In your opinion, which of the two would love God more: 1) the one born blind, who might know all the discourses that philosophers make of it and the praises they give it, or 2) the farmer, who by a clear sight feels and realizes the agreeable splendor of the rising sun? If knowledge and learning are good qualities, why do they often obscure the love of God? If the “clever and learned men” have difficulty abounding in devotion, what can such people to do attain that love? What can help us to gro

Mar 22, 8:35 AM

Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): 4. What can help us to grow in contemplative prayer?

 

 

Mar 25, 7:32 PM

Jane (Guest): Hi Mother & all- Happy Palm Sunday everyone. Such a powerful week ahead,

Mar 25, 7:33 PM

Carroll (Guest): Hi everybody-

Mar 25, 7:33 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Yes Our schedule is on our website if you want to be here for the Holy Triduum

Mar 25, 7:34 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Hi Carroll

Mar 25, 7:35 PM

Judy (Guest): Well, I’m ready to jump on with question 1. It would be more likely, I think, for the farmet to love God more that the blind man. jAlthough he may know the discourses of the philosphers, such discourses might not lead him to God, but rather, away from Him. depending upon the subject of the discourse. the farmer, on the other hand, has knowledge of the splendor of the rising sun, shich can easily move him to thoughts of the Creatos and then to loving Him in return for gifts like the sunrise.

Mar 25, 7:36 PM

SrSusan (Guest): What bothered me about the comparison is nobody could know w ho loves Godmore, really but I know the point is trying to emphasize that devotion and head knowledge are different approaches to God

Mar 25, 7:39 PM

Judy (Guest): The other difference lies in the subject matter of the knowledge. Is the subject matter something than can lead to thoughts and reflections on God.

Mar 25, 7:39 PM

Jane (Guest): Why is it that well educated persons question God’s existence and power?

Mar 25, 7:39 PM

Jane (Guest): Is it their egos?

Mar 25, 7:40 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Perhaps exercising their minds too much without paying attention to the heart

Mar 25, 7:41 PM

Judy (Guest): Again, it may be the matters in which they are well educated.

Mar 25, 7:42 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Ego can get to be a problem too also pride which is related

Mar 25, 7:42 PM

Judy (Guest): I think that certain philosophies can as easily lead one to reject God, as to help them to find Him.

Mar 25, 7:42 PM

SrSusan (Guest): But even in basic religious education of children even we tended to put emphasis on learning not loving untilmore recent times

Mar 25, 7:43 PM

Carroll (Guest): Maybe study becomes a way for some people to busy themselves so much that it actually becomes a distraction from holy silence...

Mar 25, 7:43 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Hmm yes

Mar 25, 7:44 PM

Judy (Guest): Yes, in my early religious education days, we too were learning with a basis in memorization. But somehow, the concept of loving God was transmitted also.

Mar 25, 7:45 PM

Ruth (Guest): During the almost two years that I attended a Catholic school, one religion teacher gave everyone in the class, as a grade,S” and she said it was for “swell.

Mar 25, 7:47 PM

SrSusan (Guest): We do not want to downplay learning because then people do not lerarn the faith the combo that Judy mentioned is best

Mar 25, 7:47 PM

Judy (Guest): Perhaps in learning that time honored response to the Baltimore Catechism question, why did God make you-God made me to know Him, to love Him to serve Him in this life and to be happy with Him in the life to come. The catechism tells that one of our purposes is to love God.

Mar 25, 7:48 PM

SrSusan (Guest): True- that Catechism taught us somuch that stays within

Mar 25, 7:50 PM

Judy (Guest): E.G Who is God? God is the Supreme Being Who made all things and Who keeps them in existence. I am amazed at how much I remember from those early day.

Mar 25, 7:50 PM

Ruth (Guest): I sure wouldn’t want to be in the position of having to judge anyone on their progress in Faith. Only God knows! And isn’t it a gift from God, anyway? And don’t some people have huge obstacles to overcome and others just have a sort of spontaneous, natural, trust with which they can seem to start their Faith journey.

Mar 25, 7:50 PM

Dawn (Guest): Jesus commanded us to love God with everything, and to love one another

Mar 25, 7:50 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Just this morning at Mass the priest asked for the Baltimore C definition of a sacrament re matter and form

Mar 25, 7:51 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Yes Ruth Faith is a gift and there is such mystery to each person’s soul

Mar 25, 7:51 PM

Judy (Guest): A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.

