We have been discussing a lot lately about these extraordinary inspirations. Though St. Francis presents it as something only few can do, do you feel at all as if this should be the “ordinary” way of your spirituality, not so much in a guilt-ridden way, but by feeling compelled? Why do you think in the context of this reflection it was important for St. Francis to highlight the paradox of gentle power? (Think of the example of the what he describes as the “violence” of the Holy Spirit.) Do the ext

Oct 26, 8:35 AM

Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Do the extraordinary examples of Saints discourage you as something impossible to imitate, or do they inspire you to greatness? Or both?
If we feel moved to do something extreme, how do we judge whether it is from the Holy Spirit, or the evil one, or our own desires? How do we discern these spirits?
How is it that the servants of God who had the greatest inspirations “were the most mild and peaceable men in the world, such as as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and David?

Oct 28, 7:33 PM

Judy (Guest): Well, here I go with question 1: I do not feel that extraordinary inspirations should be the ordinary way of my spirituality because such may not be God’s will for me.He may, on rare occasions, give me such extraordinary inspiration, but only as He perceives in me the strength necessary to fulfill them.

Oct 28, 7:35 PM

VisitationSiste: I rarely receive extraordinary inspirations but they would be helpful once in a while

Oct 28, 7:37 PM

VisitationSiste: I do not think most people receive that many but saints often have locutions

Oct 28, 7:38 PM

Judy (Guest): I think that I am relieved that I do not receive extraordinary inspirations because I do not feel that I have the physical strength to do extraordinary things at this stage and state of my life.

Oct 28, 7:38 PM

Dawn (Guest): I do not feel compelled to make this my ordinary spirituality. I do trust if God inspires in me something he would give me the grace to do so

Oct 28, 7:40 PM

Judy (Guest): I feel that as I am growing older, weaker, and more infirm, that I can do with what I have and that is all.

Oct 28, 7:40 PM

Dawn (Guest): and the strength. do you think extraordinary things may be something little, or simple

Oct 28, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: ordinary in a sense is actually extraordinary – anything of the LORD is extraordinary

Oct 28, 7:41 PM

Judy (Guest): I suppose they could be. But when I think extraordinary, I think big.

Oct 28, 7:42 PM

VisitationSiste: meaning not to be taken for granted

Oct 28, 7:43 PM

Judy (Guest): Wasn’t it St. Teresa of Calcutta who said that we should do small things with great love?

Oct 28, 7:43 PM

Judy (Guest): And yet she did such extraordinary things!

Oct 28, 7:44 PM

VisitationSiste: yes

Oct 28, 7:44 PM

Dawn (Guest): good example

Oct 28, 7:45 PM

Judy (Guest): And St. Therese, the Little Flower, wanted to be a little soul.

Oct 28, 7:47 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ive considered many things, out of our sight or knowledge, occur in areas of war or oppressions

Oct 28, 7:47 PM

Judy (Guest): I am content to live my life with as deep a love as possible.

Oct 28, 7:48 PM

Ruth (Guest): I’m back, sooner than I thought. 2 Viewers? Welcome. I wonder if Sister is coming. And others who typically do.

Oct 28, 7:48 PM

Dawn (Guest): that are extraordinary....only God knows...or perhaps a few witnesses

Oct 28, 7:48 PM

VisitationSiste: I am here Ruth

Oct 28, 7:48 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth

Oct 28, 7:48 PM

Judy (Guest): I don’t aspire to greatness except in love.

Oct 28, 7:48 PM

VisitationSiste: Glad you are back.

Oct 28, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: Beautiful Judy. I always wonder about the saints and their great desires to love. I am never sure I truly love

Oct 28, 7:50 PM

Carol Ann: Hi Everyone!

Oct 28, 7:50 PM

VisitationSiste: Hi Carol Anne!

Oct 28, 7:50 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you for your openness M.

Oct 28, 7:50 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 2: The violence of the Holy Spirit, manifested in the sound of the roaring wind and the tongues of fire were not destructive but rather created in the Apsotles a new strength to go out and to preach the Gospel to all. Hi Carol Anne!

