Dealing with Sorrow

The “sorrow of the world” disturbs the heart​

 

 

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We continue our series with Part IV, Chapter 12, “Sadness and Sorrow, from An Introduction to the Devout Life. Here Saint Francis encourages us through those dark, depressing times.

Saint Paul says that “godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of, but the sorrow of the world worketh death.” So we see that sorrow may be good or bad according to the several results it produces in us. And indeed there are more bad than good results arising from it, for the only good ones are mercy and repentance; whereas there are six evil results, namely, anguish, sloth, indignation, jealousy, envy and impatience. The Wise Man says that “sorrow hath killed many, and there is no profit therein,” and that because for the two good streams which flow from the spring of sadness, there are these six which are downright evil.

The Enemy makes use of sadness to try good men with his temptations:–just as he tries to make bad men merry in their sin, so he seeks to make the good sorrowful amid their works of piety; and while making sin attractive so as to draw men to it, he strives to turn them from holiness by making it disagreeable. The Evil One delights in sadness and melancholy, because they are his own characteristics. He will be in sadness and sorrow through all Eternity, and he would fain have all others the same.

The “sorrow of the world” disturbs the heart, plunges it into anxiety, stirs up unreasonable fears, disgusts it with prayer, overwhelms and stupefies the brain, deprives the soul of wisdom, judgment, resolution and courage, weakening all its powers; in a word, it is like a hard winter, blasting all the earth’s beauty, and numbing all animal life; for it deprives the soul of sweetness and power in every faculty.

Should you, my child, ever be attacked by this evil spirit of sadness, make use of the following remedies. “Is any among you afflicted?” says Saint James, “let him pray.” Prayer is a sovereign remedy, it lifts the mind to God, Who is our only Joy and Consolation. But when you pray let your words and affections, whether interior or exterior, all tend to love and trust in God. “O God of Mercy, most Loving Lord, Sweet Saviour, Lord of my heart, my Joy, my Hope, my Beloved, my Bridegroom.”

Vigorously resist all tendencies to melancholy, and although all you do may seem to be done coldly, wearily and indifferently, do not give in. The Enemy strives to make us languid in doing good by depression, but when he sees that we do not cease our efforts to work, and that those efforts become all the more earnest by reason of their being made in resistance to him, he leaves off troubling us.

Make use of hymns and spiritual songs; they have often frustrated the Evil One in his operations, as was the case when the evil spirit which possessed Saul was driven forth by music and psalmody. It is well also to occupy yourself in external works, and that with as much variety as may lead us to divert the mind from the subject which oppresses it, and to cheer and kindle it, for depression generally makes us dry and cold. Use external acts of fervour, even though they are tasteless at the time; embrace your crucifix, clasp it to your breast, kiss the Feet and Hands of your Dear Lord, raise hands and eyes to Heaven, and cry out to God in loving, trustful exclamations: “My Beloved is mine, and I am His. A bundle of myrrh is my Well-beloved, He shall lie within my breast. Mine eyes long sore for Thy Word, O when wilt Thou comfort me! O Jesus, be Thou my Saviour, and my soul shall live. Who shall separate me from the Love of Christ?” etc.

Moderate bodily discipline is useful in resisting depression, because it rouses the mind from dwelling on itself; and frequent Communion is specially valuable; the Bread of Life strengthens the heart and gladdens the spirits.

Lay bare all the feelings, thoughts and longings which are the result of your depression to your confessor or director, in all humility and faithfulness; seek the society of spiritually-minded people, and frequent such as far as possible while you are suffering. And, finally, resign yourself into God’s Hands, endeavouring to bear this harassing depression patiently, as a just punishment for past idle mirth. Above all, never doubt but that, after He has tried you sufficiently, God will deliver you from the trial.

