Questions to ponder Pope Francis opts to focus on the positive aspect of growing in holiness (i.e., living in charity) instead of the negative aspect of growing in holiness (i.e., avoiding sin). While these are both important and necessary, what is the distinction? Why do you think the pope emphasizes this? How can we avoid this temptation to “always be right”? Why do you think we as humans gravitate toward this mindset? How can we overcome it? You have probably heard about the “letter of the law v

Apr 27, 2:54 PM

Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): You have probably heard about the “letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law, how is this concept discussed/articulated in this article? How are ways we can be guilty of legalism in our spiritual life (both in avoiding sin and in our devotions)? What are some worldviews that cause us to lean in these directions?

Apr 29, 7:32 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Mother...looking forward to subject on our chat tonight.

Apr 29, 7:32 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Hi Sister Susan and Dawn ! God Bless You ! Brian

Apr 29, 7:32 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Brian! peace be with you! happy you are here tonight

Apr 29, 7:33 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi all

Apr 29, 7:33 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Peace be with you also Dawn , nice to be back !

 

Apr 29, 7:34 PM

VisitationSiste: I think the Holy Father in the first question prefers to be positive rather than negative and in fact St Francis de Sales was also an optimist

Apr 29, 7:35 PM

Dawn (Guest): I appreciate your bringing the two together !

Apr 29, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: With the help of Fr Ken who is writing this particular series!

Apr 29, 7:37 PM

VisitationSiste: Reaching out in charity is so much better than focusing on our weaknesses and limitations altho we do need to be realistic about those

Apr 29, 7:37 PM

Dawn (Guest): I see. I have not read Gaudete as yet, this is a good introduction

Apr 29, 7:37 PM

VisitationSiste: I guess BRian you take a positive approach with the men you serve?

Apr 29, 7:37 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Make a Friend , Be a Friend , introduce that Friend to Christ !

Apr 29, 7:38 PM

VisitationSiste: and it happens because Christ is right there waiting to be introduced

Apr 29, 7:39 PM

VisitationSiste: It is good to rad the work in bits and pieces I guess!

Apr 29, 7:40 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Our enemy tries to uproot people before they even get a chance to know Christ . Negativity can give the enemy an opening to attack

Apr 29, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: So the Pope who does talk alot about the enemy must favor this strategy of being positive

Apr 29, 7:41 PM

Dawn (Guest): so true Brian! just witnessed this very thing

Apr 29, 7:42 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Seed on the path , rocky soil , and weeds that choke the Word ! Friendship helps people to be planted on good soil and part of community !

Apr 29, 7:43 PM

Dawn (Guest): Somehow I imagine Jesus smiling alot as he met people, I think he was full of joy and the Fathers love

Apr 29, 7:43 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth

Apr 29, 7:44 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Hi Ruth ! God Bless You ! Brian

Apr 29, 7:44 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth! happy you are here tonight. peace!

Apr 29, 7:45 PM

VisitationSiste: I think the temptation to be right is fairly universal but humility can hwelp us avoid this

Apr 29, 7:47 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi everyone. Sorry I’m late. A friend who usually calls shortly after our chat called before tonight. Checking on me after the long drive.

Apr 29, 7:47 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Jesus really knows us ! He meets us where we are ! Good movie years ago came out expressed this well called the Encounter !!! Jesus is a waiter and he knows everything about each character He meets them where they are in life !

Apr 29, 7:48 PM

Dawn (Guest): a good movie

Apr 29, 7:48 PM

Ruth (Guest): You saw it too, Dawn?

Apr 29, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: Never saw it

Apr 29, 7:50 PM

Dawn (Guest): Yes. Unusual setting but it demonstrates as Brian says

Apr 29, 7:50 PM

Ruth (Guest): Neither did I, but we used to hold retreats for high school students called “Encounters” instead of “retreats.

Apr 29, 7:50 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ruth Im glad you arrived safely home

Apr 29, 7:50 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Jackie Valesquez is in it Sister Susan ! Really good movie for teenagers they are really gripped when they watch

Apr 29, 7:52 PM

VisitationSiste: Really! Maybe we will get it on DVD

Apr 29, 7:52 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thank you. It felt like a long, long drive, but luckily the light rainy weather was OK for driving; today we had about 7 inches of snow and it is still snowing. Getting home from church driving was slow and sloppy even after the snowplows had come through.

