There are two main categories for interpreting the theology of the Cross. The one viewpoint sees the death of Jesus primarily as the Father expressing his judgement and justice, and Jesus acting as the one who takes our punishment for the injustices. The other viewpoint looks at it from the lens of Christ’s willing sacrifice of love, a love that supersedes our due punishment. What are your thoughts on this? What does it mean “die of love”?

Jul 8, 7:33 PM

VisitationSiste: Just repeating the question!

Jul 8, 7:33 PM

Dawn (Guest): yes, I am better, thank you

Jul 8, 7:34 PM

Jennifer Koo: What happened to you, Dawn

Jul 8, 7:34 PM

Dawn (Guest): Could we begin this chat with a prayer? Brian?

Jul 8, 7:35 PM

Dawn (Guest): I fell Jennifer, I passed out. mild concussion but healing or almost healed.

Jul 8, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes Brian would you lead us in prayer

Jul 8, 7:36 PM

Jennifer Koo: I will pray for you

Jul 8, 7:37 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you Jennifer

Jul 8, 7:38 PM

Jennifer Koo: You are most welcome

Jul 8, 7:38 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): I don’ t think that there is any greater Love the Father could offer us than His only Son Jesus death on a cross in full view of the Father who could take Him down at any moment but He chose to allow His Son to die in place of us !!! Nothing more that He could do !!! Greatest Love of all !!!

Jul 8, 7:39 PM

VisitationSiste: So Father, help us to know your Love more deeply every day and help us live Your Son Jesus in her hearts, thoughts words and actions

Jul 8, 7:39 PM

VisitationSiste: our hearts

Jul 8, 7:39 PM

Carol Ann: Yet He is the Most High, sovereign, our Creator, dying and redeeming the created

Jul 8, 7:40 PM

VisitationSiste: God is just but He is most Merciful

Jul 8, 7:40 PM

Dawn (Guest): Come, Holy Spirit. In Jesus name, Amen

Jul 8, 7:41 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Dear Jesus , we thank you for the sacrifice you made for us all ! Please guide us in understanding the depth of Love You have and continue to express to all with your willing death on the cross ! In Jesus’s name we pray ! Amen !

Jul 8, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: Beautiful thought Dawn. Thank you for suggesting praying.

Jul 8, 7:42 PM

Dawn (Guest): the Holy Spirit moves and we say Amen!

Jul 8, 7:42 PM

Jennifer Koo: We are blessed, though stain with original sins, but because of sin, we are blessed to be daughters and sons of our heavenly father

Jul 8, 7:42 PM

Carol Ann: Amen!

Jul 8, 7:43 PM

VisitationSiste: I think in former days people felt that they had to earn God’s love and His justice seemed frightening. Today I think we realize God loves us unconditionally

Jul 8, 7:44 PM

Jennifer Koo: I remembered one of the priest said that “lucky sin”

Jul 8, 7:44 PM

Jennifer Koo: God is love

Jul 8, 7:44 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Jesus put our eternal destiny ahead of His life ! Sacrifice ! Greatest Love ! God our Father and the Holy Spirit had to endure watching Jesus suffer and die for us ! Greatest Love !

Jul 8, 7:45 PM

Jennifer Koo: Ever living died for us because of live

Jul 8, 7:45 PM

Carol Ann: Sometimes I hear people say that it’s OK to not struggle againstvsin-to accept their flaws and just go on. I tell them Jesus does love them unconditionally but loves them too much to leave them so miserable

Jul 8, 7:46 PM

Jennifer Koo: I mean love

Jul 8, 7:46 PM

VisitationSiste: Great answer!Carol Anne- puts their dispositions in a new perspective, perhaps

Jul 8, 7:47 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Amen !

Jul 8, 7:47 PM

Jennifer Koo: We can’t struggle with our weaknesses, we failed and we sin. We need to surrender totally and unconditionally to GOD to overcome sin

Jul 8, 7:47 PM

Dawn (Guest): Answer good to remember Amen

Jul 8, 7:49 PM

Carol Ann: Yes, Jennifer, you are right. that is how He does not leave us miserable

Jul 8, 7:50 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): We can also carry a thorn in the flesh that keeps us close to God . If everything were perfect in life we might lose our need to stay in close relationship with God !

