Our Lady is called “Co-Redemptrix,” meaning “one with the redeemer” or “redeemer with.” This means she plays a powerful role in God’s plan for redemption. Based on the reflection, how can we see Mary as “Co-Redemptrix” in her visit to Elizabeth, which caused John the Baptist’s sanctification? Jesus tell us: “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matthew 6:
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How can we connect that with this reflection?
The Jubilee Year of Mercy slogan is: Misericordes Sicut Pater, “Merciful Like the Father,” which is based on Luke 6:36. How can we be merciful like Our Heavenly Father?
What can the parable of the prodigal son teach us about all of this?
Dec 9 2015, 12:12 PM
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GuestJ (guest): Hi, Nice to meet you
Dec 13 2015, 7:30 PM
VisitationSiste: you too! Does this topic help to understand the Visitation at all
Dec 13 2015, 7:31 PM
Lisa C: I wonder if it has a closer relationship to the original founding of the order when it was not cloistered
Dec 13 2015, 7:31 PM
GuestJ (guest): Sister, I have email UK, but no reply from them …
Dec 13 2015, 7:31 PM
VisitationSiste: Mercy you mean and visiting
Dec 13 2015, 7:32 PM
Lisa C: Yes, well Blessed Mother was not confined
Dec 13 2015, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: If you want Jennifer I can write them too and say you are chatting with us
Dec 13 2015, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes Lisa very true
Dec 13 2015, 7:32 PM
GuestJ (guest): Yes, please.
Dec 13 2015, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: But mercy can be shown to students
Dec 13 2015, 7:32 PM
Lisa C: Of course Mother
Dec 13 2015, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: I’ll do that Jennifer. But see if you can get a spiritual director or Bishop to write you a letter of reference
Dec 13 2015, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: With this mystery of the Visitation, we see how Mary’s silent, recollected and contemplative life and her condition as a servant totally consecrated to God do not in any way conflict with the generosity and impetuosity of her fraternal and merciful love.”
And thus it can be
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VisitationSiste: In the Visittaion mercy needs to be shown to each Sister too
Dec 13 2015, 7:35 PM
Lisa C: I mean Blessed Mother went to see Elizabeth and in The Life of Mary as Seen by the Mystics, Blessed Mother did stay home and pray almost constantly, but she also visited the poor and sick and helped them whenever she had anything to give away
Dec 13 2015, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: Living together closely means we need to be merciful even with small things
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VisitationSiste: Charity burns Mary’s heart and asks her to change all her bonds with the human community into bonds of mercy –
Dec 13 2015, 7:39 PM
VisitationSiste: So we can follow the Blessed Mother in whatever style of life we have
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ec 13 2015, 7:39 PM
Lisa C: I love one of the hymns we used to sing at the May Crowning……Mary like in every action, Mary like in mind and heart
Dec 13 2015, 7:40 PM
VisitationSiste: Beautiful and not a metaphor but reality
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VisitationSiste: Are you familiar with Mary as co-redemptrix
Dec 13 2015, 7:42 PM
Ruth (guest): Hi Lisa, and Dawn and Sister (Susan Marie?) Hello Jennifer.
Dec 13 2015, 7:42 PM
Lisa C: http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/prayers/marylikeness.html
Dec 13 2015, 7:42 PM
GuestJ (guest): “Unless you are willing to do the ridiculous, God will not do the miraculous.”
Dec 13 2015, 7:42 PM
VisitationSiste: Thanks Lisa!
Dec 13 2015, 7:43 PM
Ruth (guest): Glad to be able to be back with all of you.
Dec 13 2015, 7:43 PM
GuestJ (guest): Hi Ruth
Dec 13 2015, 7:45 PM
VisitationSiste: how can we see Mary as “Co-Redemptrix” in her visit to Elizabeth, which caused John the Baptist’s sanctification?
Dec 13 2015, 7:45 PM
Ruth (guest): Co-Redemptorist: Isn’t that about Mary’s total connection with through birthing and prayer and suffering with her Son?
Dec 13 2015, 7:45 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes I think so Ruth
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Lisa C: St. JPII wrote a lot about her role as Co-Redemptorist and Mediatrix of all graces
esus lets her help with our salvation
Dec 13 2015, 7:47 PM
Ruth (guest): I felt her presence — often — as I tried to serve patients — so many, so serious needs, and she was there caring.