Questions to Ponder:

  1. Based on what Saint Francis says about sorrow and the good/bad aspects of it, what do you think (if anything) it tells us about the emphasis on Mary being the “Mother of Sorrows” and having a “Sorrowful Heart”?
  2. There is a common misconception that if someone is a Christian, then they shouldn’t suffer from depression, etc. How can this very real issue be handled in a loving manner? How might the advice of Saint Francis help?
  3. Do you find it ironic that, as Saint Francis describes it, the devil attacks with giving pleasure to the sinner and sadness to the one doing God’s work? How can we preemptively ward of the influence of evil?
  4. How might we find the strength to pray and stay encouraged when we are facing times of sadness and sorrow? How can we help another?

Chatting about: Anxiety

Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): What does St. Francis say is the danger when a soul becomes disturbed and anxious? What does it mean when the author says that your soul should be “in your hand”? When have you felt that your soul was in your hand? When have you felt that your soul was not in your hand? St. Louis advised his son that if he is thus troubled, he should tell his confessor, or a pious person. Why is this a good idea? This chapter follows eight chapters on temptation. Why do you think St. Francis placed this chapter here?

Jul 30, 7:20 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Lisa

Jul 30, 7:20 PM

Lisa C: Hi Mother, welcome back

Jul 30, 7:21 PM

VisitationSiste: Thank you. Hello 9709

Jul 30, 7:21 PM

Lisa C: Hi 9709

Jul 30, 7:21 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): Hi Everyone and welcome back Mother. We missed you last week. It’s Judy.

Jul 30, 7:22 PM

VisitationSiste: Thanks Judy! But you all had a great chat!

Jul 30, 7:22 PM

VisitationSiste: I read it!

Jul 30, 7:23 PM

VisitationSiste: The meetings were intense but profitable- glad to be back

Jul 30, 7:23 PM

Lisa C: What were the meetings about

Jul 30, 7:23 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) I found this chapter rather difficult to read and comprehend. I don’t know if it was the sentence structure or the language. I guess my responses will show whether I got it right.

Jul 30, 7:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hello Sr. Susan, Lisa, Judy. Welcome back Sister.

Jul 30, 7:24 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Hi Ruth

Jul 30, 7:24 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth! They were about the General Assembly in France in Sept and elections as well

Jul 30, 7:24 PM

Lisa C: Hi Ruth

Jul 30, 7:25 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes sometimes the writing Judy is a bit old fashioned?

Jul 30, 7:25 PM

Lisa C: What kind of elections do you have Mother?

Jul 30, 7:25 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) I hope that all of you are having the same wonderful weather that we are having in NYnow.

Jul 30, 7:26 PM

VisitationSiste: Federation President and Council for the other Federation, not ours

Jul 30, 7:26 PM

VisitationSiste: I think what St Francis wants us to know is that we need to be at peace about everything and that sadness is our worst enemy

Jul 30, 7:27 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Hi Carol Ann!

Jul 30, 7:27 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Carol Anne!

Jul 30, 7:28 PM

VisitationSiste: He says : This unresting anxiety is the greatest evil which can happen to the soul, sin only excepted.

Jul 30, 7:28 PM

Lisa C: Matthew 6:26-34

Jul 30, 7:28 PM

Ruth (Guest): I thought this chapter was very pertinent for me – especially right now. About an hour and a half ago I let myself be “sucked into” attempting – again! (it’s been going on for over a year and a half!) problem with a third party vendor and Amazon-Chase account. Started letting my soul “slip out of my hand, that is, getting aggravated again.

Jul 30, 7:29 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Everyone! Welcome home, Sr.!

Jul 30, 7:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hello everyone!

Jul 30, 7:29 PM

Lisa C: Hi Carol Ann and Dawn

Jul 30, 7:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Sister

Jul 30, 7:30 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Re: question 1. The danger when a soul becomes disturbed and anxious and feels that there is not solution to his problem is that he experiences excessive distress. this can lead to a loss of grace already posseessed and the power to resist the temptations of the evil on.

Jul 30, 7:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): that is to deal with the problem

Jul 30, 7:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi Carol Ann.

Jul 30, 7:30 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Hi Dawn!

Jul 30, 7:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Dawn!

Jul 30, 7:31 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hello Dawn.

