With God being omniscient (all-knowing), what room is there for free will and the fate of our ultimate destiny of either heaven or hell? God could see it all before everything was created, so how are we free? How do we explain that God wills all to be saved and yet not all go to heaven? Is God’s will not effective? God created the entire universe and everything that is contained therein. The power of our awesome God is unfathomable. And yet the most powerful thing God can do is to win over someone

Aug 30, 10:03 AM

VisitationSiste: someone’s heart and get them to freely choose Him. What are your thoughts on that?
St. Francis mentions the boldness of Peter in proclaiming that he was ready to do as much as to die for the Lord. How do we follow through on our boldly-held love of God? What does St. Francis mean by making general affections and particular affections in prayer?

Sep 2, 7:37 PM

Judy (Guest): Well here goes the first question: Though God could see what we would do before we do it, in no way does He force His will upon us.. It is as if wer were standing on an overpass to a highway and could see that two cars were going to collide but were unable to do anything to prevent it. So because of His gift of free will, He does not take it back but leaves us free to accept His will or not. Hi Ruth!

Sep 2, 7:37 PM

Carol Ann: To think, just six short months ago we were just beginning to recover from the largest fire on record. and now there have been two even larger

Sep 2, 7:39 PM

Dawn (Guest): hopefully they will rule to clean the forests!

Sep 2, 7:40 PM

Ruth (Guest): OK. I’m back and feeling a bit better. And I can see!

Sep 2, 7:40 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes Judy I was thinking of a perspective like that- maybe from the sky, and time too has something to do with it- God is outside our time so He sees all, what we consider past and future

Sep 2, 7:40 PM

Carol Ann: a lot of the problems come from the beetles that killed huge swathes of trees, much more than nature can take care of in the usual way

Sep 2, 7:40 PM

Ruth (Guest): Will read as much as I can of what you just wrote.

Sep 2, 7:42 PM

Carol Ann: What makes me stop and think is that God created us to love Him and serve Him and be with Him. He knows from the start who will turn away and who will come back. yet He still created those who would turn away

Sep 2, 7:43 PM

Dawn (Guest): this is difficult to understand, so I do not try to

Sep 2, 7:43 PM

Judy (Guest): And gave them the freedom to make that decision.

Sep 2, 7:44 PM

VisitationSiste: Even in our lives we may have insights into anothers choices or future mob=vement- not precis like God’s but we know how someone usually responds to things. Our knowing it in our way does not force them to act as we think they will- they are free- but often our guesses are correct. So imagine God who knows us because He made us!

Sep 2, 7:45 PM

Judy (Guest): Even we who know and love Him, sometimes make a decision that is not within His will. but He created us anyway, giving us repeated opportunities to return to Him.

Sep 2, 7:47 PM

Judy (Guest): His love for us is never ending and He will continue to love us regardless of our decisions.

Sep 2, 7:47 PM

Dawn (Guest): on this reflection today I thought several times about the thief who repented and asked Jesus to remember him. we never know how God will work or is working in someone. I do not believe we were asked to concern ourself but to just love others

Sep 2, 7:47 PM

VisitationSiste: Very true!

Sep 2, 7:48 PM

Judy (Guest): We just need to be open to how God is working in our lives.

Sep 2, 7:49 PM

Dawn (Guest): Yes, Judy!

Sep 2, 7:49 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 2: Because God has given us free will, we are free to accept, or to live according to His will, or to reject it or to live in a manner apart from His will. Those who do tha latter will not enter Heaven.

Sep 2, 7:50 PM

Judy (Guest): It is not God

Sep 2, 7:51 PM

Dawn (Guest): ?

Sep 2, 7:51 PM

Judy (Guest): s will that they do not enter Heaven, but their own will that keep them out.

Sep 2, 7:51 PM

VisitationSiste: Yet when we love we want to do God’s will, even when it is difficult

Sep 2, 7:51 PM

Carol Ann: Like what Joshua said to the people after the great battle. Today you have set before you life or death. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord

Sep 2, 7:52 PM

Ruth (Guest): True. BUT I think of the few times when I was privy to the knowledge that a patient had the intention – and possibly the means – of doing great harm. It was my professional obligation – AND a loving thing to do – to prevent that person from committing the serious crimes to the extent that that was possible – basically by getting police involved. The greater good in an instance like that overrides the individual’s right to confidentiality.

Sep 2, 7:53 PM

Dawn (Guest): this would be doing God’s will even when difficult

Sep 2, 7:54 PM

Judy (Guest): That is an awesome responsibility on the part of a doctor and must be very difficult to act upon. But knowing God’s will must make it easier.