Oct 28, 7:50 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol Anne

Oct 28, 7:51 PM

Carol Ann: The fire of the Spirit burns and purifies but does not consume

Oct 28, 7:52 PM

VisitationSiste: St Francis de Sales always talks about “gentle strength”

Oct 28, 7:52 PM

Judy (Guest): The fire of the Spirit, I hope, creates in us a greater spirit of love for the Lord.

Oct 28, 7:53 PM

VisitationSiste: The Spirit also comes in a whisper as well as fire I think

Oct 28, 7:53 PM

Judy (Guest): I believe that it is this fire, the fire of love, for which we should hunger above any other.

Oct 28, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): Not sure what was happening, but this site now appears to be working (almost) normally. Hi everyone.

Oct 28, 7:54 PM

Ruth (Guest): A gentle breeze, Scripture says.

Oct 28, 7:54 PM

Carol Ann: The still small voice that you KNOW is Him

Oct 28, 7:56 PM

Ruth (Guest): If the inspiration is extraordinary it is for the individual who received it, not for all. Not even to be imitated.

Oct 28, 7:56 PM

Judy (Guest): The fire can be a tiny spark as well as a roaring conflagration. The latter would probably scare us away and so the spark is a better thing accompanied by that still small voice.

Oct 28, 7:56 PM

Dawn (Guest): the hunger to receive Jesus in the Eucharist, that he so consumes me with his life

Oct 28, 7:56 PM

Ruth (Guest): I like that Carol.

Oct 28, 7:56 PM

Carol Ann: Otherwise we would be overwhelmed and hide instead of turning to Him

Oct 28, 7:57 PM

Dawn (Guest): true Ruth, helpful insight

Oct 28, 7:58 PM

Ruth (Guest): Many people when “confronted” by angels or the voice of God were frightened.

Oct 28, 7:59 PM

Carol Ann: Because we recognize our own unworthiness and/or we do not know it is Him

Oct 28, 7:59 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 3: The extraordinary example of saints makes me feel that such inspirations might be possible for me to accompllsh. Most saints are ordinary people who accepted a challenge from the Lord to do extraordinary things.

Oct 28, 8:02 PM

VisitationSiste: The saints responded to the Lord and placed such confidence in HIm that He would accomplish things through them, by their surrender

Oct 28, 8:02 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carol Ann, wasn’t it you who said “the still small voice that you KNOW is him” ? Rossini indicates that in contemplation you just KNOW it is God at work. If you question that, that is evidence that it is not.

Oct 28, 8:03 PM

Carol Ann: I think that is easier for me with the saints from recent history because we know their biographies, not just the hagiographies and we know they struggled too

Oct 28, 8:03 PM

Ruth (Guest): But I have a little trouble with that. I would think that there needs to be some external “tests” or at least clear indicators of inspirations that come from God’s Spirit.

Oct 28, 8:03 PM

Judy (Guest): But there are some saints, St. Paul, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, Gertrude the Great, Gemma Galgani, who were given tremendous gifts from the Lord and did indeed live extraordinary lives.

Oct 28, 8:03 PM

VisitationSiste: Good point- they seem more like us- it is true

Oct 28, 8:03 PM

Carol Ann: I think you are right Ruth

Oct 28, 8:04 PM

Carol Ann: My director uses the Ignatian discernment

Oct 28, 8:05 PM

Ruth (Guest): And having a good, intelligent faith-full spiritual director can be important.

Oct 28, 8:05 PM

Judy (Guest): Some struggle is, I think, a necessary part of spiritual growth. Struggle increases our growth and as we progress through it, our trust in the Lord as well.

Oct 28, 8:06 PM

Carol Ann: The struggles if life are for us to overcome with Him, they are not punishments

Oct 28, 8:06 PM

Ruth (Guest): I am way more comfortable relating to modern or contemporary saints, too.

Oct 28, 8:06 PM

VisitationSiste: The saints struggled and suffered but they did not lose hope

Oct 28, 8:09 PM

VisitationSiste: I think if we each looked closely at each other’s lives we would find many remarkable, if not extraordinary, episodes, moments or actions.