Jul 30, 7:31 PM

Carol Ann: Anxiety is one of the great problems our culture faces

Jul 30, 7:31 PM

Lisa C: When we think there is no remedy for our troubles, we diminish God and His will. We are not trusting that everything is His will and that everything He sends is for some good.

Jul 30, 7:31 PM

VisitationSiste: It is more difficult to hear that inner voice of the Lord when it is blocked by anxiety

Jul 30, 7:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): Good to be here with everyone, I missed last week, big miss!

Jul 30, 7:32 PM

Carol Ann: We missed you too Dawn

Jul 30, 7:32 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you

Jul 30, 7:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): I think that St. Francis should have added “anger” to his list of dangerous disturbances.

Jul 30, 7:33 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) yes, Dawn. You were missed.

Jul 30, 7:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): Missed you, too, Dawn.

Jul 30, 7:33 PM

VisitationSiste: He says: if our heart be disturbed and anxious, it loses power to retain such graces as it has, as well as strength to resist the temptations of the Evil One, who is all the more ready to fish (according to an old proverb) in troubled waters.

Jul 30, 7:34 PM

Lisa C: Anger can be justified. God has anger against sin. Jesus had anger in the temple.

Jul 30, 7:34 PM

Dawn (Guest): our chat has become a good habit and all of you, good friends, Mother a spiritual guide and friend

Jul 30, 7:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good similie: that the Evil One goes fishing in troubled waters.

Jul 30, 7:35 PM

Carol Ann: ST. Francis is speaking of sinful anger I think

Jul 30, 7:36 PM

Ruth (Guest): I liked SFdS’s similie about the bird in the net, too, getting more and more entangled.

Jul 30, 7:36 PM

Dawn (Guest): I had not considered state of anxiety to be the presuror to retaining graces and then less strength. a direct line

Jul 30, 7:36 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Distress and anxiety distract us from what is truly important in our lives, our relationship with Jesus. It is hard to center our minds and hearts on Him when our minds are wrestling with problems

Jul 30, 7:36 PM

Ruth (Guest): I don’t think

Jul 30, 7:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): St Francis addresses anger here, but it, too, without being sinful in itself, CAN – muddy the waters.

Jul 30, 7:38 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Any emotion experienced to excess can muddy the waters.

Jul 30, 7:39 PM

Carol Ann: That is true.

Jul 30, 7:39 PM

VisitationSiste: He also says : Anxiety arises from an unregulated desire to be delivered from any pressing evil, or to obtain some hoped-for good.

Jul 30, 7:40 PM

Ruth (Guest): He does,

Jul 30, 7:40 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Hi guest 7276. Is it Brian?

Jul 30, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: Not waiting on God causes anxiety in me sometimes

Jul 30, 7:42 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Hi Sister Susan , Ruth , Carol Ann , Lisa , Dawn , and Judy ! God Bless You ! Brian

Jul 30, 7:42 PM

Carol Ann: Yet waiting can be so hard, even when He is trustworthy time after time

Jul 30, 7:43 PM

Lisa C: If our will is to submit to God’s will even if we are a bit afraid of the outcome, we are like Jesus in the garden. Mat 26:42 He went away again a second time and prayed, saying, “My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, Your will be done.

Jul 30, 7:43 PM

Ruth (Guest): Sister [Sorry as at 7:36-7:37 I accidentally hit the paragraph key instead of the shift] but it is encouraging to me that he urges us to pray to be relieved of these stressors that cause anxiety, etc.

Jul 30, 7:44 PM

Lisa C: This may be what StF means having our soul in our hand...giving it to God to do with as He pleases.

Jul 30, 7:44 PM

Lisa C: Trusting God

Jul 30, 7:45 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Brian!

Jul 30, 7:45 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) St. Francis speaks of having your soul in your hand. I think this means that have it under control and not in the depths of unruly love, hate, envy, lust, fear, vexation or joy. I do not recall a time of having my soul in hand. However, I am just coming out of a period of great anxiety and fear and my soul was not in my hand. But am going through it patiently, constantly invoking God for help.

