Jesus tells us that He will turn our sorrow into joy. Why is this significant opposed to Him saying that He would take away our sorrow and replace it with joy?
Why is humility so important for holiness? Remember that the word humility has its root in the Latin word for ‘earth’ or ‘dirt’.
Why is it so significant for the pope to emphasize community in the pursuit of holiness? Why isn’t holiness just an individualistic thing between “me and Jesus”?

May 9, 11:14 AM

VisitationSiste: Sun Chat May 13 730pm est

May 13, 6:10 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hello Mother and everyone here. Happy Mothers Day to you! I just found out I will be missing chat tonight. Thank you Sr Susan for making chats available to read anytime, able to catch up and stay on track. My prayers for all, God Bless...hope to join next Sunday Pentecost 🙏

May 13, 6:57 PM

Carroll (Guest): Good

May 13, 7:00 PM

Carroll (Guest): evening everyone. Happy Feast Day!

May 13, 7:04 PM

Carroll (Guest): I have really been looking forward to chat tonight, but duties call and unless George falls asleep, I need to attend to him... joyfully

May 13, 7:14 PM

Judy (Guest): Hi Mother and everyone! Bet you thought that I had left this earth. No! But I had several weeks that defy description. Everything that could possible go wrong went wrong. From problems with my computer and printer, to getting soaked to the skin in a downpour as I was returning from the laundry room, to having a load of wash come out of the drier still wet, so back it went.

May 13, 7:15 PM

Judy (Guest): All of these things were preventing me from working on the initial formation presentation that I gave yesterday to our new Cooperator candidates. Now that that is done,I have to start on an ongoing formation presentation for our regulat meeting on June 16th. Whew!

May 13, 7:17 PM

Judy (Guest): Happy Mothers’ Day, Mother, and to all of you other mothers in the group!

May 13, 7:27 PM

VisitationSiste: Happy Mother’s day

May 13, 7:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Judy!

May 13, 7:29 PM

VisitationSiste: and viewer!

May 13, 7:29 PM

Judy (Guest): Hello viewer! Happy to have you on board!

May 13, 7:30 PM

Judy (Guest): Shall we get going, Mother!

May 13, 7:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes – no too many here tonite I guess

May 13, 7:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Maybe because of Mothers Day

May 13, 7:32 PM

VisitationSiste: Hello Guest!

May 13, 7:33 PM

VisitationSiste: I think it very significant that sorrow turns into joy- in a sense one can live sorrow and joy at the same time- or perhaps I am thinkingof pain and joy, which is more common

May 13, 7:34 PM

VisitationSiste: Look at the Sorrowful Mother of God- Mother Mary lived sorrow- we have the sorrowful mysteries of the Rosary yet Our Lady is also filled with joy

May 13, 7:36 PM

Judy (Guest): Well, here goes with question 1: In growing in holiness we can avoid a negative attitude toward the many things (often negative) happehing in the world around us if we keep in mind St. Paul’s words in Romans 8:28:We know that all things work for good for those who love God, who are called according to His purpose.And in vs. 31,If God is for us, who can be against us.

May 13, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: When Blessed Mother appears she has been seen to cry- that cry over the obstinacy of her children on earth- yet she becomes radiant

May 13, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth

May 13, 7:37 PM

VisitationSiste: Am I on the wrong question?

May 13, 7:37 PM

Judy (Guest): God cam take even the most tragic events and turn them into wonders. E.g. the crucifixion,an act of brutal pain and suffering led to the resurrection of jesus and ultimately to His return to His Father. This gives us the assurance that we too will return to our Father.

May 13, 7:38 PM

VisitationSiste: Oh I see ok

May 13, 7:39 PM

Judy (Guest): The question begins “At the beginning of this reflection, we are reminded of what Pope Francis said warning against becoming “querelous and disillusioned pessimists,sourpusses.

May 13, 7:39 PM

VisitationSiste: I looked at the short version I think

May 13, 7:39 PM

Judy (Guest): Hi Ruth!

