What is the fine line between strictly following the commandments and lovingly obeying God who issues the commandments?
2. Some describe God’s law as a blueprint or our lives. What do you think about this analogy? Does it make sense to you? Why or why not?
3. If Jesus dies for and makes atonement for our sins, what is the point of obeying commandments?
4. Is God’s law/commandments too restrictive? To assist in answering that, do you consider the laws of nature too restrictive?

.What is the fine line between strictly following the commandments and lovingly obeying God who issues the commandments? One is cold, the other warm!

Sep 9, 7:40 PM

Carol Ann: That’s true! It’s also like the Pharisees who followed the letter of the kaw but not its spirit

Sep 9, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes- and esp for religious, the danger of being a Pharisee is lurking around

Sep 9, 7:42 PM

Jennifer Koo: Always speak and act as men destined for judgment under the law of freedom. Merciless is the judgment on the man who has not shown mercy; but mercy triumphs over judgment.

Sep 9, 7:43 PM

Jennifer Koo: Monday morning prayer reading

Sep 9, 7:43 PM

VisitationSiste: Good quote!

Sep 9, 7:43 PM

Ruth (Guest): I’m back, closed off one room and plugged in a little electric heater. It was 50 degrees in here. Seemed warmer outside. Maybe because I was active. And the sun had not yet quite set.

Sep 9, 7:44 PM

VisitationSiste: Actually I don’t think the line is all that fine between the two. I think its a big gap like between non-love and love

Sep 9, 7:44 PM

Carol Ann: That’s very cold for inside Ruth

Sep 9, 7:45 PM

Jennifer Koo: Yes, very cold. I am in the 80s

Sep 9, 7:46 PM

Carol Ann: Does St Francis mean that we should not disobey the law, even if we think there is a loving reason?

Sep 9, 7:46 PM

Ruth (Guest): We had frost this morning. Today was our parish outdoor Mass and picnic. People ate in the summer camp mess hall. Noisy!

Sep 9, 7:46 PM

VisitationSiste: I did not see it that way- which paragraph are you referring to? I will check

Sep 9, 7:47 PM

Carol Ann: The first one. I was thinking how sometimes people say the law is unloving

Sep 9, 7:47 PM

Jennifer Koo: Love is the greatest according to 1 Corinthains

Sep 9, 7:48 PM

Jennifer Koo: GOD is just, but GOD is love

Sep 9, 7:48 PM

Ruth (Guest): Justice AND Mercy!

Sep 9, 7:48 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Hi Sister Susan , Jennifer , Ruth , and Carol Ann ! God Bless You ! Brian

Sep 9, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: St Francis always counselled people to follow legitimate authority except when or if they advised something that was sinful

Sep 9, 7:50 PM

Carol Ann: Probably in the context of the same sex marriage controversy. I have heard people say that God made people attracted to the same sex or there wouldn’t be any, therefore the law we follow in that regard is for another time when we did not know that

Sep 9, 7:50 PM

Jennifer Koo: Time off for chat room

Sep 9, 7:50 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Brian!

Sep 9, 7:52 PM

Ruth (Guest): And our Government has now been doing that. I think it is sinful to force all of us to pay for abortions. And it is sinful to forceably separate children from their parents and/or imprison them for the misdemeanor of entering the country without papers while seeking asylum.

Sep 9, 7:52 PM

VisitationSiste: I think He would have had models then just as He modeled the hOly Family

Sep 9, 7:53 PM

Carol Ann: I meet all kinds of different people and ideas when I’m at work. Totally not sure about that last one

Sep 9, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): Do you believe that Carol Ann?

Sep 9, 7:54 PM

Jennifer Koo: Pray for Singapore, now there is an online petition on for Singaporean in keeping 377A, (law against same sex marriage)

Sep 9, 7:54 PM

Carol Ann: No

Sep 9, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): Oh, you answered before I could post my question.

Sep 9, 7:54 PM

Carol Ann: Oops, I thought that was the question Ruth

Sep 9, 7:55 PM

Carol Ann: I will pray Jennifer

Sep 9, 7:55 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): It is Soo important to blend our Faith into everything we do . A lot of Faithful Government Employees , Teachers , Health Care Workers who make such a difference in people’s lives by their Faith in Action in their jobs !

Sep 9, 7:55 PM

Jennifer Koo: Thank you

Sep 9, 7:57 PM

VisitationSiste: hello guest!

Sep 9, 7:58 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): Hi Sr. Suzanne, Sr. Karen and all! It’s Amy Sauer from Viz in STL.

Sep 9, 7:58 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Hi Guest 3579 !

Sep 9, 7:58 PM

Jennifer Koo: Hi Amy

Sep 9, 7:58 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Hi Amy ! God Bless You !

Sep 9, 7:58 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hello Amy.

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

Carol Ann: Hi,Amy

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Amy welcome!