Jul 30, 7:45 PM

VisitationSiste: It is a beautiful image

Jul 30, 7:46 PM

Ruth (Guest): Sometimes I think I just have to “put up with” or “deal with” or “offer up” Poverty, Sickness, Contempt. Maybe sometimes we do have to, but ONLY after first asking to be relieved of these obstacles to freely receiving his graces.

Jul 30, 7:47 PM

Lisa C: Thinking about offering difficulties for souls helps

Jul 30, 7:47 PM

Ruth (Guest): Welcome Brian!

Jul 30, 7:47 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good idea Lisa.

Jul 30, 7:47 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Brian

Jul 30, 7:48 PM

Dawn (Guest): I ask God and trust that he will heal these things in me ,and see it somewhat as a cross I am asked to bear. I do not know if that is true, but I do trust Him if I am healed or never

Jul 30, 7:48 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Off the topic. Mother, have you by any chance spoken with the webmaster about getting our chat material into a darker print? I am having trouble seeing it well.

Jul 30, 7:49 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Thank you “muchly.

Jul 30, 7:49 PM

Ruth (Guest): Judy, you seem to have a great deal of understanding of this topic, even though you found it difficult.

Jul 30, 7:50 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) thank you, Ruth. That makes me feel better!

Jul 30, 7:51 PM

Dawn (Guest): your reflections are helpful Judy, I agree with Ruth

Jul 30, 7:51 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) thank you, Dawn!

Jul 30, 7:52 PM

Ruth (Guest): Regarding how dark/light the type appears; I’ve noticed that NOT using the exit to full page – longer lines – helps a bit.

Jul 30, 7:53 PM

Dawn (Guest): also....feeling , emotions are not necessarily a good indicator of how we understand, you showed example of this

Jul 30, 7:53 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) What does that mean, Ruth?

Jul 30, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): I’ve magnified this to 200%. That also makes it a bit easier to see.

Jul 30, 7:54 PM

Dawn (Guest): the type is light and now I notice it much

Jul 30, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): And almost fills the screen.

Jul 30, 7:55 PM

VisitationSiste: keep a calm, restful spirit,!

Jul 30, 7:55 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, here in the response window the type looks black; but when it shows up up above, it becomes grey.

Jul 30, 7:56 PM

Carol Ann: Every time we feel that calm slipping we need to turn to Christ

Jul 30, 7:57 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) So true, Carol Ann!

Jul 30, 7:57 PM

Ruth (Guest): Judy, there are three icons just under the right hand corner of this blue box. If you hit the one to the extreme right, a new window pops open. I’ve found that not very useful.

Jul 30, 7:57 PM

Dawn (Guest): at that moment!

Jul 30, 7:57 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Carol Ann

Jul 30, 7:58 PM

Ruth (Guest): That is what I meant.

Jul 30, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: This I really like: See whether your soul is fully under control, or whether it has not in anywise escaped from beneath your hand, to plunge into some unruly love, hate, envy, lust, fear, vexation or joy. And if it has so strayed, before all else seek it out, and quietly bring it back to the Presence of God, once more placing all your hopes and affections under the direction of His Holy Will.

Jul 30, 7:59 PM

Ruth (Guest): Oops! Cross conversations. Yes, Sister, let’s be calm, be cool, and be collected.

Jul 30, 7:59 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Sharing such burdens with a confessor or pious person eases the burden in some way and the person is relieved at having done so. There is a saying that friendship doubles our joy and divides our grief. That is what happens in this case.

Jul 30, 8:00 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): It helps to also remember specific events that Christ has gotten us through in the past ! Elevates our Faith Immediately !

Jul 30, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, indeed.

Jul 30, 8:01 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) I think we have all had times of distress and we kept them to ourselves and they have loomed heavier and heavier on our minds and hearts. But as soon as we tell someone about it, we feel immediate relief, even if the situation itself as not changes.