May 13, 7:40 PM

VisitationSiste: So sometimes the very thing that caused us sorrow can cause us joy, when we see the purpose of it, in hindsight- how God used the situation for our good or the good of another

May 13, 7:41 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi Mother, hi Judy, and Guest

May 13, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: The example you used Judy of the crucifixion and resurrection really highlight the sorrow into joy

May 13, 7:42 PM

Ruth (Guest): BRB

May 13, 7:45 PM

VisitationSiste: It extends backwards tto the prophecy of Simeon- that a sword would pierce Mary’s Heart- which happened at the crucifixion,and with all of her witnessing of Jesus’ suffering

May 13, 7:45 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 2: People in heaven are in eternal bliss even while knowing that others are suffering in hell, bacause the joy that comes from living in the KIngdom of God,living with and in God. cannot be diminished by anything.

May 13, 7:48 PM

VisitationSiste: Judy which newsletter are you working from? This week’s or last wweeks

May 13, 7:48 PM

Judy (Guest): This week’s.

May 13, 7:48 PM

Judy (Guest): At least I think it’s this week’s

May 13, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: The questions changed from what I had

May 13, 7:50 PM

VisitationSiste: Anyway the question is a powerful one-and I imagine the bliss is so overwhelming- yet we know as I was writing above that to Blessed Mother there must be concern for her children on earth even while she is in heaven’

May 13, 7:51 PM

Judy (Guest): I am using the one entitled “Holiness is not a passive state meant to make us feel comfortable; it is a call to action.

May 13, 7:51 PM

VisitationSiste: She comes to visit us, like at Fatima, to guide us and warn us- even about hell in the case of Fatima

May 13, 7:51 PM

Ruth (Guest): Back again. And now I can see.

May 13, 7:52 PM

Judy (Guest): But Mary’s joy is not diminished by her concern.

May 13, 7:52 PM

VisitationSiste: True- she bears both somehow

May 13, 7:53 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth, again!

May 13, 7:53 PM

Judy (Guest): Oh, you’re working on the good sense of humor one. I hope I can find it here.

May 13, 7:55 PM

VisitationSiste: Its above on the chat- the blue i contact? But if you have not read it over I do not think Ruth or I mind discussing the questions you started with- there is aklot to them

May 13, 7:55 PM

Judy (Guest): That’s the one I did not have time to work on because I was embroiled in the formation presentation.

May 13, 7:56 PM

VisitationSiste: You have been very busy!!

May 13, 7:57 PM

Judy (Guest): I do have the other two questions from this reflection.

May 13, 7:58 PM

VisitationSiste: Let’s continue!

May 13, 7:59 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 3: How might this topic of happiness and holiness be considered in light someone who suffers from mental health issues such and depression and anxiety. Are they not “holy enough” How does this apply to their situation.

May 13, 7:59 PM

Ruth (Guest): OK, let’s.

May 13, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): I really like the picture you put with the presentation – the laughing pope.

May 13, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): Reminds me of the drawing “Jesus laughing. I can’t remember who the artist is.

May 13, 8:01 PM

VisitationSiste: Holiness can be achieved in any situation- look at St Benedict Labre- condisered to have had an emotional illness

May 13, 8:02 PM

Judy (Guest): People who suffer from mental health issues are not exempt from working for the perfection of charity. they should be seeking help from a mental health professional who can help them deal with their issues and maybe find a way to bring an end to them. they need to maintain an attitude of hope which should impart some joy. And taking strengty from that joy, use it to serve others.

May 13, 8:02 PM

Ruth (Guest): My first theology course in Munich was entitled (translated)Lightheartedness and joy in the Gospels.

May 13, 8:02 PM

VisitationSiste: Struggling with the condition you are given and having a disposition of acceptance is part of holiness

May 13, 8:02 PM

VisitationSiste: We have that picture Ruth but don’t know who did it

May 13, 8:03 PM

VisitationSiste: This question fits in here: Why is humility so important for holiness?

May 13, 8:03 PM

VisitationSiste: Humility is going to that mental health professional and admitting the problem

May 13, 8:03 PM

VisitationSiste: That humility is an aid to subsequent holiness

May 13, 8:04 PM

Judy (Guest): Struggling with the condition and being accepting of it does not mean that one should not seek help in dealing with the problems.

