Saint Francis says that,You have no obligation to make any vow at all, yet make some.... What kind of vows should we be expected to take? What should we aim for here? Going out of your way to help strangers, like Abraham did, is virtuous. However, how can we go out of our way when, in today’s world, we must be careful about personal safety? Saint Francis says,Virtues have then a certain sphere of perfection, and commonly we are not obliged to practise them to the height of their excellence.

VisitationSiste: But he says we can advance to perfection if we do follow them. How does this approach match up with what our secular world seems to tell us – that an easier life is a better life? Especially when it comes to the problems of family life?It seems that some people have more difficult circumstances in life to deal with than others. How can they fulfill the saint’s challenge to reach for the perfection of the counsels? Do they need to “do more?On the other hand, what about those whose life circumstances have be

 been more or less an easier road to hoe, so to speak?
Oct 7, 7:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hello Sister, I’m on time for a change. But not really. I should be jumping up to do some cooking – for myself and for an SSJ Harvest Dinner that I have to leave for around 7:30 AM tomorrow.

Oct 7, 7:32 PM

VisitationSiste: You can stay for a while and then cook?

Oct 7, 7:35 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes. I meant that I would probably be interrupting my participation in the chat from time to time. But I should know better. That doesn’t work. Even if I have an apple or something by my side to munch on I don’t do it ‘til we are finished.

Oct 7, 7:43 PM
Ruth (Guest): Interesting topic, about sort of modulating – because of necessities of life – one’s practice of virtues, even though we each are called to perfection.

Oct 7, 7:44 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi Lisa!

Oct 7, 7:45 PM

Ruth (Guest): I am currently reading a novel by Ann Rice called The Young Messiah. I’d never read anything else she’s written and Dr. Maura (theology prof.) said she is a convert to Christianity, that she used to write about vampires and such!

Oct 7, 7:46 PM

Dawn (Guest): the 1st question, what kind of vows should we be expected to take? what should we aim for here? I would answer, what God has placed on your heart to do or abstain from.

Oct 7, 7:47 PM

VisitationSiste: Q one- not everyone needs to take vows but they are included in several life styles- but virtue- we may all strive for

Oct 7, 7:47 PM

Ruth (Guest): I think the story is well written – sort of a historical novel, in that you get a sense of family life and the upheaval in the national environment (constant war) of the time.

Oct 7, 7:49 PM

Lisa C: It seems as if so many have given up on striving for virtue.

Oct 7, 7:49 PM

Ruth (Guest): I mentioned the book because Rice has Joseph – who speaks not a word in the Bible – turn down work shortly after they get to Nazareth – in a nearby burned out village, because he has to first fix up the old family home in which “Old Sarah” and the extended family they travel with.

Oct 7, 7:49 PM

VisitationSiste: True Lisa

Oct 7, 7:50 PM

Lisa C: Why don’t people think it matters anymore?

Oct 7, 7:50 PM

VisitationSiste: Culture never speaks of it, at least not much

Oct 7, 7:50 PM

Lisa C: How can they not see that lack of virtue separates them from God?

Oct 7, 7:51 PM

Dawn (Guest): is this a new novel she has written? I enjoyed the other two, Christ The Lord Out of Egypt and The Road To Cana.

Oct 7, 7:51 PM

Lisa C: The reality of sin is being ignored.

Oct 7, 7:51 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, after reading the first 200+ pages of the novel I get a much better sense of how CULTURE contributes to the formation of people – what they value, what they strive for.

Oct 7, 7:53 PM

Lisa C: It was wonderful being sheltered/separated from culture in a holy monastery school.

Oct 7, 7:53 PM

Lisa C: Virtue was important there

Oct 7, 7:53 PM

Ruth (Guest): Dawn, I think this one used to be called Christ the Lord Out of Egypt. That is the period it treats, anyway. Jesus is 7 years old going on 8.

Oct 7, 7:53 PM

Dawn (Guest): Many do not see sin, their own or the sin around them. they just do not see.

Oct 7, 7:53 PM

Lisa C: They must see, but not care.

