Saint Francis uses the analogy of heat and light to describe inspiration, describing the winter as those times that we are not receiving inspirations as readily. These types of analogies tend to make it seem as if these times are negative. Is that the case? Why does God communicate to us through inspirations? Why doesn’t God simply pull back the veil and be a little more “obvious”? Connected to that, why do you think when God appeared in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth that people still had a diffi
  • difficult time taking heed to His voice?
  • How do we, as St. Francis says, keep our “hearts open to holy inspirations”?
  • How do we distinguish between inspiration from God and deception from the Accuser?
Oct 14, 7:31 PM

Judy (Guest): Is it me or are the questions getting harder! Hi Dawn!

Oct 14, 7:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Harder- shall we go easier then?

Oct 14, 7:32 PM

Judy (Guest): Let’s see how se do tonight.

Oct 14, 7:32 PM

Dawn (Guest): I do agree, they are challenging. but good

Oct 14, 7:35 PM

VisitationSiste: Q1: on inspirations- inspirations require some faith to elieve they are from the Lord

Oct 14, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: believe

Oct 14, 7:36 PM

VisitationSiste: One can imagine they are just one’s own thoughts only

Oct 14, 7:37 PM

Carol Ann: discernment too, but first we must believe He would and does speak to us

Oct 14, 7:37 PM

Judy (Guest): I’m ready with question 1: Such times are not negative. We may not be receiving any new inspirations, but we have the time and energy to reflect at length about the most recent revelation and to absorb it, making it active in our lives. Does the inspiration lead us to desire or to enter into a deeper relationship with the Lord? We have time to do so. Does it prod us to take some course of action, e.g. campaigning for a political candidate who is promoting better morals in the country, e.g. ending abortion.

Oct 14, 7:40 PM

VisitationSiste: That is a way to discern them, Judy Thank you

Oct 14, 7:41 PM

VisitationSiste: Sometimes when another Sister has the same thought we see that it might very well be from the Lord

Oct 14, 7:42 PM

VisitationSiste: Or when severalof us are thinking about the same person and mention it we know we need topray for that person

Oct 14, 7:42 PM

Carol Ann: He tells more than one person as a safeguard when it is not a personal revelation?

Oct 14, 7:44 PM

Lisa C: I cannot find the reading for this chat

Oct 14, 7:44 PM

VisitationSiste: I will put the link Lisa in a minute

Oct 14, 7:45 PM

Dawn (Guest): I would understand this as the Holy Spirit moving among a group of those in are in prayer

Oct 14, 7:45 PM

Judy (Guest): Treatise Book 8 Chapter 10

Oct 14, 7:45 PM

Lisa C: thanks

Oct 14, 7:46 PM

VisitationSiste: The Lord is creative – He finds ways to reach us

Oct 14, 7:48 PM

Carol Ann: songs on the radio work with me

Oct 14, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: Ah! Interesting!

Oct 14, 7:50 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 2: By using inspirations, God is moving us to act out of faith. If He were to be more obvious, there would be less of a challenge to our faith and hence a lesser need to have His guidance and direction. While, in a sense, He is leaving us to our own devices in making the inspiration our own, or a part of us, still He remains with us giving us further inspiration in the form of guidance as to how to handle the initial inspiration.

Oct 14, 7:51 PM

Carol Ann: i find myself singing various songs to myself at different times-they just pop into my head. they seem to be a good indicator of where i am at. Jesus friend of sinners always brings me up short!

Oct 14, 7:51 PM

Lisa C: I do not see the questions

Oct 14, 7:52 PM

Judy (Guest): Scroll up, Lisa. The questions are at the top of this.

Oct 14, 7:53 PM

VisitationSiste: Welcome viewers

Oct 14, 7:54 PM

VisitationSiste: I will repost the questions

Oct 14, 7:54 PM

VisitationSiste: Saint Francis uses the analogy of heat and light to describe inspiration, describing the winter as those times that we are not receiving inspirations as readily. These types of analogies tend to make it seem as if these times are negative. Is that the case? Why does God communicate to us through inspirations? Why doesn’t God simply pull back the veil and be a little more “obvious”? Connected to that, why do you think when God appeared in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth that people still had a diffi

Oct 14, 7:54 PM

Lisa C: The reading from 1 Kings reminds me of the twin towers falling. That was like the wind tearing the mountains apart, and fire, etc. The whisper afterward was God using it to bring people back to Him. So many people came back to the Church.

Oct 14, 7:54 PM

VisitationSiste: difficult time taking heed to His voice?
How do we, as St. Francis says, keep our “hearts open to holy inspirations”?
How do we distinguish between inspiration from God and deception from the Accuser?

Oct 14, 7:55 PM

Lisa C: thanks

Oct 14, 7:56 PM

VisitationSiste: Jennifer welcome back!