Jul 30, 8:01 PM

Dawn (Guest): good reminder Brian, yes it does help

Jul 30, 8:02 PM

Ruth (Guest): While driving today, though, while listening to a “Healing Rosary” the voice was so mesmerizing that I had to pull off the road and walk about to be protected from falling asleep at the wheel!

Jul 30, 8:02 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Judy happened to me this morning st training !

Jul 30, 8:02 PM

Carol Ann: To have a trusted confidante as well as a confessor is so very necessary

Jul 30, 8:02 PM

Lisa C: Sometimes I think that only God can understand some things

Jul 30, 8:03 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): At training

Jul 30, 8:03 PM

Lisa C: Things seem too complicated

Jul 30, 8:04 PM

Carol Ann: Amen indeed!

Jul 30, 8:04 PM

Lisa C: Only God can understand everything about us, even we are not aware of everything

Jul 30, 8:04 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Remember simple childlike Faith ! Little children share from the heart ! Great lesson for us!

Jul 30, 8:04 PM

Ruth (Guest): Telling a trusted friend: That is why I still miss Sr. Charlotte so very, very much. It was so helpful to talk with her. None of the priests seem to have time.

Jul 30, 8:05 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) We can hide things from ourselves, but God sees everything about us.

Jul 30, 8:05 PM

Dawn (Guest): glad you knew realized to pull over Ruth! imagine an officer taking your statement about that was happening...

Jul 30, 8:05 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Judy !

Jul 30, 8:06 PM

VisitationSiste: Sometimes the Lord gives answers over time to our innermost questions even if we never discuss them with anyone

Jul 30, 8:07 PM

VisitationSiste: I keep trying to image soul in hand. Anne Goetze has a painting “bird in hand” I guess our soul is alive like a bird and we can converse with our own soul!

Jul 30, 8:07 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Sharing with another does not mean that a means of conquering the problem will be offered. Somehow the act of revealing the trouble seems to take some of the impact off.

Jul 30, 8:07 PM

Dawn (Guest): that happened to me, driving on open mountain highway, memorizing a scripture, I was driving to slow and was pulled over. when I explained, the officer smiled and was very kind, told me to drive the speed limit

Jul 30, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: Soul in our hand is realizing that our free will can allow us to give our soul to God or just let it rot in the world

Jul 30, 8:08 PM

Ruth (Guest): Another good observation, Judy.

Jul 30, 8:09 PM

Lisa C: All those creatures outside the castle of St. T of A

Jul 30, 8:09 PM

Dawn (Guest): that is simply it Lisa

Jul 30, 8:09 PM

Lisa C: The things trying to destroy our soul

Jul 30, 8:09 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Mother, how many times have we heard someone say that he needs to get things in hand. Meaning getting things under control. I think that having your soul in hand means the same thing-under control.

Jul 30, 8:10 PM

Ruth (Guest): Dawn. Did he explain why they call it the speed LIMIT rather than the minimum speed.

Jul 30, 8:10 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): I was taking Kairos Advanced Training really having episodes of fear about leading upcoming weekend retreat because we are temporarily short a retreat leader . Kept inside all weekend . After mass this morning I finally was able share . What a help !

Jul 30, 8:10 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes great thought Judy

Jul 30, 8:11 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (JUdy) Good for you, Brian!

Jul 30, 8:11 PM

Ruth (Guest): And yet another, Judy. That’s the way I understand it, too. Like having a matter under control. Having one’s SELF under control.

Jul 30, 8:12 PM

Dawn (Guest): no, he first said...I thought you were a very old person driving to slow and you kept going to the right...I had written the scripture in big letters on paper so I could glance at it, I showed him. I did not realize the distraction!

Jul 30, 8:12 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Totally irrational fear that I should not have waited so long to share ! Thank You Jesus for our friends who we can share with!

Jul 30, 8:13 PM

Carol Ann: Amen!

Jul 30, 8:13 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you Lisa <3

Jul 30, 8:14 PM

Lisa C: Some things we cannot say in words they just happen between God and us

Jul 30, 8:14 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Thank You Lisa!