Oct 28, 8:09 PM

Ruth (Guest): I’m not sure that we are not here, at least in part, confusing doing ordinary things extraordinarily well – lovingly – with what SFdS refers to as extraordinary inspirations.

Oct 28, 8:10 PM

Ruth (Guest): Those inspirations that may even seem to go against the “rules.

Oct 28, 8:10 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 4: We discern these spirits through intense prayer. careful; consideration of what is being asked, and the aid of a director. Something coming from God will be accompanied by an aura of peace and tranquility that fills the heart.

Oct 28, 8:10 PM

Carol Ann: Where’s the other brings confusion and fear

Oct 28, 8:12 PM

Judy (Guest): Ruth, you are right about confusing doing ordinary things with great love and and responding to extraordinary inspirations.

Oct 28, 8:12 PM

Ruth (Guest): A friend raised Catholic, has abandoned the Faith; just tries to “be good” and teach her children to “be good. She says that now she has so much more peace than when she tried to live as a Catholic. She doesn’t need Church; she doesn’t need religion, she says.

Oct 28, 8:13 PM

Dawn (Guest): so many are doing this ! I know of 2 recently also

Oct 28, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): Can we equate her “peace” or the peace of many Protestants or even Atheists with evidence of God’s inspiration of their choices?

Oct 28, 8:14 PM

Carol Ann: I wonder if she is not really searching for the core of our faith and there is no one to tell here that it exists behind everything she has abandoned. She has to look through those things, not at them

Oct 28, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): Isn’t God’s way, always the way of TRUTH?

Oct 28, 8:15 PM

Dawn (Guest): I consider the peace they may feel is ...they are no longer bothered. the evil one has won

Oct 28, 8:15 PM

Judy (Guest): How sad! They do not realize what they are missing in not having the sacramental life of the Church to strengthen then. How sad not to receive Jesus in the Eucharist, our greatest lover and nurturer of our souls!

Oct 28, 8:15 PM

Carol Ann: Yes! This is how people slowlybreplace God’s truth with their own

Oct 28, 8:16 PM

Carol Ann: Oops. Slowly replace

Oct 28, 8:16 PM

Judy (Guest): I cannot imagine life without the Eucharist!

Oct 28, 8:17 PM

Ruth (Guest): Maybe, but I’d hate to believe that he is not giving them what they need for their salvation.

Oct 28, 8:20 PM

Ruth (Guest): Judy, neither can I. The Eucharist, I think, is why I am still Catholic – in spite of having suffered considerably “at the hands of” people who supposedly represent the Church. Many examples, but one a bit easier to write about at this time, was how I was treated in a CATHOLIC hospital when doing OB/GYN compared to in a city hospital.

Oct 28, 8:21 PM

Carol Ann: We surely can be too harsh on our own

Oct 28, 8:21 PM

Ruth (Guest): In the CATHOLIC hospital the director would try to get us residents to do things that they knew “the nuns” would object to, so that it they, themselves, would not have to do it and come in bad repute with the sisters.

Oct 28, 8:23 PM

Carol Ann: Not kind at all. If it is wrong, they should not be forcing others to do it

Oct 28, 8:23 PM

Ruth (Guest): In the city hospital, supervisors who knew I was Catholic, RESPECTED my values, and did all they could to make sure I did not have to, personally, order, prescribe or perform “duties” that would conflict with my faith – even though it was happening all around me.

Oct 28, 8:24 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carol Ann, they COULDN’T FORCE me; and it COST me. But that’s OK.

Oct 28, 8:26 PM

Dawn (Guest): we need more doctors to stand up, and nurses, to refuse. thank God for you doing so

Oct 28, 8:27 PM

Ruth (Guest): I mean, it is not as it should be, but there are sacrifices one has to make in order to live uprightly, as so I accept those sacrifices, consequences, etc.

Oct 28, 8:27 PM

Ruth (Guest): and so

Oct 28, 8:28 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 5: The Servants of God who had the greatest inspirations were the most mild and peaceable men in the world, because without such peace thay would not have been able to accomplis the tasks given them by God

Oct 28, 8:29 PM

Ruth (Guest): Carol Ann, I don’t think those staff physicians, themselves, believed it to be wrong. But they were not willing to be seen by the nuns in administration as having views unacceptable to them, to the Mercy Sisters who ran the hospital.