Mar 25, 7:51 PM

SrSusan (Guest): You do remember a lot!

Mar 25, 7:52 PM

Judy (Guest): I guess the Sisters who taught me in elementary school did a good job.

Mar 25, 7:53 PM

Ruth (Guest): I credit my very LIFE to the Baltimore Catechism – what I memorized even without any understanding, because it was simply there when I most needed it.

Mar 25, 7:53 PM

Carroll (Guest): I am grateful God has given me the grace to “taste” how the extremes of either (uninformed and immature) contemplation or relentlessly striving to acquire knowledge in order to grow closer to God are potential paths to trouble... I guess that’s why faith + reason, together, are so important...

Mar 25, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good observation, Carroll.

Mar 25, 7:55 PM

Dawn (Guest): I have never read the Baltimore C....thank you all for referring to it

Mar 25, 7:56 PM

Carroll (Guest): I haven’t either, Dawn, but it is on my reading list now, too!

Mar 25, 7:56 PM

Dawn (Guest): yes!

Mar 25, 7:56 PM

SrSusan (Guest): It is surely on line and very basic Cannot go wrong with it at all

Mar 25, 7:57 PM

Judy (Guest): A good introduction to the second question-Knowledge and learning can obscure the love of God when they are focused wholly on worldly matters and perhpas geared toward the attainment of wealth or material goods. E.G someone who has learned a great deal about art and has amassed a great collection of art works but makes no connection between the art and the Giver of the talent to create art.

Mar 25, 7:58 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Knowledge can be false andlearning does not necessarily lead to good worksor charitable actions and that can also obscure love

Mar 25, 7:58 PM

Ruth (Guest): Dawn, it is a simple set of basic questions and answers. In “catechism” classes were were expected to learn the answers by rote. Not a great teaching method, but at least the “content” was there. More recently little children were taught with, what I call, the “warm fuzzy” method: draw a picture of your family around the dinner table. Great if the kid has a happy home experience, but still doesn’t more him toward know and loving God and wanting to serve God.

Mar 25, 8:00 PM

Judy (Guest): And as we grew up, the answers stayed with us as we began to grow in a real relationship with God, a relationship of love.

Mar 25, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): move him toward

Mar 25, 8:01 PM

Dawn (Guest): I attended in catechism classes, maybe 1957 or 8 ish. I only recall a small white leather book. our little catechism book.

Mar 25, 8:01 PM

Judy (Guest): That might have a book for preparation for First Eucharist.

Mar 25, 8:02 PM

Dawn (Guest): oh, thank you .

Mar 25, 8:02 PM

Judy (Guest): When I was in first grade, our catechism was called “Jesus and I.

Mar 25, 8:03 PM

Judy (Guest): I sure would love to get a copy of that old book now.

Mar 25, 8:03 PM

Ruth (Guest): How do we know if we love God or not. Peter, e.g. denied even knowing God, but he repented. He challenged Jesus to call him to walk on the water, got out of the boat and sank the moment he realized what he was doing:Blink and sink!

Mar 25, 8:04 PM

Judy (Guest): I think that we can know if we love God if we are keeping His commandments, for openers.

Mar 25, 8:05 PM

Dawn (Guest): If we desire to do his will, seeking it always

Mar 25, 8:05 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Love is of the will as wellas of the heart

Mar 25, 8:05 PM

Ruth (Guest): The Commandments include “Love God with your whole being AND your neighbor as yourself.

Mar 25, 8:06 PM

Ruth (Guest): So the explanation is kind of circular.

Mar 25, 8:06 PM

Dawn (Guest): Love is willing the good of the other

Mar 25, 8:06 PM

Judy (Guest): But of course, one might keep the commandments out of fear rather than of love so there is more involved than just observing the law. Our love for God needs to be affective, that is, a matter of the heart, rather than just of the intellect or the will.

Mar 25, 8:07 PM

Dawn (Guest): Mother, your reply covers both . it is both, as you said

Mar 25, 8:07 PM

Judy (Guest): Jesus tells us to love Him with our whole heart, that is with all of our affections.

Mar 25, 8:08 PM

Ruth (Guest): I wonder if that is so in the “dark night, too. Isn’t it a gift to feel the love we choose to express?