Oct 14, 7:56 PM

Jennifer Koo: Thank you Mother

Oct 14, 7:56 PM

Carol Ann: to keep our hearts open we must pray without ceasing , study the Word and the early Fathers, contemplate,

Oct 14, 7:57 PM

Lisa C: I think part of why God does not “pull the curtain back” is because we would die if we saw Him before our sins are paid for. They are forgiven by Jesus dying, but we still have to pay for them in purgatory.

Oct 14, 7:57 PM

Jennifer Koo: Hi Carol Ann

Oct 14, 7:57 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes discernment is ongoing and so discerning God;s voice in an inspiration is helped by the open heart

Oct 14, 7:57 PM

Judy (Guest): When God appeared in human condition, people had trouble accepting His voice-His directions, teachings, admonisions, because He was not what they were expecting. They were looking for a militry leader who would lead to the crushing of the Roman Empire and restoring their freedom to live a wholly Jewish life.

Oct 14, 7:58 PM

Judy (Guest): Admonitions

Oct 14, 7:58 PM

Lisa C: It’s also about free will. If we saw God in all His awesomeness, we would not really be making a choice to follow Him, we would be overpowered into following Him.

Oct 14, 7:59 PM

Dawn (Guest): He was speaking the Truth, how convicting

Oct 14, 7:59 PM

Lisa C: It is too much for us. After the fall, we were separated, because our sin makes us unworthy. We have to get completely Holy to see Him.

Oct 14, 8:00 PM

Carol Ann: but sometimes He grants a glimpse and upholds us as He does so

Oct 14, 8:01 PM

Lisa C: Not following Jesus when He came in the flesh is probably about not wanting to hear the truth. Why do so many people ignore the parts of Catholicism they do not like or are hard?

Oct 14, 8:01 PM

Judy (Guest): Keeping our hearts open to holy inspirations is truly work. Prayer must be part of it, asking God to help us to keep our hearts thus opened. Then we need to pay more attention to what is entering the mind asking the LOrd to help us to see if this is an inspiration from Him. Spend some time with the inspiration then seek guidance from a wiser individual or a spiritual director. Sometimes an objective outsider can help to clarify and make certain what we are experiencing.

Oct 14, 8:01 PM

VisitationSiste: When a visionary receives an apparition they are often overpowered, it is true

Oct 14, 8:02 PM

Dawn (Guest): Was thinking of St Teresa Avila today, and will need to find and read excat quote. it was about doing or being in purgatory here, while we are on earth

Oct 14, 8:03 PM

Lisa C: Yes, Dawn, we can do penance now. I do not know how we would ever know how much is enough.

Oct 14, 8:03 PM

Lisa C: Maybe we could not do enough unless we had horrible suffering.

Oct 14, 8:04 PM

Carol Ann: the purifying fire of the Spirit would purify us, but how is a mystery

Oct 14, 8:05 PM

Judy (Guest): Perhaps the Lord Himself will give us exactly what we need to do to make up for our sins.

Oct 14, 8:05 PM

Lisa C: Our hearts are open if we stay in contact with God and pray (especially the rosary) and receive the sacrements.

Oct 14, 8:05 PM

Dawn (Guest): a thoughtful question , how would we know?

Oct 14, 8:05 PM

Lisa C: Dawn, I do not think we could know, but if our conscience is guilty we probably have not done enough.

Oct 14, 8:07 PM

VisitationSiste: It is a delicate question- often loving souls choose their own penances, when God wants them to experience something He sends as penance

Oct 14, 8:07 PM

Carol Ann: how?

Oct 14, 8:07 PM

Lisa C: Hair shirts

Oct 14, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: Kidding, but not kidding

Oct 14, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: Doing hard things, Little Flower sometimes did not drink when she was thirsty

Oct 14, 8:08 PM

Lisa C: Fasting

Oct 14, 8:09 PM

Judy (Guest): The Lord might want us to experience a bad case of hives to make up for some sin. We might not recognize this is a penance, but it surely is.

Oct 14, 8:09 PM

Lisa C: Helping people like Mother Theresa

Oct 14, 8:09 PM

VisitationSiste: There can be self- will in self-chosen penances

Oct 14, 8:10 PM

Carol Ann: i remember for a while i felt instructed to abstain on Fridays even though it was not Lent and did so for a long time, until i was pretty much told to stop

Oct 14, 8:10 PM

Lisa C: Offering up painful things uniting them to the suffering of Jesus

Oct 14, 8:11 PM

Dawn (Guest): just thought of Ruth

Oct 14, 8:11 PM

Lisa C: I think if we pray a lot we are open to God’s inspirations. We are with Him by choice so when He wants to tell us something we are likely to listen.

Oct 14, 8:12 PM

Carol Ann: Ruth would have many things to say about this topic!