Apr 29, 7:54 PM

Dawn (Guest): I think spring will arrive..POP ...soon

Apr 29, 7:55 PM

Ruth (Guest): It was already full bloom in Westchester. Spring, that is.

Apr 29, 7:55 PM

Dawn (Guest): we are in spring, so the later spring

Apr 29, 7:55 PM

Ruth (Guest): I just checked YouTube for “Encounter. There are four movies there with that title.

Apr 29, 7:56 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Light flurries early in Buffalo then beautiful cool sunny day

Apr 29, 7:57 PM

VisitationSiste: You have probably heard about the “letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law, how is this concept discussed/articulated in this article? How are ways we can be guilty of legalism in our spiritual life (both in avoiding sin and in our devotions)? What are some worldviews that cause us to lean in these directions?

Apr 29, 7:57 PM

Dawn (Guest): How can we avoid the temptation to always be right. I notice this most in myself when I am talking with another who is tempted to always be right!

Apr 29, 7:58 PM

VisitationSiste: Sounds familiar to me too

Apr 29, 7:58 PM

Dawn (Guest): I notice the tension now where before I did not. I “retreat” and recollect

Apr 29, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): Right thinking is important. But clobbering people with the truth is not loving, and we are called to lead people to the Truth lovingly.

Apr 29, 8:00 PM

Dawn (Guest): I want to be able to call on Jesus right away in those moments

Apr 29, 8:00 PM

VisitationSiste: That is better than self righeousness!

Apr 29, 8:01 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Listen Listen Love Love . Let them talk it out avoid the temptation to always prepare a response . God will help that person to see their view clearer and when you really listen you will see your view clearer

Apr 29, 8:01 PM

Ruth (Guest): I heard only a bit on the radio while driving about a way to lead people to the truth (pro life vs “pro choice” discussion) by getting them to clarify their views, what the MEAN by each of the terms they use.

Apr 29, 8:02 PM

VisitationSiste: That is very balanced-

Apr 29, 8:03 PM

Ruth (Guest): It is, I think, a way of listening specific to the topic.

Apr 29, 8:03 PM

VisitationSiste: This approach avoids other mistakes, one might say, like the “legalism” mentioned above

Apr 29, 8:04 PM

Ruth (Guest): In psychotherapy, too, it is often just letting people talk and reflecting back to them what you hear them saying, perhaps with a question, that often helps.

Apr 29, 8:04 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Listening carefully to others really helps to build relationships and serving others anyway we can

Apr 29, 8:05 PM

Ruth (Guest): I think I have trouble just listening when it is on the telephone; I think I do OK in person face-to-face.

Apr 29, 8:06 PM

VisitationSiste: Chat is a type of listening!

Apr 29, 8:07 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): You can really see the burdens lifted off of people when we listen . Powerful tool for God to minister to people !

Apr 29, 8:07 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Amen Sister !

Apr 29, 8:08 PM

VisitationSiste: Imagine how Jesus must have listened- and still does!

Apr 29, 8:08 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Jesus really knows what we are going through !!!

Apr 29, 8:09 PM

Dawn (Guest): so one of the ways we can avoid the temptation to always be right...is by listening!

Apr 29, 8:09 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes!!

Apr 29, 8:10 PM

VisitationSiste: Jesus kept the Jewish laws but also put cahrity and healing ahead of the Sabbath laws

Apr 29, 8:10 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Amen Dawn ! It really works !!!

Apr 29, 8:11 PM

Ruth (Guest): Pets generally do not interrupt people or have an agenda. We had a cat in one clinic. Patients who might not talk to their therapist or doctor would sit in the waiting room talking at length to the cat.

Apr 29, 8:13 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Love God and Others First ! Put our agendas aside !

Apr 29, 8:14 PM

VisitationSiste: And this is the way to holiness Brian

Apr 29, 8:14 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ah!

Apr 29, 8:15 PM

Ruth (Guest): And loving others, especially those who are very different from ourselves, involves non-judgmental listening.

