but it can be easier to “fix” some one else’s problems when our own seem too hard

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:11 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) We need to pay more attention to our own actions than to the actions of others.

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Guest7094 (Guest): We kjnow that, by the grace of God, in the end, victory is offered us, through Christ.

Apr 9 2017, 8:12 PM

Dawn (Guest): when we can honestly look at ourself, I think this is a process, then we can understand others and have compassion for them and their failings. I do not know how to bring this to the subject of terrorists!

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Guest9092 (Guest): That’s true to Love someone does not mean that we accept their values that is why it is soo wonderful the Love Jesus had for us when He was willing to live here and die here for all of us !

Apr 9 2017, 8:14 PM

Lisa C: Maybe we can bring it to the terrorists by knowing that Jesus died for all sins. If terrorists sins are gigantic they need Him even more.

Apr 9 2017, 8:14 PM

Carol Ann: Dawn, but we must also learn to have compassion for ourselves and our frailities, not excusing them but taking them to the Cross , or we won’t have compassion to give

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:14 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): He was willing to do that for us we must share that same Love for others no matter what they have done !

Apr 9 2017, 8:15 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Carol Ann, that is so true; and yet, God can effectively use us broken instruments for others. Amazing!

Apr 9 2017, 8:15 PM

Lisa C: We can share Jesus with them. Pray for Him to go to them and send them His grace.

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Lisa C: We can share Jesus with them. Pray for Him to go to them and send them His grace.

Apr 9 2017, 8:15 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Remember St Paul was a terrorist !

Apr 9 2017, 8:16 PM

Dawn (Guest): good point! st Paul

Apr 9 2017, 8:16 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Jesus became like us in all things but sin.

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Dawn (Guest): insight for me Carol Ann

Apr 9 2017, 8:16 PM

Lisa C: If His mercy is infinite it can swallow up terrorists’ sins

Apr 9 2017, 8:17 PM

Carol Ann: It is something I am slowly learning

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:17 PM

Lisa C: When they are at the doorstep of death and see Him and see truth they will be sorry

Apr 9 2017, 8:17 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): After his conversion it was very difficult for him to speak to those communities he had terrorized but God chose him to speak to those who had never heard of Jesus !

Apr 9 2017, 8:17 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy)I believe that it will take a direct intervention from the Lord to bring an end to terrorism.

Apr 9 2017, 8:17 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): That is true, Carol Ann. Love your neighbor as yourself, but then you have to love yourself well or you cannot love your neighbor.

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Guest7094 (Guest): That is true, Carol Ann. Love your neighbor as yourself, but then you have to love yourself well or you cannot love your neighbor.

Apr 9 2017, 8:18 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Good connection,

Apr 9 2017, 8:18 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Brian,

Apr 9 2017, 8:18 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Jesus is giving us signs. His icon in the Holy Sepulcher- the eyes opened and rays poured out. Did you see that

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SrSusanMarie (Guest): Jesus is giving us signs. His icon in the Holy Sepulcher- the eyes opened and rays poured out. Did you see that

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:19 PM

Lisa C: No, Mother

Apr 9 2017, 8:19 PM

Carol Ann: I saw the picture of the eyes open but not the rays

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:19 PM

Carol Ann: And the 100 anniversary of Fatima is very soon

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:20 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) Where is that icon available?

Apr 9 2017, 8:21 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): Tell us about it Sr. Susan Marie.

Apr 9 2017, 8:21 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): https://lessonsfromamonastery.wordpress.com/2017/04/08/miracle-at-the-lords-holy-sepulcher/

Miracle at the Lord’s Holy Sepulcher | lessons from a monastery

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:21 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Oh an update on my friend Harry who is Hindu he signe his triplet boys up for preschool at St Amelia’s School . Praise God !!!

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Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) Thank you for the info Mother. I will look it up.

Apr 9 2017, 8:23 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): I’ve opened the page already; will read it more closely after we sign off.

Apr 9 2017, 8:23 PM

Dawn (Guest): Pope Francis homily on Feb 24: In God there is both justice and mercy

Apr 9 2017, 8:24 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Wow ! .God is reaching out to everyone everyday in every way ! Let’s keep reaching out to others !

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SrSusanMarie (Guest): Only LOVE will conquer

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:25 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Amen Sister!

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Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) And since God IS love, it is He Who will conquer.

Apr 9 2017, 8:25 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes!

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:26 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): I am convinced of it, Mother —

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SrSusanMarie (Guest): We need Him!