Oct 28, 8:30 PM

Judy (Guest): Can you imagine a man like Moses being filled with fears and anxieties being able to lead the Israelites through the desert for 40 days with problems like lack of food and water, if he did not have a peaceful spirit. Withoug such peace, he would have crumbled under the stress.

Oct 28, 8:30 PM

Carol Ann: I think there is a word for that, but it’s not nice to,call people names!

Oct 28, 8:31 PM

Carol Ann: It is hard to remember just how difficult It was for Moses because we know how it turned out

Oct 28, 8:31 PM

Judy (Guest): He must have had tremendous trust in God too.

Oct 28, 8:32 PM

Judy (Guest): And that trust was probably the source of his peace.

Oct 28, 8:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): I have trouble with the examples given in this article of peace spirited Biblical Characters. Moses killed an Egyptian man, and ran off into the desert to escape – out of fear for his life. In the desert God changed him.

Oct 28, 8:33 PM

Ruth (Guest): David, arranged to have the husband of a woman he lusted after killed in battle so that he could marry that widow.

Oct 28, 8:34 PM

Judy (Guest): NO. These men were certainly not perfect, yet God chose them to be leaders of His people.

Oct 28, 8:35 PM

Carol Ann: They accomplished things in spite of their flaws because it was Christ who accomplished the work in them

Oct 28, 8:35 PM

Ruth (Guest): David, repented, AND David prior to that, had developed a strong, peaceful relationship with God. We see it in the Psalms. And in his refusal to harm the anointed king, even though that king wanted to kill him, and even though he had an opportunity to do so.

Oct 28, 8:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): Christ, himself, on the HUMAN level sprang from a long line of people who were sinners. That, in a way, is encouraging. We can follow Him, even if our “heritage” is full of defects.

Oct 28, 8:38 PM

Judy (Guest): We too have probably done things in our lives contrary to the will of God,but he still chooses us to follow Him. And praise God that He has such patience with us. May we be ever grateful for His love and His blessings.

Oct 28, 8:38 PM

Judy (Guest): Have a blessed week everyong!

Oct 28, 8:38 PM

Judy (Guest): Everyone.

Oct 28, 8:38 PM

Carol Ann: Amen, Judy!

Oct 28, 8:38 PM

Ruth (Guest): Amen, Judy!

Oct 28, 8:39 PM

Carol Ann: Oh my, it’s so late! God bless us every one!

Oct 28, 8:39 PM

Dawn (Guest): 26Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are,…1 Corin 27-28

Oct 28, 8:40 PM

Ruth (Guest): YES! Dawn.

Oct 28, 8:40 PM

Dawn (Guest): Good night everyone. thank you for all being here. God bless

Oct 28, 8:41 PM

Carol Ann: That is it in a nutshell

Oct 28, 8:41 PM

Carol Ann: Good night Dawn!

Oct 28, 8:42 PM

Ruth (Guest): God IS MERCY. God is LOVE. God is PATIENT. God is FAITHFUL, even when His people are not.

Oct 28, 8:43 PM

Carol Ann: We are so graced that usually we do not even know we are graced

Oct 28, 8:45 PM

Carol Ann: I should let you go Ruth because it is so much later where you are. We must continue to pray for or each other

Oct 28, 8:45 PM

Ruth (Guest): And that is why PRAYER, deep personal PRAYER is so important, so that we recognize the graces we have received, give THANKS, and PRAISE God, not because God needs our praises, but because it is simply the right order of things, WE need to give thanks and praise to God who made us, made the universe, and redeemed us with his own blood.

Oct 28, 8:46 PM

Carol Ann: And protects us!

Oct 28, 8:46 PM

Ruth (Guest): Ora pro invicem. Let us pray for one another. So grateful for your friendship!

Oct 28, 8:47 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good night. A blessed week.

Oct 28, 8:47 PM

Carol Ann: I don’t know what I would do without this community. Must to write it down for formation-just how many small groups the Lord has knit me into

Oct 28, 8:47 PM

Carol Ann: You too!