May 13, 8:04 PM

Judy (Guest): Since humility is truth, we need to acknowledge our strengths and weaknesses in our quest for holiness.

May 13, 8:05 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes, being practical about the help one can possible receive and not simply “spiritualizing” everything, but balancing the spiritual with the physical and mental health

May 13, 8:06 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good Judy. Humility is truth: being face-to-face with reality, about ourselves, our situation, everything.

May 13, 8:07 PM

Judy (Guest): Funny thing is that sometimes we have more difficulty acknowledging our strengths that our weaknesses.

May 13, 8:07 PM

VisitationSiste: One cannot have holiness without humility

May 13, 8:08 PM

Judy (Guest): Than our weaknesses.

May 13, 8:08 PM

Ruth (Guest): The practical issues were the role of the Deacons in the early church, and here, now, our Deacon Joe, helped me with the practical “problem” of caring for my cat when I went to visit

May 13, 8:09 PM

Ruth (Guest): family – for Drew’s honor ceremony (Eagle Scout). It gave me great reassurance, since Deacon Joe really loves animals.

May 13, 8:09 PM

VisitationSiste: Sometimes all we see are our weaknesses- I think because when we examine our conscience we are looking for sins or failures to confess

May 13, 8:11 PM

Judy (Guest): Yesterday at the formation meeting, Fr. Tom put us all on the spot by asking each of us to say what we thought our talent was.

May 13, 8:11 PM

VisitationSiste: We can help each other grow in holiness- first by listening-

May 13, 8:11 PM

VisitationSiste: What did you say? I can name several!

May 13, 8:11 PM

VisitationSiste: of yours I mean

May 13, 8:12 PM

Judy (Guest): Oddly enough, I said teaching. I should have said writing.

May 13, 8:12 PM

Ruth (Guest): Or maybe because we think we can’t be loved the way we are. We have an “orphan spirit” in spite of knowing that we have a loving Father and a Mom able to help – through her Son – in every circumstance.

May 13, 8:13 PM

VisitationSiste: I would have said writng, and leadership too.

May 13, 8:14 PM

Judy (Guest): It’s funny, but teaching was the first thing that came to my mind, probably because I was teaching at the moment.

May 13, 8:14 PM

VisitationSiste: orphan spirit- hmmn, interesting

May 13, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): Opps; I’m way behind again – about why we think of our failures rather than our strengths.

May 13, 8:14 PM

Judy (Guest): But that tern “orphan spirit is a good one.

May 13, 8:15 PM

Judy (Guest): I wish I could get my fingers and my brain to coordinate.

May 13, 8:15 PM

VisitationSiste: I would not have thought of it that way- more like isolated spirit- but it all depends on where we each are coming from interiorly

May 13, 8:17 PM

Judy (Guest): Perhaps orphan spirit resonates with me since I lost my father at such a young age.

May 13, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, I heard a delightful CD (Lighthouse Catholic Media) Friday, on a long “abortive” trip (too see my orthopedic surgeon; got there too late) by a Sister of Life. She was talking about obstacles to holiness, to trust, and used the expression. It resonated with me. Really!

May 13, 8:19 PM

VisitationSiste: Thanks for sharing the term- it gives food for thought

May 13, 8:19 PM

VisitationSiste: This question could be a remedy-Why is it so significant for the pope to emphasize community in the pursuit of holiness”

May 13, 8:20 PM

VisitationSiste: A community fills in for the ones the orphan is missing

May 13, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): How could there be LOVE without community?

May 13, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): Even God Himself IS Community: Trinity.

May 13, 8:21 PM

Ruth (Guest): Even the Desert Fathers and Hermits, had community.

May 13, 8:22 PM

Judy (Guest): WEll, now for the last question. Reaching out to others who are in need has the effect of aiding them in their needs (food, clothing). It can make one aware of the good things in his/her oen life and that awareness should bring some joy. Just the very act of helping others can trigger happiness in us for in doing so,k we know that we are fulfilling the will of God and that leads to happiness, to joy.