Jul 30, 8:15 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes and this I can share Lisa but I may not make myself clear

Jul 30, 8:15 PM

Ruth (Guest): I once, literally had a pet finch in my hand. Taking this too literally might have dire consequences. The poor little bird had gotten itself all tangled up in some wool yarn I’d made available to it as nesting material. I found it hanging upside down from the nesting box by one leg tangled in the yarn. I tried, very gently, to release it. I don’t know if I scared the poor little bird to death or just held it too tightly; it died in my hand. Not the way to hold one’s own soul in the hand! I’d rather

Jul 30, 8:16 PM

Dawn (Guest): Truly, He is , the Holy Spirit is our counselor who reminds us of everything He has said. and listens.

Jul 30, 8:16 PM

Ruth (Guest): offer it to the Lord. If I die in His hand; that’s OK.

Jul 30, 8:16 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Spent weekend at Christ the King Seminary East Aurora. Have not been there in 40 years ! What a beautiful place !

Jul 30, 8:17 PM

VisitationSiste: I was in Rockville VA Fri and knew I could not get back to NY without filling up on gasoline But I never do self serve so I was nervous about ot. Well before I left the Monastery a Sister asks can I fill up ther tank for you? I said are you going to go to the gas station with me? She said, no we have a gas tank rifght on the Monastery property! That is God’s delicate touch- for me, even tho I had some anxiety!

Jul 30, 8:17 PM

Carol Ann: Oh Ruth, I am so sorry

Jul 30, 8:18 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Ruth, that must have been a rather shattering experience.

Jul 30, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): Glad you had a good weekend, Brian.

Jul 30, 8:19 PM

Ruth (Guest): Sister, I love your story. Sometimes the Lord has such gentleness toward us, and usually through kind, thoughtful PEOPLE.

Jul 30, 8:19 PM

Carol Ann: What a lucky break, Sr.!

Jul 30, 8:19 PM

Lisa C: Yes, Mother, God was being very attentive to you

Jul 30, 8:20 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Thanks Ruth ! You all are such awesome prayer warriors !!!

Jul 30, 8:20 PM

Dawn (Guest): Sister, those little experiences remind us we are never alone!

Jul 30, 8:20 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) touching the last question. St. Francis, in placing this chapter after the 8 on temptation is giving us insight on just how temptation is fostered and strengthened by distress and disturbances during which we experience a lack of control over our soul.

Jul 30, 8:21 PM

Lisa C: I was talking more about how some things we cannot even understand and that God understands and touches us and we know He is doing it and it is overwhelming

Jul 30, 8:21 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carol Ann, I hope your realize I was still writing about the finch 8:15 and 8:16 – comparing the bird in hand to the soul in hand .

Jul 30, 8:21 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Lisa !!!

Jul 30, 8:22 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) this makes it easier for the temptation to overcome us. But, here the SAint tells us how to seek out our soul and bring it back to the Presence of God and His Holy Will.

Jul 30, 8:22 PM

Carol Ann: I do Ruth, and it is a powerful lesson

Jul 30, 8:22 PM

Dawn (Guest): Lisa, yes. and in those moments can come the gift of tears I think

Jul 30, 8:22 PM

Lisa C: Yes Dawn

Jul 30, 8:23 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) In the story of your bird, Ruth, we are taught that as we seek to gain control over our soul, we need to be careful not to crush it in the process.

Jul 30, 8:23 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Dawn !!!

Jul 30, 8:24 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ruth, the finch story...my first thought was grasping, when we begin to grasp

Jul 30, 8:24 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Judy !!!

Jul 30, 8:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): It was very sad to lose my precious little pet. Even my cat, had befriended her, could be found when I got home from work cu curled up resting against the bird cage. I think that this experience teaches me, at least in part, that to have my “soul in hand” I need to have it in God’s hand.

Jul 30, 8:24 PM

Lisa C: Ruth, finches are so delicate

Jul 30, 8:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): whether I live or die.

Jul 30, 8:25 PM

VisitationSiste: Thanks for sharing this experience Ruth

Jul 30, 8:25 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) And souls are delicate too. So while we are seeking to have our soul in our hand, we cannot hold on too tightly or we might kill the sould.