Dec 13 2015, 7:47 PM
Lisa C: She said yes to the Angel Gabriel and then at Canna she saw the need of people and asked Jesus to intervene and she still does that
Dec 13 2015, 7:48 PM
Dawn L: Mary always cooperating with God’s will, along with her son, for our good and our salvation
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Lisa C: God had to make her perfect to hold Jesus and to be the source of His human body :49 PM
Lisa C: She was saved before the crucifixion, but she was still saved by God
Dec 13 2015, 7:49 PM
GuestJ (guest): She lead people to her son
Dec 13 2015, 7:49 PM
Ruth (guest): There are so many things that have become a bit easier for me since my Consecration to Jesus through Mary. I am so grateful.
Dec 13 2015, 7:49 PM
Lisa C: I noticed that when things are very bad I pray through her more
Dec 13 2015, 7:50 PM
VisitationSiste: When Mary went to see Elizabeth she was carrying her Son within so together united so closely it was as if they were one in grace
Dec 13 2015, 7:50 PM
Lisa C: People call their Mother when they are upset
Dec 13 2015, 7:51 PM
VisitationSiste: and Mary answers right away
Dec 13 2015, 7:51 PM
Ruth (guest): A Hail Mary can, indeed, change the whole tone . . . I guess it is a little like when a very peaceful or innocent person is in the room, people just behave better.
Dec 13 2015, 7:51 PM
Dawn L: this is beautiful meditation Mother
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GuestJ (guest): Yes, our mother is always there for us. 7:53 PM
Ruth (guest): My biological mother was not, but THIS newer mother, Mary IS. She can even pick up the pieces of something I ruin and make something good out of it.
Dec 13 2015, 7:53 PM
VisitationSiste: I was struck forcefully by alot of what he said
GuestJ (guest): Fr Phillippe, Dominican. I will try to google and read about him and what he has said.
Dec 13 2015, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: “Mercy is exercised with fidelity, with humility, gentle and discreet- otherwise one hurts the poor by making them too acutely aware of their destitution. The poor are fragile and vulnerable; they need to be treated with extreme gentleness.” –
Dec 13 2015, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: That made me think of our Sisters in MN
Dec 13 2015, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: Who work with the poor
Dec 13 2015, 7:56 PM
Lisa C: Mother it makes me also think of the Sisters who get upset when you try to help them
Dec 13 2015, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: Jennifer here it is http://visitationspirit.org/2015/12/a-visitandine-perspective-on-the-year-of-mercy/
A Visitandine Perspective on the Year of Mercy | Visitation Spirit
Dec 13 2015, 7:56 PM
Ruth (guest): Because they have an active ministry as well?
Dec 13 2015, 7:56 PM
GuestJ (guest): Thank you, sister
Dec 13 2015, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes Lisa to be so delicate with everyone who is vulverable
Dec 13 2015, 7:58 PM
VisitationSiste: Gentleness and humility- the cornerstone virtues of the Visitation Order’s charism- we need look no further- but we do need to practice them. The poor are not the only fragile and vulnerable persons around; we all are. We need only continue to live out our charism as we encounter one another- and apologize when we don’t.
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Dec 13 2015, 7:58 PM
Ruth (guest): One problem I have with that is to recognize that even the powerful or arrogant are so BECAUSE of an extreme vulnerability with which they are not in touch.
Dec 13 2015, 7:59 PM
Lisa C: Those virtues are also just the right ones for a Doctor to have with patients
Dec 13 2015, 7:59 PM
GuestJ (guest): And there are people who are call the new poor.
Dec 13 2015, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: Interesing Ruth
Dec 13 2015, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: Can you explain that Jennifer
Dec 13 2015, 8:01 PM
GuestJ (guest): They are not poor in terms of material / money. They are the lonely, the elderly, the sick physically or … and they have nobody to even to talk to
Dec 13 2015, 8:02 PM
GuestJ (guest): I think our pope ever mention about this
Dec 13 2015, 8:03 PM
Dawn L: I think so, Jennifer, about Pope Francis saying
Dec 13 2015, 8:03 PM
Dec 13 2015, 8:03 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes I am having trouble here
Dec 13 2015, 8:05 PM
VisitationSiste: I may not be able to save this chat to post it.