Sep 2, 7:55 PM

Ruth (Guest): Maybe God does something similar – by putting the right people in the right place at the right time – to avert more crimes than we know about. AND suicides. But NOT ALL. There are so many ways in which humans make life miserable for other humans – or take lives. It is the strongest obstacle to believe in an all-loving all-powerful God.

Sep 2, 7:56 PM

Ruth (Guest): But I do believe. Christ on the Cross FREELY – says LOVE can and will be victorious.

Sep 2, 7:56 PM

Carol Ann: because we blame God for the evil that we doing, saying that if He were all powerful (and He is) He would simply stop us. But then that would negate free will, which we can use to serve evil, even unintentionally

Sep 2, 7:57 PM

VisitationSiste: Our reason cannot fathom the depths of this I think- we can approach it tho

Sep 2, 7:57 PM

Judy (Guest): Jesus’ death on the cross seemed like defeat. But His Resurrection from the dead is the promise that His good will triumph over evil.

Sep 2, 7:59 PM

Dawn (Guest): and there is our greatest hope in this world, Resurrection

Sep 2, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes it seemed like defeat. But it was – already on the cross – Christ’s victory over his human desire to avoid such a horrible, ignominious death. Bishop Barron points to the crucifix and says,

Sep 2, 8:00 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you Mother for your guidance here, that we can approach it tho

Sep 2, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): This is the picture of a happy man!

Sep 2, 8:01 PM

Carol Ann: Me too. I am grateful for being created and wish I were a better follower

Sep 2, 8:01 PM

VisitationSiste: I think we guide each other! I learn alot here from all of you!

Sep 2, 8:02 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 3: God has placed so many gifts before us. Gifts of beauty such as art and music; gifts of necessity such as food, clothing and shelter; gifts of pleasure such as cool breezes, babbling brooks and songs of birds. Surely thee should be more than enough to sin someone’s soul so that they freely choose Him. But still, because of freewill, some choose to follow their own path rather than His.

Sep 2, 8:03 PM

Judy (Guest): Surely these

Sep 2, 8:03 PM

Ruth (Guest): To a non-believer, it was just an execution. Christ’s interior attitude, his “YES” to “the cup of suffering” made the entire way of the Cross a powerful redemptive act of love. But we know this because of the resurrection.

Sep 2, 8:04 PM

Judy (Guest): Oops, to win someone’s soul, not sin someone’s soul.

Sep 2, 8:06 PM

Carol Ann: there are so many human theories about how the world came to be, that it was just a cosmic accident. but even the big bang theory opens the question of what caused the bang. The world, our own bodies even, let alone the universe, are far too complex to be an accident. But believing so lets you off the moral hook. or so you think

Sep 2, 8:06 PM

Dawn (Guest): some people do not have all this beauty surrounding them. they have great suffering, and in this suffering some turn to God.

Sep 2, 8:06 PM

Judy (Guest): At the Last Supper, Jesus said “How I have longed to eat this meal with you. I believe that He also longs for us to come completely into His will and to live according to it because of His love for us. All He does is out of love for us.

Sep 2, 8:07 PM

Ruth (Guest): Interesting, Judy, that you point to so many beautiful, natural things as evidence of God. . . And that there are people who have so little access to such beauty. . . And that the title of a book by the granddaughter of Dorothy Day (Blessed Dorothy Day, I believe) is The World Will be Saved by Beauty. I’ve only just started reading it.

Sep 2, 8:07 PM

VisitationSiste: The first cause, is that not what St Thomas of Aquinas said, Carol Somthing like that

Sep 2, 8:09 PM

Carol Ann: He might have. He was a scientist ahead of his time as well as a theologian

Sep 2, 8:11 PM

VisitationSiste: Asking for the grace before each action that we take brings us into the will of God for that action

Sep 2, 8:12 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, First Cause. Those who think they do not need God to explain the existence of the universe, just don’t ask enough questions. They stop questioning – even as to how matter and energy came to be, and to be the way it is.

Sep 2, 8:12 PM

Judy (Guest): Last question: We profess to love God, but do we always act as people who love Him. We do often choose our own will over His. I thing general affections in prayer are statements of our simple love for God with no specifications as go degree. Particular affections in prayer are expressions or our love for God for His goodness, for His glorious creation; for the beauty in nature, for the wonders of the human body, the list could go on and on.

Sep 2, 8:13 PM

Judy (Guest): As to degree.

Sep 2, 8:16 PM

Judy (Guest): We need to imagine the heart of God as an enormous vessel that is opening ever wider and wider to accept us and to pour out His gifts upon us.