Mar 25, 8:08 PM

Dawn (Guest): and yours Judy. enlightening reply

Mar 25, 8:08 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Explain the dark night a little

Mar 25, 8:11 PM

Ruth (Guest): Instead of explaining, maybe I should refer to a FB site where participants in “Authentic Contemplation” were asked almost the same question. Scores of replies.

Mar 25, 8:11 PM

Jane (Guest): I am not on FB.

Mar 25, 8:11 PM

Carroll (Guest): When I first really fell in love with Jesus, I was so overcome with emotion... while I know my love was true- just very immature- it really “looked” more like infatuation (for lack of a better analogy.) By God’s grace, though far from being as constant as I’d like, now my life reflects my love through actions... That’s how we know, I think,...

Mar 25, 8:11 PM

Judy (Guest): I remember thinking that the book “the Dark Night of the Soul” would be a heavy and depressing one. But when I read it, I found it to be uplifting and very beautiful. However, right now I cannot recall what it said.

Mar 25, 8:11 PM

Ruth (Guest): And there is the Dark Night of the Sense and the Dark Night of the Soul (St. John of the Cross).

Mar 25, 8:11 PM

SrSusan (Guest): ? If the “clever and learned men” have difficulty abounding in devotion, what can such people to do attain that love?

Mar 25, 8:12 PM

SrSusan (Guest): I always have the same answer for this kind of question Spend toime before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament

Mar 25, 8:12 PM

Jane (Guest): Adoration is amazing

Mar 25, 8:13 PM

Ruth (Guest): We are not alone. https://www.facebook.com/groups/737852419689126/ This site has over five thousand “members.

Mar 25, 8:13 PM

Judy (Guest): The clever and learned men, in order to grow in devotion, must begin to focus their attention on God, His virtues, His gifts to mankind and to take pleasure in a relationship with this God. As his knowledge or God increases, his devotion to God will surely grow as well.

Mar 25, 8:14 PM

Judy (Guest): Knowledge of God, not or.

Mar 25, 8:15 PM

SrSusan (Guest): When one meets Jesus in prayer or another way,perhaps thru a person, really meets Him devotion is not difficult just liker fsalling in love

Mar 25, 8:15 PM

Ruth (Guest): I choose to praise God for the stars, when the night is very, very dark, moonless. Sometimes clouds obscure even the stars, but if you have ever seen a really starry night, you know they are there, shining brightly, even when you cannot see them.

Mar 25, 8:16 PM

Judy (Guest): That starry sky always reminds me of luxurious black velvet studded with every so many diamonds.

Mar 25, 8:17 PM

Ruth (Guest): Black velvet with diamonds would remind me of the starry night sky.

Mar 25, 8:17 PM

Ruth (Guest):

Mar 25, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): And that, remind me of the Maker of all that!

Mar 25, 8:18 PM

SrSusan (Guest): and that is growing in contemplation

Mar 25, 8:19 PM

SrSusan (Guest): creation helps, sitting still, being before Jesus –

Mar 25, 8:19 PM

Judy (Guest): Last question on how to grow in contemplative prayer. Reflecting more on the Scriptures, on the life and works of Jesus, on His goodness and love would be the beginning of movement to contemplative prayer. But it is necessary to seek silence and solitude to allow the Word to sink into us and allow ourselver to “just be” i the presence of the Lord, listening to His voice more than speaking to Him.

Mar 25, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): And maybe of Abraham being taken outside (by daylight?) and told that his offspring will be as numerous as the stars of the sky.

Mar 25, 8:20 PM

Judy (Guest): Just be IN the presence of the Lord.

Mar 25, 8:20 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Silence and solitude, under the stars

Mar 25, 8:21 PM

Carroll (Guest): holy silence

Mar 25, 8:21 PM

Ruth (Guest): For me, walking, and even working hard at a non-intellectual job, may help me more than just sitting still.

Mar 25, 8:23 PM

Judy (Guest): That is what is so beautiful about Eucharistic adoration. It is usually done in silence. Just me and Jesus, and an ability to at least try to listen to Him rather than just blathering on as I am often doing. That silence is so precious.

Mar 25, 8:23 PM

SrSusan (Guest): and that’s devotion, contemplation, loving

Mar 25, 8:23 PM

Dawn (Guest): not to restrict a moment of grace of his presence, he may come while babies are crying to be soothed or fed, or while toddlers are singing and dancing. Or seeing in them IN them his love...a moment ....