Dec 13 2015, 8:05 PM
GuestJ (guest): I have to go for work soon. office starts at 9am and is 9:04 and I am still at home.
Dec 13 2015, 8:05 PM
VisitationSiste: Thanks for joining and keep in touch!
Dec 13 2015, 8:05 PM
VisitationSiste: We will pray for your discernment
Dec 13 2015, 8:06 PM
Dawn L: nice chatting, Jennifer
Dec 13 2015, 8:06 PM
GuestJ (guest): Yes, I enjoy being here. So much to learn. I like it
Dec 13 2015, 8:06 PM
GuestJ (guest): Thank you for your pray.
Dec 13 2015, 8:06 PM
VisitationSiste: Great! Come back next Sunday/Monday
Dec 13 2015, 8:07 PM
GuestJ (guest): I am the boss of an accounting firm. so it’s ok to be late,
Dec 13 2015, 8:07 PM
VisitationSiste: That’s wonderful!
Dec 13 2015, 8:07 PM
GuestJ (guest): Not leaving now, but soon.
Dec 13 2015, 8:07 PM
VisitationSiste: If not ok
Dec 13 2015, 8:08 PM
Ruth (guest): Are you on the other side of the globe Jennifer. And do you mean Divine Office? Or your office employment? All the best, Jennifer! God bless you!
Dec 13 2015, 8:08 PM
Lisa C: Mother, it only goes back about 20 lines
Dec 13 2015, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: Jennifer is in Singapore
Dec 13 2015, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: Take what you can if possible
Dec 13 2015, 8:08 PM
Lisa C: I saved that and will keep saving
Dec 13 2015, 8:08 PM
Ruth (guest): Ah ha! Amazing isn’t it?
Dec 13 2015, 8:09 PM
VisitationSiste: My computer locked out on the Word doc and I can’t save it
Dec 13 2015, 8:09 PM
VisitationSiste: Love this nternational chat! Let’s all pray for Jennifer that she can follow God’s Will
Dec 13 2015, 8:10 PM
Ruth (guest): Yes!
Dec 13 2015, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: What else can we learn from the topics of mercy and Visitation I wonder
Dec 13 2015, 8:11 PM
VisitationSiste: The questions moved into the Prodigal Son and the Heavenly Father but I can’t access them now
Dec 13 2015, 8:11 PM
Dawn L: such as the second question about forgivness and how we can connect with the (written) reflection?
Dec 13 2015, 8:11 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes dawn
Dec 13 2015, 8:11 PM
VisitationSiste: Dawn
Dec 13 2015, 8:12 PM
VisitationSiste: Can you psy the 2nd question
Dec 13 2015, 8:12 PM
VisitationSiste: post
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Dec 13 2015, 8:19 PM
Lisa C: You might have to pray and adjust your mind
Dec 13 2015, 8:20 PM
Ruth (guest): Boss had his wife, the business manager, reply that it could lead to a law suite! The answer was, plainly No! But the patient did come to be more peaceful about her situation. . . And her boy even asked his mother “Was I baptised?”
Dec 13 2015, 8:20 PM
VisitationSiste: So some good results
Dec 13 2015, 8:20 PM
Lisa C: I have been praying for her. I have been worried about her
Dec 13 2015, 8:20 PM
VisitationSiste: That must be the Holy Spirit talking to you
Dec 13 2015, 8:21 PM
Dawn L: thank you , she spoke of this last week. prayers for her sister
Dec 13 2015, 8:21 PM
Lisa C: I wonder if she needs to be closely watched.
Dec 13 2015, 8:21 PM
VisitationSiste: I think so and now her husband died suddently this past week
Dec 13 2015, 8:21 PM
VisitationSiste: Sr mite still be with her now
Dec 13 2015, 8:22 PM
Lisa C: I am thinking she should be hospitalized
Dec 13 2015, 8:22 PM
VisitationSiste: For protection yes’ and help
Dec 13 2015, 8:23 PM
Lisa C: That kind of talk is depression
Dec 13 2015, 8:23 PM
VisitationSiste: Depression is often anger turned inward they say- right Ruth
Dec 13 2015, 8:23 PM
Ruth (guest): So sorry. You must know more about the situation
Dec 13 2015, 8:23 PM
VisitationSiste: So Our Heavenly father forgives depression too
Dec 13 2015, 8:24 PM
Dawn L: Mother, in the past wouldnt sisters in a convent take someone in and care for them, pray and love them until crisis over?