Jul 8, 7:50 PM

VisitationSiste: Jesus died of Love, as Love, for Love, to Love and gave us this powerful understanding of what Love truly is

Jul 8, 7:50 PM

Carol Ann: Like we heard St Paul say this morning

Jul 8, 7:51 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Amen !

Jul 8, 7:53 PM

VisitationSiste: And there are people dying for love of Jesus in many parts of our world today

Jul 8, 7:53 PM

Dawn (Guest): so many Mother!

Jul 8, 7:54 PM

Jennifer Koo: Jesus, king of all martyrs. The LORD simply won’t let us go through anything in life without leading us, even for the martyrs

Jul 8, 7:55 PM

Jennifer Koo: Tomorrow, feast day for Chinese martyrs, I heard this in the mass, my today

Jul 8, 7:55 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): I always picture God the Father like an old wise farmer looking over His field and seeing a disease ruining the crop . He puts His arm around His Son Jesus . He says Son I have a difficult job for you ! The only way we can save some of the crop is for you to go in the field , become part of the crop , and give your life to save as much of the crop as possible !

Jul 8, 7:56 PM

Jennifer Koo: God’s will is to save all

Jul 8, 7:56 PM

Carol Ann: No, not one should be lost

Jul 8, 7:57 PM

Jennifer Koo: Everyone

Jul 8, 7:57 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Soo thankful for all who have and are giving their lives up to help others know Jesus !!!

Jul 8, 7:57 PM

Dawn (Guest): a good visual Brian. I think of this as continual, I mean still happening, drawing those to himself...until He comes again

Jul 8, 7:58 PM

Jennifer Koo: Giving one’s life, could be white martyrdom too

Jul 8, 7:58 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Amen Dawn !

Jul 8, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: yes true Jennifer

Jul 8, 7:59 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): When we do the will of God we are giving up our life for God !

Jul 8, 7:59 PM

Jennifer Koo: Holy Foundress teaching

Jul 8, 8:01 PM

Carol Ann: Then to give up your life is really to give up your own will and allow God to transform you

Jul 8, 8:02 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): The Holy Spirit is the Greatest Gift God has given ! Because Jesus died for us we have the Holy Spirit to enable us to do whatever God calls us to do !!!

Jul 8, 8:02 PM

Jennifer Koo: Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven

Jul 8, 8:02 PM

VisitationSiste: Wonderful points!

Jul 8, 8:02 PM

Dawn (Guest): I appreciate you sharing that!.

Jul 8, 8:04 PM

VisitationSiste: Some saints as it mentioned in the chapter, literally died of love for God- that is a huge transformation of self into the Eternal One, God

Jul 8, 8:04 PM

Jennifer Koo: May our LORD bless us with that love

Jul 8, 8:04 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Lack of Faith squelches the Holy Spirit as we see in Jesus’s own community . Their lack of Faith prevented God’s Great Glory from entering their community !

Jul 8, 8:05 PM

Dawn (Guest): in todays Gospel

Jul 8, 8:05 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Amen !

Jul 8, 8:06 PM

Jennifer Koo: And also to know the will of GOD takes time

Jul 8, 8:06 PM

VisitationSiste: One can become too casual with those one thinks one knows- maybe that’s why the town did not see Jesus as others outside the town did

Jul 8, 8:07 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Always remember what God has done already in your life and in the lives of others when your Faith is attacked !!!

Jul 8, 8:07 PM

Carol Ann: Makes me wonder who I might be taking too casually

Jul 8, 8:09 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): We must pray for new believers who are Soo exuberant in their Faith !!!

Jul 8, 8:11 PM

Dawn (Guest): agree, prayers of protection!

Jul 8, 8:12 PM

VisitationSiste: St Francis de Sales reminds us to see Jesus in each person even when we don’t like them or understand them

Jul 8, 8:13 PM

Dawn (Guest): Jesus of course knew where he was and their hearts and was amazed at their lack of faith. a new believer full of zeal may not be able to discern those things

Jul 8, 8:13 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): We were at Gospel Mission in Niagara Falls feeding a group of 50 or Soo Homeless people and it was Soo great to have some new volunteers who were Soo excited at the opportunity to serve and minister to people in such need !!!