Jul 30, 8:26 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Soul.

Jul 30, 8:27 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) I think that we all need to remember that no matter what is going on in our lives, that God always holds us in His hand.

Jul 30, 8:27 PM

VisitationSiste: Meaning- not too much control?

Jul 30, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Beautiful- in God’s hands

Jul 30, 8:28 PM

Dawn (Guest): reading thru everyones posts I see understanding even simple daily events in the supernatural, the spiritua;l.....praiseing Jesus for all he has done for us!

Jul 30, 8:29 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Had too transport a friends beloved birds to new home last week ! Soo hard for her to say goodbye ! She knew she could no longer care for them ! Janet and my sister in law Ann find perfect home ! She was Soo relieved very difficult but great act of Love to ask for new home for beloved pets !

Jul 30, 8:29 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Enough control to handle the situation but not so much as to squelch the soul’s natural responsiveness.

Jul 30, 8:29 PM

VisitationSiste: very well said!

Jul 30, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: the freedom we have- free will- free response

Jul 30, 8:30 PM

Dawn (Guest): beautiful words

Jul 30, 8:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, in God’s hands always, come what may. The poor little bird was squirming too much; I must be careful to not try TOO hard to extirpate myself from a difficult situation.

Jul 30, 8:30 PM

Carol Ann: As always, we must have balance, and Christ is the fulcrum upon which we swing back and forth

Jul 30, 8:31 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): Judy) I recall a song of Glen Campbell’s some years ago called the Gambler. You’ve got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run. The same could be said for these situations.

Jul 30, 8:31 PM

Lisa C: When I see rays coming out of the clouds I always think they are the rays coming from Blessed Mother’s hands to show us to heaven

Jul 30, 8:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): as was said, remaining calm allows us to respond to Gods will not our own

Jul 30, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Also a great expression- fulcrum

Jul 30, 8:31 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Imagine Mary when she held Jesus when He was taken down from the Cross !!!

Jul 30, 8:31 PM

Ruth (Guest): I CAN avoid trying TOO hard if I TRUST sufficiently.

Jul 30, 8:32 PM

VisitationSiste: a great and beautifully expressed conversation- all around!

Jul 30, 8:33 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Dawn and Ruth !!!

Jul 30, 8:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): Such a poignant scene, Brian! And His Mother is Our Mother, too.

Jul 30, 8:33 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Lisa. my very first childhood friend and I used to call those rays “Holy Ghost Rays.

Jul 30, 8:33 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Amen Ruth !!!

Jul 30, 8:34 PM

Lisa C: Sweet Judy

Jul 30, 8:34 PM

VisitationSiste: May these rays protect your souls all week!

Jul 30, 8:34 PM

VisitationSiste: God bless!

Jul 30, 8:34 PM

Dawn (Guest): Brian, a friend coming to you in time to hear you...your prayer maybe silent, I think God hears our heart and our cries. Im happy you could talk about it!

Jul 30, 8:34 PM

Carol Ann: God bless you too, Sr. And thank you

Jul 30, 8:35 PM

Guest7276 (Guest): Soo nice to be back together with you all ! Many prayers for everyone ! God Bless You All ! Brian

Jul 30, 8:35 PM

Lisa C: God be praised!

Jul 30, 8:35 PM

Guest9709 (Guest): (Judy) Let us strive to always have our souls in our hands, and to be ever aware that God is with us at every minute of the day and through every trial. Have a blessed weel!

Jul 30, 8:36 PM

Carol Ann: Blessed week everyone !

Jul 30, 8:36 PM

Ruth (Guest): Such tender Love! And yet – sometimes – she does not avert the “evil” (the crucifixion) but even then she is CARING for us, LOVING us, and drawing us closer to her SON.

Jul 30, 8:38 PM

Dawn (Guest): A beautiful imagine...rays coming from our Mother! Thank you everyone, Sister, God Bless and thanking our Lord for this gathering.