Dec 13 2015, 8:24 PM
Lisa C: I do not think depression is a sin. It is an illness
Dec 13 2015, 8:24 PM
Ruth (guest): Yes, I often say that anger and depression are flip sides of the same coin.
Dec 13 2015, 8:24 PM
VisitationSiste: In fact maybe the elder brother in that parable was depressed
Dec 13 2015, 8:24 PM
VisitationSiste: God forgives everything
Dec 13 2015, 8:24 PM
VisitationSiste: We have to work at it
Dec 13 2015, 8:25 PM
Dawn L: His mercy endures forever
Dec 13 2015, 8:25 PM
VisitationSiste: In the past when there were young and healthy Sisters not a convent mostly of elderly
Dec 13 2015, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: That was for Dawn’s question
Dec 13 2015, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: Could anger be an illness too if depression is
Dec 13 2015, 8:26 PM
Lisa C: Anger is an emotion
Dec 13 2015, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: But its opposite is an illness?
Dec 13 2015, 8:27 PM
Lisa C: depression is not really an opposite of anger…depression is a disorder of mood
Dec 13 2015, 8:28 PM
VisitationSiste: Are moods and emotions related?
Dec 13 2015, 8:28 PM
Dawn L: the 3rd question is hard….how can we be merciful like our Heavenly Father? we can try to immitate Jesus and Mary and learn from them
Dec 13 2015, 8:28 PM
Ruth (guest): Probably the anger has to have been “held onto” for a time to become depression or the depression has to go unacknowledged.
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
VisitationSiste: 3rd question- if Jesus lives in us we can let him do as His Heavenly Father does- but it takes alot of openness
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Ruth (guest): Good questions, Sister.
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Lisa C: It can be a reaction to a situation in which case it is just a reactive depression or it can be just a chemical imbalance bi polar or unipolar.
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Dawn L:
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Lisa C: It is very complicated….
Dec 13 2015, 8:30 PM
Lisa C: Its not always due to anger turned inward
Dec 13 2015, 8:30 PM
Lisa C: probably rarely so
Dec 13 2015, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: But letting Jesus live in us is the goal of Christian life
Dec 13 2015, 8:31 PM
Lisa C: I was talking about depression not Jesus sorry
Dec 13 2015, 8:31 PM
VisitationSiste: Jennifer left- she had e mailed me about a vocation- it is so hard to accept non citizens today so much paperwork for sponsorhip
Dec 13 2015, 8:32 PM
Ruth (guest): Sadness is an emotion. Depression is not just an emotion, as such, but charachterized by certain emotions and changes in behavior.
Dec 13 2015, 8:32 PM
VisitationSiste: it is a huge responsibility- we have done it 2 or 3 times befoe it got so complicated
Dec 13 2015, 8:32 PM
Lisa C: I just realized I missed some of the chat to save
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Dec 13 2015, 8:25 PM
VisitationSiste: In the past when there were young and healthy Sisters not a convent mostly of elderly
VisitationSiste: But its opposite is an illness?
Dec 13 2015, 8:28 PM
Ruth (guest): Probably the anger has to have been “held onto” for a time to become depression or the depression has to go unacknowledged.
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
VisitationSiste: 3rd question- if Jesus lives in us we can let him do as His Heavenly Father does- but it takes alot of openness
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Ruth (guest): Good questions, Sister.
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Lisa C: It can be a reaction to a situation in which case it is just a reactive depression or it can be just a chemical imbalance bi polar or unipolar.
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Dawn L:
Dec 13 2015, 8:29 PM
Lisa C: It is very complicated….