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: Next question? Some describe God’s law as a blueprint or our lives. What do you think about this analogy? Does it make sense to you? Why or why not?

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

Ruth (Guest): STL?

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: St louis Mo

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: Louis

Sep 9, 7:59 PM

VisitationSiste: Visitation in St Louis

Sep 9, 8:00 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thanks.

Sep 9, 8:01 PM

VisitationSiste: To me, a blueprint is also kind of a cold image

Sep 9, 8:01 PM

VisitationSiste: God’s law is life, His life in us!

Sep 9, 8:01 PM

Ruth (Guest): Not a blueprint. Blueprints are very specific, every detail. But God’s Law is certainly an important guide to what will make us happy and make for a healthy community.

Sep 9, 8:03 PM

Ruth (Guest): We still have to prayerfully ask Him for the details in each specific situation – and use good judgement based upon what he teaches us through Scripture and Tradition as expressed in the church.

Sep 9, 8:03 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): This makes sense to me. The blueprint is the Plan of God. A meticulously laid out plan for the History Of The Kingdom Of God. This history is still being written and we are writing it in cooperation with God- the contracting, building, landscaping, decorating- of the blueprint.

Sep 9, 8:04 PM

VisitationSiste: Better way of looking at it! THanks!

Sep 9, 8:04 PM

Ruth (Guest): PHone.

Sep 9, 8:04 PM

Carol Ann: And we must keep our work area clean and holy

Sep 9, 8:04 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): Living the law to build the Kingdom here until He comes again.

Sep 9, 8:04 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): I think God’s Law is a Barometer that shows us the strength of our relationship with God . When we are truly living with God we naturally follow His laws out of a Loving Relationship with God ! When we are not fiollowing His Laws it is a warning to us to examine our relationship we God !

Sep 9, 8:04 PM

Ruth (Guest): Back again.

Sep 9, 8:06 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): Beautiful Guest7458

Sep 9, 8:08 PM

Jennifer Koo: I have to go. Bell will be ringing soon. Time for mid morning prayer. Bye now

Sep 9, 8:08 PM

Ruth (Guest): Guest 7458 I’d say that that is true IF we include the corporal and spiritual works of mercy under the term “law.

Sep 9, 8:08 PM

VisitationSiste: Bye Thanks for being here!

Sep 9, 8:08 PM

Carol Ann: See you soon Jennifer, have a blessed day!

Sep 9, 8:09 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): Can I ask a question about living the law?

Sep 9, 8:09 PM

Ruth (Guest): God bless you Jennifer.

Sep 9, 8:09 PM

Ruth (Guest): Have a good retreat.

Sep 9, 8:09 PM

Carol Ann: They should be Ruth, the are a definition of law in action

Sep 9, 8:09 PM

Ruth (Guest): They have more to do with the “law of love” I’d say.

Sep 9, 8:09 PM

VisitationSiste: Please ask

Sep 9, 8:10 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): The Danger of just following the blueprint is that it is possible to follow all the laws without any relationship with God . That’s how the Oharises got . That’s why Jesus would try to wake them up to see the importance of Loving God and Loving Everybody even our enemies !

Sep 9, 8:11 PM

Carol Ann: And the importance of doing everything in union with Christ. Or else it’s just hollow

Sep 9, 8:11 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, and in the Old Testament times there were soooooo many laws. Some of them ought not to be followed today.

Sep 9, 8:12 PM

VisitationSiste: Good points!

Sep 9, 8:12 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): God Bless You Jennifer !

Sep 9, 8:12 PM

VisitationSiste: if Jesus dies for and makes atonement for our sins, what is the point of obeying commandments?

Sep 9, 8:12 PM

Ruth (Guest): I agree 7458.

Sep 9, 8:12 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Amen Carol Ann !

Sep 9, 8:13 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): The maxim of the law is to Love God above all things and your neighbor as yourself. I think that definitely encompasses relationships and the spiritual and corporal works of mercy.

Sep 9, 8:13 PM

Carol Ann: Obeying commandments is one way of showing Him we love Him

Sep 9, 8:14 PM

VisitationSiste: and we have to be cautious not to be presumptious

Sep 9, 8:14 PM

Guest3579 (Guest): My question is how to live and help “teach” to children how the celebrate liberty of spirit in the law.

Sep 9, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): If by “Law” we mean the Ten Commandments, then the low is like a fence around a deep, deep pit. Climbing over it puts one at great peril. But if we are following the Law of Love which Christ taught, then we are not even inclined to go anywhere near that fence. We are more like mountain climbers.

Sep 9, 8:15 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): When we really know and Love Jesus we naturally follow the commandments . Like if we had Loving parents we would naturally avoid doing certain things that we know would hurt them !

Sep 9, 8:16 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Amen Ruth !

Sep 9, 8:16 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, 7458. We would WANT to please God.