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:26 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): It may require a lot of martyrs. It already has.

Apr 9 2017, 8:26 PM

Carol Ann: The victory is already won. It reminds me of the Carmelite “already but not yet”

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:27 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): Go into all the World and preach the Gospel to every creature !

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Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) The Great Commission and the mission of every baptized Catholic.

Apr 9 2017, 8:28 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): The animals listen; it is the people who need to not only hear but SEE the Gospel lived. “See how those Christians love one another.

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Guest7094 (Guest): St. Francis (of Assisi) said “we have preached” to his disciple, when they walked through a village without saying a word.

Apr 9 2017, 8:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): and he says “…Go, for I am with you. ”

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Carol Ann: Preach the Gospel alwsys, and if necessary use words

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:30 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): That’s it, Carol Ann.

Apr 9 2017, 8:31 PM

Carol Ann: St Francis again

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:31 PM

Guest9092 (Guest): What a joy to share this journey with all of you !Thank You Jesus for all of our Living Jesus Chat Community members and prayer warriors ! Have a Blessed Holy Week Everyone ! God Bless You ! Brian

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Lisa C: YES HAPPY EASTER

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Carol Ann: Don’t forget the Divine Mercy novena begins on Good Friday

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): May His Resurrection grace fill you

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): All of which points to the necessity of community to live Christianity. Even the hermits — touched the larger community.

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Guest8994 (Guest): (Judy) From the cross, Jesus cried out “I thirst!” It was not for water that He thirsted, but for the love of His people. As Good Friday approaches. let us respond to His cry and pour ourselves out in love for Him. May your Holy Week be truly holy and your Easter filled with the joy of the Resurrection!

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Thanks Carol Anne!

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Lisa C: Remember what He did for us on Good Friday

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SrSusanMarie (Guest): Thanks Carol Anne!

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Lisa C: Remember what He did for us on Good Friday

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Carol Ann: Divine Mercy Sunday coming too

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Share the Good News!

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you Brian! God bless you in your ministry. Blessed Holy Week everyone! thank everyone of you, see you all in two weeks!

Apr 9 2017, 8:32 PM

SrSusanMarie (Guest): Yes! We have much to celebrate

 

Apr 9 2017, 8:33 PM

Guest7094 (Guest): A holy Triduum to all. Happy Easter!

Visitation Monastery Artwork to Be Featured on EWTN

Artist Anne Goetze who has traveled around the country displaying her majestic paintings of the Visitation Order will be featured on the EWTN program, At Home with Jim and Joy, May 4th, 2017 at 2PM, with additional showings.

ANNE GOETZE 
Anne Goetze joins Jim and Joy to discuss her short film and traveling exhibit on the Visitation Order of nuns. Hosted by Jim and Joy Pinto.
Thursday, May 4 at 2:00 pm
Saturday, May 6 at 1:00 am
Sunday, May 7 at 10:30 am

 

CC TV-G Duration: 01:00

A Pilgrimage from Germany to St Francis de Sales Birthplace

450th birthday: Pilgrimage to the homeland of St. Francis de Sales

A pilgrimage from the diocese of Eichstätt leads to the Savoy landscape and thus to the homeland of St. Francis de Sales. The program revolves around the life and work of the saint whose anniversary of birth is  450th this year . Elisabeth Graf will lead the tour from Wednesday 23 August to Tuesday 29 August. The participants of the trip take the bus from Eichstätt to the south side of Lake Geneva to Thonon-les-Bains, where a common service in the Basilica of St. Francis de Sales will be held. The program includes the visit of a chapel, which is at the place where the saint was born, and the parish church of Thorens. There, Francis de Sales was baptized and consecrated as bishop. The Bénite Fontaine pilgrimage complex is also a major pilgrimage site. The next destination is Annecy, where Francis de Sales resided as a bishop of Geneva. Tourists will visit the old town with the Cathedral of St. Pierre and the House of the Gallery, which is the foundation of the Visitation Order. A boat trip on the Lac d’Annecy is included.  In the Basilica of the Visitation of Holy Mary, where the relics of the saint are kept, the participants celebrate a worship service. On the sixth day of the trip, the monastery of the Visitation in Friborg is on the agenda before the participants take the journey home on the seventh day after a final service in the Visitation monastery in Solothurn. For further information and registration, please contact the diocesan pilgrimage center Eichstätt, Tel. (08421) 50-690, E-Mail: pilgerbuero@bistum-eichstaett.de, on the Internet at www.pilgerstelle-eichstaett.de.