Dec 13 2015, 8:30 PM
Lisa C: Its not always due to anger turned inward
Dec 13 2015, 8:30 PM
Lisa C: probably rarely so
Dec 13 2015, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: But letting Jesus live in us is the goal of Christian life
Dec 13 2015, 8:31 PM
Lisa C: I was talking about depression not Jesus sorry
Dec 13 2015, 8:31 PM
VisitationSiste: Jennifer left- she had e mailed me about a vocation- it is so hard to accept non citizens today so much paperwork for sponsorhip
Dec 13 2015, 8:32 PM
Ruth (guest): Sadness is an emotion. Depression is not just an emotion, as such, but charachterized by certain emotions and changes in behavior.
Dec 13 2015, 8:32 PM
VisitationSiste: it is a huge responsibility- we have done it 2 or 3 times befoe it got so complicated
Dec 13 2015, 8:32 PM
Lisa C: I just realized I missed some of the chat to save
Dec 13 2015, 8:33 PM
VisitationSiste: that is ok just e mail me what you have- I had the beginning but the word locked aqnd is still locked
Dec 13 2015, 8:33 PM
Dawn L: Im sorry everyone, I took turn in chat from the conversation
Dec 13 2015, 8:33 PM
VisitationSiste: we are all over the place but that’s ok
Dec 13 2015, 8:34 PM
VisitationSiste: question- do you think there would ever be a value in all the chatters meeting for a weekend someplace if we got sponsorship to travel
Dec 13 2015, 8:34 PM
Lisa C: I think we should meet there if possible
Dec 13 2015, 8:34 PM
Ruth (guest): I think that that would be very good.
Dec 13 2015, 8:34 PM
Dawn L: the value I see is in personaly
Dec 13 2015, 8:35 PM
Dawn L: personally meeting one another
Dec 13 2015, 8:35 PM
VisitationSiste: if we had an program for a few days and yes in getting to know one another
Dec 13 2015, 8:35 PM
VisitationSiste: someplace central for us
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
Dawn L: its incomplete kind of just knowing someone online
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
Ruth (guest): I find that e-mail is more often mis-read than face-to-face talk.
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
VisitationSiste: I am thinking if the Federation could sponsor it mite be something to consider we could chat about an agenda sometime
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
VisitationSiste: or a prayer weekend together and one topic- or a retreat
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
VisitationSiste: the Holy Spirit could lead
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
Lisa C: I wish it could be at your monastery
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
Dawn L: wonderful idea
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
Ruth (guest): I like the idea. Soooo much has happened in the last 8-9 weeks . . .
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
VisitationSiste: it could but its not central ad we can only take 4 people
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
VisitationSiste: only 4 retreqat rooms or maybe 5 with the priests room
Dec 13 2015, 8:38 PM
VisitationSiste: maybe that’s all who could come and Sr Roberta could have a nun’s room
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
Ruth (guest): I find that e-mail is more often mis-read than face-to-face talk.
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
VisitationSiste: I am thinking if the Federation could sponsor it mite be something to consider we could chat about an agenda sometime
Dec 13 2015, 8:36 PM
VisitationSiste: or a prayer weekend together and one topic- or a retreat
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
VisitationSiste: the Holy Spirit could lead
Lisa C: I wish it could be at your monastery
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
Dawn L: wonderful idea
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
Ruth (guest): I like the idea. Soooo much has happened in the last 8-9 weeks . . .
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
VisitationSiste: it could but its not central ad we can only take 4 people
Dec 13 2015, 8:37 PM
VisitationSiste: only 4 retreqat rooms or maybe 5 with the priests room
Dec 13 2015, 8:38 PM
VisitationSiste: maybe that’s all who could come and Sr Roberta could have a nun’s room
Dec 13 2015, 8:38 PM
VisitationSiste: Let’s think about it more and see if we can talk a little more next week I think it could be very good
Dec 13 2015, 8:39 PM
VisitationSiste: Well it is overtime and I need to goHappy 3rd week of advent!
Dec 13 2015, 8:39 PM
Dawn L: thank you Mother for taking time from your retreat to be here
Dec 13 2015, 8:39 PM
Ruth (guest): What about the school? If sisters still own it; I could bring 4 or 5 air mattresses. I’ve often been on retreats where the accommodations were very make-shift.
Dec 13 2015, 8:40 PM
VisitationSiste: All ideas are welcome!
ec 13 2015, 8:40 PM
VisitationSiste: God bless!