Jul 8, 8:15 PM

Jennifer Koo: But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.
Matthew 19:30 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.19.30.NASB

Jul 8, 8:15 PM

Carol Ann: I pray they never grow tired because the need just keeps growing greater

Jul 8, 8:15 PM

Jennifer Koo: New believers might have a greater faith

Jul 8, 8:16 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Remember disciples when they went to new town with Jesus and they ran into new believer teaching in a different way ! Jesus said leave him alone when they wanted to stop him !!!

Jul 8, 8:16 PM

Dawn (Guest): a wonderful ministry! a friend goes to one every weekend

Jul 8, 8:19 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): We can easily get caddy and become like Pharisees instead of allowing the Faith of new believers to inspire us !!!

Jul 8, 8:20 PM

Carol Ann: Do these actions show that inside we are dying for love of Christ?

Jul 8, 8:20 PM

Dawn (Guest): 2. what does it mean to die of love? I thought of bible scripture
Mt 16:24-25
Whoever wishes to come after Me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it,( hold onto this life, this world) but whoever loses his life for My sake

( abandonment of our self for His sake, for him) will find it.

would this not be dying of love?

Amen Brian!

Jul 8, 8:20 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): It is Soo great to see somebody new fall in Love with God !!!

Jul 8, 8:21 PM

VisitationSiste: One way of dying of love- dying in which we take on new life

Jul 8, 8:22 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Amen Sister !

Jul 8, 8:22 PM

Jennifer Koo: New life

Jul 8, 8:23 PM

VisitationSiste: I think that the new life is part of the answer to the last question here: f love means “that someone lay down his life for his friends, then how do we reconcile that with the fact that love is supposed to set us free and be liberating?

Jul 8, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: our new life in Christ is free and we are liberated when He lives in us

Jul 8, 8:24 PM

Jennifer Koo: Praying that GOD grant us, each one of us to have the New Life by the wil of GOD

Jul 8, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes!!

Jul 8, 8:24 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Attended a difficult play the other night ! It was interesting though how the characters as they came to a knowledge of the real truth in their lives they were able to move on too a better life ! The Gospel Message !

Jul 8, 8:25 PM

Carol Ann: God’s love transforms us and sets us free of our own sins bit by bit so that we are free to behave lovingly toward others, no longer speaking and acting out of our own wounds

Jul 8, 8:26 PM

Dawn (Guest): Amen and Amen

Jul 8, 8:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): Such a good truth to share Carol Ann

Jul 8, 8:29 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): When I was way away from God I had a friend who was very very faithful to God . She had many many major events happening in her life and I watched her walk through every one of them with God ! She gave her life completely to God and her Faith through enormous difficulties brought me back to Christ !!!

Jul 8, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: What a blessing for you!!

Jul 8, 8:30 PM

Carol Ann: I wish it were written somewhere just how long that takes!

Jul 8, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Until we go to eternity?

Jul 8, 8:30 PM

Dawn (Guest): yes!

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Good thought to ponder on.. until next week!

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

Carol Ann: I think you are right Sister, else we might get too elated

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Pray for Ruth- her brother Richard passed away

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Know that you are impacting others as you keep your Strong Faith in God no matter what is happening around you !!!!!

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: and pray for his repose

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

Jennifer Koo: Yes

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Blessings for each of you!

Jul 8, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Good night!

Jul 8, 8:32 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): Many Prayers for Ruth !!!!!!

Jul 8, 8:32 PM

Carol Ann: Oh ni! I will !

Jul 8, 8:32 PM

Jennifer Koo: Good night

Jul 8, 8:32 PM

Carol Ann: God bless us all!

Jul 8, 8:32 PM

Jennifer Koo: Good to join you

Jul 8, 8:33 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you all for sharing your gifts here, God bless you all. In his love and Name

Jul 8, 8:33 PM

Dawn (Guest): goodnight <3

Jul 8, 8:36 PM

Guest4147 (Guest): God Bless You All !!! Please pray for my friend Joe ‘s wife Beth !!! Very close couple he passed away peacefully with Jesus last week !!! Thank you for all the prayers Sister Susan !! He was able to see his grandson before passing and we had a beautiful last visit together !!!! Praise God for Joe !!! He led many many people to Jesus !!!!

Jul 8, 8:40 PM

Jennifer Koo: May the choirs of angels come to greet Richard and Joe.

May they speed them to paradise.

May the Lord enfold them in His mercy.

May they find eternal life.