Sep 2, 8:16 PM

VisitationSiste: We act on our own “steam” not God’s and so we choose not to follow Him, even if only a short time

Sep 2, 8:16 PM

Carol Ann: and that is why we so often run out of steam

Sep 2, 8:16 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes!

Sep 2, 8:18 PM

Judy (Guest): Yes, if we rely on ourselves we will surely run out of steam. Our energy must come from God or it will die out.

Sep 2, 8:19 PM

VisitationSiste: A simple gaze on God as St jane said Visitandines are drawn to in prayer seems to me to be a general affection for God

Sep 2, 8:19 PM

Ruth (Guest): ABANDONMENT TO DIVINE PROVIDENCE (by Father Jean Pierre de Caussade, S.J. has a Nihile Obstate and Imprimature from 1921 but was just republished in 2017. It seems to me to be very much informed by St. Francis de Sales, but easier to read.

Sep 2, 8:20 PM

Judy (Guest): Jesus told us that He is the way, the truth and the life. We must walk in His way, know and understand His truth, and live His life to the full.

Sep 2, 8:20 PM

Carol Ann: if we give everything to Him, He gives us more back

Sep 2, 8:22 PM

VisitationSiste: I did my retreat on that book in 2016. There is also a series of letters the author wrote to Visitation nuns- very much likemSt Francis de Sales

Sep 2, 8:22 PM

Ruth (Guest): One day this past week I missed Mass. I can’t even remember now why, probably because everything takes me longer than I think it should – even getting ready for Mass. The whole day I was soooo, sooo tired, although I’d had about 8 hours of good sleep! It seemed I couldn’t get anything done.

Sep 2, 8:22 PM

Judy (Guest): So many people are hungry for something and do not know what. That something is God. He can satisfy every hunger of ours. And He will if we abandon ourselves to Him.

Sep 2, 8:23 PM

Dawn (Guest): This book sits on the shelf but Ive yet to read it

Sep 2, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: Very good book!

Sep 2, 8:24 PM

Carol Ann: have several books like that. they are quite reproachful as they look at me

Sep 2, 8:25 PM

VisitationSiste: Here’s a letter the author wrote to a Visitandine: https://visitationspirit.org/2015/08/more-advice-on-retreats/

Sep 2, 8:26 PM

Ruth (Guest): Oh, that’s exciting, Sr. Susan Marie! The copy I have does not include the letters. And it was St. Francis’s letters to St. Jane Frances de Chantal that first caught my attention – rather than his more formal works.

Sep 2, 8:27 PM

VisitationSiste: You can probably find some of it on line I will look for the title of the book with theletters They are profound

Sep 2, 8:28 PM

Ruth (Guest): In them, it seems to me, SFdS writes such clear, direct, wise advise.

Sep 2, 8:29 PM

Ruth (Guest): Maybe it is also that we have better translations.

Sep 2, 8:30 PM

Judy (Guest): I read the letter and I think that that is where the motto “Ask nothing, refuse nothing. comes from.

Sep 2, 8:30 PM

Ruth (Guest): Sometimes his natural science is off – but it is fascinating. Makes me research the little bit. And smile.

Sep 2, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Insightful – there is so much to give us richness- yes Pliny was his source and of course he was ancient

Sep 2, 8:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): just looking, the edition I have has no letters. but my eyes fell upon this...for faith cannot be said to be real , living faith until it is tried and has triumphed over every effort for its destruction

Sep 2, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Wow! What a word for today and the Church!

Sep 2, 8:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): YES!

Sep 2, 8:32 PM

VisitationSiste: Let’s remember that during this coming week- with prayer

Sep 2, 8:32 PM

VisitationSiste: Have a blessed one!

Sep 2, 8:32 PM

Carol Ann: yes, because while Jesus promised us the Church would never be defeated, e never said we would not have to fight for her

Sep 2, 8:32 PM

Judy (Guest): Let us abandon ourselves to the Lord and allow Him to take us over so that in all circunstances His will will be our will. Have a blessed week and a restful holiday tomorrow.

Sep 2, 8:33 PM

Carol Ann: I will pray for all of you, please pray for me too!

Sep 2, 8:33 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes for you and all of your neighbors and friends, Carol

Sep 2, 8:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): I think of Calib, again. I read from the O.T. for about three hours in church last Sunday and prayed. Calib realized that the bigger the obstacles the bigger/stronger/more resourceful God would make him. He was not afraid because “God is with us!

Sep 2, 8:34 PM

Carol Ann: thank you! God bless us every one

Sep 2, 8:34 PM

Dawn (Guest): Thank you all and God bless you, everyone, you are in my prayers! Goodnight~

Sep 2, 8:36 PM

Ruth (Guest): God bless you. All of you. Each of you. I remember you often through the week ask Our Lord to bless you