Oct 14, 8:13 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes neither Ruth nor Brian are here tonight

Oct 14, 8:15 PM

Judy (Guest): Hitting the last questionL It is not always east to distinguish between a deving inspiration and a suggestion from the Accuser. The first thing we might ask is “Is this a good thing? Secondly, is it in keeping with the Commandments of God, the teachings of jesus and the teachings of the Church? Will it add to the well being of another, will it contribute to intellectual or spiritual development of others.

Oct 14, 8:15 PM

Judy (Guest): It is not always easy

Oct 14, 8:15 PM

Judy (Guest): divine

Oct 14, 8:15 PM

Jennifer Koo: It’s difficult.

Oct 14, 8:16 PM

VisitationSiste: Good points. There is also a certain sense one builds up inside- but it is true that even saints had to test the inspiration or even apparition- to be sure

Oct 14, 8:16 PM

Jennifer Koo: Sometimes, we might not be sure.

Oct 14, 8:17 PM

Judy (Guest): Again, it might be helpful, or even advisable to seek the help of a spiritual director in such an instance.

Oct 14, 8:18 PM

Jennifer Koo: Yes

Oct 14, 8:18 PM

Carol Ann: i agree Judy, it is to easy to be deceived if we do not share our inspirations and revelations with someone well trained in discernment

Oct 14, 8:18 PM

VisitationSiste: I agree as well

Oct 14, 8:18 PM

Lisa C: “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight” (Proverbs 3:5-6).

Oct 14, 8:19 PM

Lisa C: Faith that God will lead you, lets Him lead you

Oct 14, 8:20 PM

Dawn (Guest): yes, and by talking with a SD, just by this the light is shined, what I mean is the accuser likes to remain hidden...

Oct 14, 8:20 PM

Judy (Guest): I am reminded of an old song: No man is an island, no man stands alone. Surely we do not stand alone in our striving to know the Lord better, in coming to know whether something is from God or from the evil one.

Oct 14, 8:21 PM

VisitationSiste: Bringing all before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament may also help

Oct 14, 8:22 PM

Jennifer Koo: Good suggestion

Oct 14, 8:23 PM

Lisa C: I think wearing the brown scapula keeps the devil away

Oct 14, 8:24 PM

Lisa C: Consecration to Mary

Oct 14, 8:24 PM

VisitationSiste: Does everyone hereknow about the scapular ofOur Lady?

Oct 14, 8:24 PM

Lisa C: Having the Sacred Heart enthroned in your home

Oct 14, 8:24 PM

Dawn (Guest): from Carmel?

Oct 14, 8:25 PM

Carol Ann: i have had one in the past and know that there are brown scapulars and green

Oct 14, 8:25 PM

Judy (Guest): I wish I could get to the Shrine to spend time before the Blessed Sacrament. But I would have to take a cab both ways which would be about $16 for each round trip. I could never afford that. So I have to create a picture of the tabernacle in my mind or direct my attention to the statue of the Sacred Heart which I have in my living room.

Oct 14, 8:25 PM

Lisa C: I always spell it wrong....I get confused with the bone

Oct 14, 8:26 PM

Jennifer Koo: Basically two types, the monastic and devotional

Oct 14, 8:26 PM

Dawn (Guest): I have a scapular and wanted to be vested in it, as I asked a priest if he would, then others said no you do not need to do that. it would be good to know the truth about it

Oct 14, 8:26 PM

Lisa C: When St. T of L’s relics came to NY I touched my scapular to them.

Oct 14, 8:27 PM

Jennifer Koo: There are 18 small scapulars approved by the Roman Church.

Oct 14, 8:28 PM

VisitationSiste: Wow! Did not know that Jennifer

Oct 14, 8:28 PM

Dawn (Guest): oh, a good link! thank you

Oct 14, 8:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): what are the small scapulars ?

Oct 14, 8:30 PM

Lisa C: before our first communion we got a missal, a rosary, and a scapular

Oct 14, 8:30 PM

Jennifer Koo: The devotional, to wear like two little pendant

Oct 14, 8:30 PM

Judy (Guest): Let us keep the ears of our hearts open to hear the inspirations of the Lord as He presents them to us and pray for discernment when they do come to be sure that they are truly from the Lord. Let us pray for each other. Have a blessed week, everyone!

Oct 14, 8:31 PM

Carol Ann: God bless us, every one. Let’s pray for each other!

Oct 14, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes and as it is the month of October and the Rosary, stay close to Blessed Mother!

Oct 14, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: God bless!

Oct 14, 8:31 PM

Carol Ann: i seem to be undergoing a test, so I am holding Jesus hand without worrying too mch about what the test is

Oct 14, 8:31 PM

Judy (Guest): There is a catalog from the Leaflet Missal company. You will find a number of scapulars in it.

Oct 14, 8:31 PM

Lisa C: Scapular is very powerful

Oct 14, 8:32 PM

Lisa C: The brown one

Oct 14, 8:33 PM

Dawn (Guest): prayers, for those here and those not, tonight.

Oct 14, 8:36 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you all, good night