Jul 30, 8:42 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ruth, you are here still. thank you for sharing ! have a blessed week and be safe when driving! .....

Jul 30, 8:43 PM

Dawn (Guest): good’night

Jul 30, 8:43 PM

Ruth (Guest): I feel a whole lot happier, and calmer after this chat than I did when I came to it. So good to share with friends!

Jul 30, 8:44 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thank you, Dawn. Blessing to all!

Salesian Successors in Switzerland

The Visitation Monastery of Solothurn closed.. The monastic life in the monastery is now carried on by an Indian sisters’ community.

372 years ago the first sisters of the Visitation moved into Solothurn. The Sisters of the Sisters of Sacred Sciences (SSS), which is  from India, will be given the “key” from the last Visitandine Sister Marie-Dominique Bucher,  This is the end of the era of the Visitation sisters in Solothurn.

In 1610 the Order of Visitation Ste. Marie “(Visitation of Mary)was founded  by Francis deSales and Jane Frances de Chantal in Annecy. Shortly afterwards, the two only Visitation monasteries based in Switzerland were founded: 1635 in Freiburg and 1645 in Solothurn. After the first monastery building located in the Obachquartier had been demolished because of the construction of the castle, the sisters in 1679 moved into the present monastery on Grenchenstrasse.

In 2007, the sisters’ congregation handed over the monastic buildings and monastic buildings, which had been completely renovated, to the Episcopal Association Basilea, which manages the diocesan properties. “We took this step to preserve the Baroque Bijou for the city and the canton, and to free a subsequent sisters’ community of the property,” explains Sr Marie-Dominique, who presented this project together with the deceased predecessors Marie-Jacqueline and Marguerite-Marie Has.

The 82-year-old Visitandine was still in office until the end of the month of May. She is the only  sister in the Visitation at this monastery; Sisters Marie-Hélène and Marie-Pascale are staying in Elisabethenheim on the Bleichenberg. With the handing over of the key, she will give the responsibility to the Indian Sisters and she is happy that the monastic life will continue as a semi-contemplative homeland of a religious order.

Markus Thürig said, “The Sisters of Sacred Sciences live their vocation in contemplation and in their apostolate, the religious instruction of adults, and the accompaniment of spiritual retreats. I hope that this Sisters’ Community can keep the Salesian spirit alive in the Solothurn region. This would be an appreciative continuation of what the Visitation have lived here for centuries. ”

SSS Generaloberst Sister Siji has been living in the monastery of the Visitation since 2003 and studied theology in Friborg. She is looking forward to the new task: “There will be little change to the outside world. We advocate that the spiritual place be preserved. As before, we offer Eucharistic celebrations, retreats, reflection, daily worship and educational programs. Our mission is to be responsible for the monastery and religious life. Just as we are told by Francis de Sales, “Bloom where you are planted.”

The Order of the Sisters of Sacred Sciences (SSS) was founded in 1997 by Salesian Antony Kolencherry. He has also been living in Solothurn since 2003, is a pastor in Lommiswil and active as a spiritual advisor in the monastery. Father Antony: “The spirituality of Saint Francis de Sales is our common heritage and has brought us together. This legacy must be preserved. The spirit of the founder is continued according to the charism of the SSS religious community. ”

Many believers in the region appreciate the young community, Vice-President Erwin Angehrn: “In addition to the support of the local sisters, we have always been committed to a” good future “of the SSS in the monastery. Now the sisters’ community must increasingly assume responsibility for the sustainable development of their lives.  “One of the goals  was to preserve the monastery as a spiritual place of encounter. Father Antony confirms this: “The Visitation should continue to be an oasis of silence, meditation and prayer. ”

He hopes that young Swiss women will enter the Order and live Salesian spirituality. This coincides with the hopes of Sister Marie-Dominique, : “The service is public. We have not invited anyone, but we welcome everyone who is connected to us. »

Source: https://www.solothurnerzeitung.ch/solothurn/stadt-solothurn/die-letzte-visitantin-uebergibt-den-schluessel-an-indische-schwestern-131359896#