Sep 9, 8:18 PM

VisitationSiste: With children, there are developmental levels so it might be different in teaching them than an adult But children know freedom, say during summer vacation, vs school days and maybe some kind of comparisons like that would help

Sep 9, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): That would displease our parents because our parents have OUR best interests at heart. I other words, we know, in some way, would hurt US.

Sep 9, 8:19 PM

Carol Ann: Do we adults go through childish phases in the spiritual life whrpen obedience to law is the best we can do?

Sep 9, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hmm. I often felt freer, in some ways, in school. At home I was “walking on eggshells” all the time. Never knew what would set mother off. At school by following the rules, and trying to please teacher, there was peace and predictably good outcomes.

Sep 9, 8:21 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Childlike Faith really can keep us from becoming a Pharisee !

Sep 9, 8:21 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good question Carol Ann.

Sep 9, 8:22 PM

Carol Ann: I know we go through various phases, sometimes more than once, and they might be more childish than childlike

Sep 9, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: Did any of this answer your question Amy

Sep 9, 8:25 PM

Ruth (Guest): Today the DRE assigned me to teaching k-1. Surprise! I think it will be for me a bigger challenge than teaching adults. But fun, too. She says the parents often just drop off the kids, don’t even go to Mass themselves. So we may have to make little evangelizers out of those children!

Sep 9, 8:25 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Serving Others helps us to focus on needs of others ! Jesus has never Stopped Serving us All !

Sep 9, 8:26 PM

VisitationSiste: Last questiion Is God’s law/commandments too restrictive? To assist in answering that, do you consider the laws of nature too restrictive?

Sep 9, 8:27 PM

Carol Ann: It can seem that way, particularly when it makes us be counter cultural

Sep 9, 8:28 PM

Ruth (Guest): The glory of God is a human FULLY ALIVE! God’s laws are not too restrictive; they guide us in knowing what will further LIFE!

Sep 9, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Asceticism is another way of saying restrictions I suppose but it frees us, eventually and brings deep peace

Sep 9, 8:29 PM

Carol Ann: Because our focus is on the next life, not this one

Sep 9, 8:31 PM

Ruth (Guest): Ah, interesting Carol Ann. But when the culture goes against God’s laws, then the culture is a culture of death. We may find it difficult, challenging, even a kind of martyrdom to be counter-cultural. But is that restrictive? I think not; I think it is freeing.

Sep 9, 8:32 PM

Carol Ann: It is, when coupled with part 2, where is your focus?

Sep 9, 8:32 PM

VisitationSiste: I think maturity helps us to accept this- it depends on our growth over time to recognize this as a truth

Sep 9, 8:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): It is not ONLY on the next life. It is on THIS life, too. We can each contribute in some small way – we must!, preferably all together – to creating a new culture more in tune with God’s laws.

Sep 9, 8:34 PM

Carol Ann: Yes, we can

Sep 9, 8:34 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): What helped me to get closer to Jesus was seeing people who had a Loving relationship with Jesus and they were naturally living out God’s Word in their life . They couldn’t quote you Scripture but they were living God’s Word ! Such an encouragement to me !

Sep 9, 8:34 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes and in each of our lives we try to do this.

Sep 9, 8:35 PM

VisitationSiste: Thank you all for a great chat! Prayers and blessings and stay well!

Sep 9, 8:35 PM

Carol Ann: Thank you Sister Susan Marie!

Sep 9, 8:35 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thank you Sister, for leading us in the chat.

Sep 9, 8:36 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): God Bless You All ! Mini Retreat in Prison Friday Night and Saturday on the Fruits of the Spirit ! Please keep Men in your prayers !!!

Sep 9, 8:37 PM

Carol Ann: We will pray for you all Brian!

Sep 9, 8:37 PM

Carol Ann: May Go’s bless us every one

Sep 9, 8:38 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Thanks Carol Ann ! You are all Soo precious to our Lord ! Keep Shining !!!

Sep 9, 8:39 PM

Ruth (Guest): Oh, that is you, Brian, 7458! If you highlight the guest number and substitute your name, it is a bit easier.

Sep 9, 8:39 PM

Guest7458 (Guest): Thanks Ruth ! God Bless You !!!

Sep 9, 8:43 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carol Ann, you are doing God’s work. Keep plugging. He has promised to be with us ALWAYS. Trust Him. Would an encouraging CD help?: Swimming Against the Tide. Stephen Ray, I think. Funny, too.

Sep 9, 8:47 PM

Ruth (Guest): Augustinian Institute publishes it. You are in my prayers. God bless! It says 2 online, but I think I am alone here now, that Jennifer forgot to sign off.

Sep 9, 10:36 PM

Dawn (Guest): Looks like you all had a good chat tonight. sorry I missed, came down with a cold yesterday, and while I was waiting to sign in, I fell asleep. always good to read everyones comments. God Bless and goodnight