Mar 25, 8:25 PM

Judy (Guest): Our celebrant this morning incorporated some baby sounds into his homily It was a good thing.

Mar 25, 8:25 PM

Dawn (Guest): how was it done Judy?

Mar 25, 8:25 PM

Ruth (Guest): Maybe that’s why, in Germany, on Fronleichnam, Corpus Christi, the Blessed Sacrament is carried in procession, with praise songs and prayers. And we go on “pilgrimage”Emmausgang” long walks on Easter Monday.

Mar 25, 8:25 PM

Carroll (Guest): When I was a postulant, our novice mistress used to encourage us to remain in the “cloister of our hearts” no matter what was going on around us... what a true grace that has been in the midst of the world!

Mar 25, 8:26 PM

Judy (Guest): I mean sounds that were actually made by a baby and he would affirm what the little one was babbling.

Mar 25, 8:26 PM

Dawn (Guest): so lovely

Mar 25, 8:27 PM

Ruth (Guest): sweet.

Mar 25, 8:28 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carroll, you were a postulant? Where? When?

Mar 25, 8:28 PM

Dawn (Guest): like the cloistered heart.

Mar 25, 8:28 PM

Jane (Guest): Hope everyone has a blessed week. Will there be class on Easter Sunday

Mar 25, 8:28 PM

SrSusan (Guest): This is the holiest of weeks somay your devotion and contemplation increase with allthe grace you each receive.No chat on Easter?

Mar 25, 8:29 PM

SrSusan (Guest): I cannot guarantee my presence but if you all want to...

Mar 25, 8:29 PM

SrSusan (Guest): then a newsletter could go out

Mar 25, 8:29 PM

Jane (Guest): Mother- what would you like to do for Easter Sunday?

Mar 25, 8:30 PM

SrSusan (Guest): I will be present to the community on Easter Sunday and so I probably won’tbe her

Mar 25, 8:30 PM

SrSusan (Guest): here

Mar 25, 8:31 PM

Jane (Guest): So can we agree not to have a chat on Easter Sunday and resume the following week?

Mar 25, 8:31 PM

Judy (Guest): Well, everyone, I guess that we need to think about acquiring a more contemplative mind set this week so that we can enter more closely into the events of Holy Week. I will be having my feet washed on Holy Thursday. that is always a very humbling experience. And I will be a lector on Easter Sunday. What a joy! I wish all of you a reflective and truly involved Holy Weed and an Easter Sunday filled with the joy of the Resurrection. I would think that we could skip chat on Easter. People will be with families

Mar 25, 8:31 PM

Jane (Guest): A newsletter sounds lovely.

Mar 25, 8:31 PM

Carroll (Guest): Ruth- I was at the Visitation Monastery in Mobile, AL from Aug.15, 2014- April 1, 2015.

Mar 25, 8:32 PM

SrSusan (Guest): Yes we can skip- I will see about newsletter God bless you all!

Mar 25, 8:32 PM

Jane (Guest): God bless you all as well. Thank you Judy for such a beautiful thought.

Mar 25, 8:32 PM

Jane (Guest): Amen

Mar 25, 8:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): It’s been kind of rushed. Maybe we could use the time to review if we want to. And/or be with family or friends or in silent contemplation. The Triddum is so packed; I don’t think we necessarily need new material during that time.

Mar 25, 8:34 PM

Carroll (Guest): Amen! Will look forward to chat on Divine Mercy Sunday! Goodnight

Mar 25, 8:34 PM

Jane (Guest): Oh yes. Divine Mercy Sunday.

Mar 25, 8:34 PM

Jane (Guest): so powerful

Mar 25, 8:35 PM

Jane (Guest): Good night everyone. God’s blessings to each of you.

Mar 25, 8:35 PM

Ruth (Guest): Agreed. Thank you Carroll. I want to learn more about your experience there.

Mar 25, 8:36 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carroll, can we private chat for a little while?

Mar 25, 8:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): Everyone, a blessed, holy, grace-filled, Holy Week and Easter!

Mar 25, 10:36 PM

Guest9387 (Guest): Hi

Mar 25, 10:37 PM

Guest9387 (Guest): Can I get a prayer for my starving African friend Jermaine