May 13, 8:23 PM

VisitationSiste: Stepping out of oneself to help others brings joy especially if our motivation is good But even if it is less than perfect, giving to others is rewarding

May 13, 8:24 PM

Judy (Guest): The Pope emphasizes the importance of community in seeking holiness because we come to recognize our true selves as we relate to others. We need others to bounce off of. Our reactions to others can give us a clue as to whether or not we are really growing in holiness.

May 13, 8:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good observation, Sister. While she lived, I used to get Mother’s Day cards from a woman at least twenty years my senior. It really touched me. And today and yesterday I was looking at my prayer card gallery – full of good women whose love and good example helped me grow up to be the person I am.

May 13, 8:25 PM

Judy (Guest): In our relations with others, are we making progress in the perfection of charity.

May 13, 8:25 PM

VisitationSiste: What is a prayer card gallery

May 13, 8:26 PM

VisitationSiste: Judy well phrased- perfection of charity- what a road though –takes selflessness

May 13, 8:27 PM

Judy (Guest): I keep prayer cards from wakes I attend. I keep them in date order and look through them to see if I have remembered to pray for them on the anniversary of their death.

May 13, 8:28 PM

Judy (Guest): I would consider that a prayer card gallery.

May 13, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Thank you for sharing- very good idea

May 13, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: So do you have a busy week ahead too

May 13, 8:31 PM

Ruth (Guest): Oh, where I have the desk for Lectio, under and near the Crucifix, on top of the bookcases, I have the prayer cards or memorial cards from funerals, ordinations, etc. and just a collection of a lot of photos of people (living and deceased) I want to pray for regularly. I started doing that – plus just writing down the names of those for whom I had no photos – when I was in Germany and had a “Scharank” a wardrobe – that was missing a door sized mirror; I filled the space with a sort of collage of phot

May 13, 8:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): photos as reminders to pray for the people pictured.

May 13, 8:32 PM

VisitationSiste: Good ways to remember!

May 13, 8:33 PM

VisitationSiste: This week may you be filled with anticipation of the Holy Spirit’s coming once again, with new gifts into your lives!

May 13, 8:33 PM

Judy (Guest): Wow, this chat has really flown by. Yes Mother, as I mentioned earlier I have to begin working on the ongoing formation presentation for our regular meeting on June 16th. Also this week, on Saturday we will be celebrating the Feast of Mary Help of Christians at the Shrine. It will be an all day affair ending with the crowning of the 40 ft. tall statue of Mary. The fire dept. comes with a cherry picker and lifts up the one who is to crown Mary.

May 13, 8:34 PM

VisitationSiste: Wow- I would love to be there for the crowning. I will pray for all your formation prsentation prep!

May 13, 8:34 PM

VisitationSiste: Ruth- keep the inner fire glowing and may He enflame both of you with His grace!

May 13, 8:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): And so will I.

May 13, 8:34 PM

VisitationSiste: BLessings !!

May 13, 8:35 PM

Judy (Guest): Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of all present in this chat. Give us your gifts of wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, fortitude, piety and fear of the Lord. Lift us up above ourselves and lead us ever closer to Jesus.

May 13, 8:35 PM

Judy (Guest): Have a blessed week, everyone.

May 13, 8:37 PM

Judy (Guest): May the Holy Spirit light a fire in each of us.

May 13, 8:38 PM

Ruth (Guest): Looking forward to Pentecost. The House Director and President of the Board – their sons – are doing much better. We have a Board of Directors meeting tomorrow night. Also, an man interested in becoming part of a live-in lay community. They seem a little nervous about that; we’ll have to meet him; the Constitution provides procedures; both men and women can be part of the Community,

May 13, 8:40 PM

Ruth (Guest): Opps. I’m almost alone again. Sister knows about Our Lady of the Adirondacks House of Prayer. It’s been a rough winter, but things are looking up.

May 13, 8:41 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good night viewer.

May 13, 8:41 PM

Ruth (Guest): A blessed Pentecost!

May 13, 9:14 PM

Guest8651 (Guest): God Bless You All ! Sorry I missed Chat tonight ! Please Pray for our Woman’s Kairos Retreat this week Thurs Fri Sat at Albion Correctional ! Keep Shining ! Brian