Apr 29, 8:15 PM

VisitationSiste: and since we are each different .... lots of flexibility

Apr 29, 8:16 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): We are unprofitable servants we must just keep doing what God wants us to do

Apr 29, 8:16 PM

Dawn (Guest): Another movie .Same Kind of Different As Me. it demonstrates those things

Apr 29, 8:17 PM

VisitationSiste: I am missing lots of movies!

Apr 29, 8:17 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Thanks Dawn never saw that one !!!

Apr 29, 8:18 PM

Dawn (Guest):

Apr 29, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): And be sure to ask God what he wants us to do.

Apr 29, 8:20 PM

VisitationSiste: How about the letter vs spirit of the law Sometimes that can be misleading

Apr 29, 8:20 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Amen Ruth !

Apr 29, 8:21 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thanks for the tip about Same Kind of Different as me. It too, I see, is available through YouTube. Full length. I was not familiar with either of them.

Apr 29, 8:22 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): No Love in Legalism ! Control without Love ! Not of God !!

Apr 29, 8:23 PM

Dawn (Guest): The second threat to holiness discussed in Gaudete et Exultate is pelagianism, which is the tendency for people to “ultimately trust only in their own powers and feel superior to others because they observe certain rules or remain intransigently faithful to a particular Catholic style” (no. 49)

Apr 29, 8:23 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Legalism adds burdens real Love removes Burdens

Apr 29, 8:24 PM

Dawn (Guest): I copied paste...because this is powerful to read ( in the article)

Apr 29, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: What did you paste

Apr 29, 8:25 PM

Dawn (Guest): The article you sent email, just this part

Apr 29, 8:26 PM

VisitationSiste: I see!

Apr 29, 8:26 PM

VisitationSiste: Sometimes believers are branded this way

Apr 29, 8:27 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): That’s exactly how the Pharisees were ! That’s why Jesus was Soo tough on them ! He loved them and wanted to see them truly Love God and others . And many of them did later on !!!

Apr 29, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Sometimes Professional religious have this tendency too

Apr 29, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: So we all need to keep on loving!

Apr 29, 8:29 PM

VisitationSiste: in the Heart of Jesus

Apr 29, 8:29 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Amen Sister Susan !

Apr 29, 8:29 PM

VisitationSiste: I need to be going now but let’s stayunited in prayer- til next chat

Apr 29, 8:29 PM

VisitationSiste: God bless!

Apr 29, 8:30 PM

Dawn (Guest): Thank you Sister!

Apr 29, 8:30 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): We are only here for a short time , the Joy of the Lord is our Strenghth !!!

Apr 29, 8:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you Brian, Amen

Apr 29, 8:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ruth are you still here?

Apr 29, 8:31 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): Thank You Sister Susan ! You are a Bright Light of Love for Ou Lord Jesus Christ !!!!

Apr 29, 8:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, thinking about “DeSales calls all disciples to love their abjections, those areas of personal weakness from which failure ensues. So difficult!

Apr 29, 8:33 PM

Guest6353 (Guest): God Bless You All ! Keep Shining ! Brian

Apr 29, 8:33 PM

Dawn (Guest): God Bless you Brian! and your fam.+++

Apr 29, 8:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): Brian – your ministry is so important – to the prisoners, but it has also helped you grow in holiness. God bless you and yours.

Apr 29, 8:35 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thank you sister, especially for the loving service of preparing these chats.

Apr 29, 8:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): Still have to/want to read last week’s chat. Does anyone know about our absent chat companions?

Apr 29, 8:37 PM

Dawn (Guest): I will look back on article to find what you just wrote Ruth. And///Brians ministry has helped me as well, what he brings from it to us

Apr 29, 8:38 PM

Dawn (Guest): I don’t know but there are more than a few!

Apr 29, 8:41 PM

Ruth (Guest): Have a good week Dawn. I enjoyed my visit but I’m glad to be home again. PEACE TO YOU, AND JOY IN THE LORD!

Apr 29, 8:42 PM

Dawn (Guest): Thank you Ruth. enjoy settling in this evening. God bless you! next week.