Oct 7, 7:54 PM

VisitationSiste: Need to step away a few minutes

Oct 7, 7:55 PM

Ruth (Guest): Yes, I have seen from some of your comments in the past, what a special experience it was for you attending the Visitation Monastery School.

Oct 7, 7:56 PM

Dawn (Guest): A true blessing to attend their monastery school

Oct 7, 7:57 PM

Dawn (Guest): did you start from kindergarten, Lisa

Oct 7, 7:58 PM

Lisa C: They did not have a kindergarten back then. School began at first grade at VA at that time.

Oct 7, 7:59 PM

Dawn (Guest): my older sister attended all Catholic schools, they were not in a monastery. and a cousin whom my mother loved as her own.

Oct 7, 8:00 PM

Dawn (Guest): I believe it made a big difference in their life

Oct 7, 8:05 PM

Ruth (Guest): I am glad to hear that Dawn. I did not go to a Catholic School until I was already in 11th grade. A neighbor helped get me admitted – and my summer work helped pay for it. I am glad I went. But at my 50 year reunion and since, I discovered that a great number of my classmates were no longer practicing Catholics. Only one – a person who even then saw herself as an “outsider” revealed herself to be really interested in living a life leading to eternal life.

Oct 7, 8:07 PM

Ruth (Guest): And there are so very many people who say they were “raised Catholic. Meaning they do not now regard themselves to be Catholic.

Oct 7, 8:08 PM

Ruth (Guest): Maybe it was a good thing that I had constant challenges to my developing interest in learning THE TRUTH. The answers to “WHY? questions.

Oct 7, 8:08 PM

Ruth (Guest): Good, but also hard. And sometimes lonely.

Oct 7, 8:10 PM

Ruth (Guest): I had to step away for a minute or so, too, to put the meat I was defrosting into the refrigerator.

Oct 7, 8:10 PM

VisitationSiste: I am back

Oct 7, 8:11 PM

Dawn (Guest): Neither my sister nor cousin went on to be practicing the faith, meaning somewhere along the road they each stopped attending Mass. But we never know how God is working in someones soul. Yes, having life challenges ...but the the hunger to know the truth is not something someone can give you. I believe it comes from the Holy Spirit

Oct 7, 8:11 PM

VisitationSiste: What question are we on

Oct 7, 8:11 PM

Dawn (Guest): I think we wandered off the question

Oct 7, 8:12 PM

VisitationSiste: Ok!

Oct 7, 8:12 PM

Ruth (Guest): Saint Francis says that,You have no obligation to make any vow at all, yet make some.... What kind of vows should we be expected to take? What should we aim for here?
Going out of your way to help strangers, like Abraham did, is virtuous. However, how can we go out of our way when, in today’s world, we must be careful about personal safety?

Oct 7, 8:13 PM

VisitationSiste: Trust is essntial but so is caution

Oct 7, 8:13 PM

Lisa C: I think that when we are helping someone they can usually tell. People who would normally be threatening become calm.

Oct 7, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): Daniel in the Lion’s Den.

Oct 7, 8:14 PM

Lisa C: God protects us when we are working for Him.

Oct 7, 8:14 PM

Ruth (Guest): It’s like even the Lions knew he was a man of peace.

Oct 7, 8:15 PM

Lisa C: Of course we should not be reckless.

Oct 7, 8:15 PM

VisitationSiste: Depends where you live, too. Although violence does pervade many places- still I think of our Srs in Minneapolis- nuns in the hood, they are called- they have a peace and security within

Oct 7, 8:15 PM

Ruth (Guest): Lisa, I wish that I experienced that protection. Sure, I am still alive, but this century, already, has more martyrs than during the Roman persecutions.

Oct 7, 8:16 PM

VisitationSiste: Violence is around but they search for the good in the person and lives are changed

Oct 7, 8:16 PM

Ruth (Guest): I feel that that is what Brian does, too.

Oct 7, 8:16 PM

Ruth (Guest): I am so glad to hear that about the Srs in Minneapolis.

Oct 7, 8:17 PM

Ruth (Guest): Are they partly active?

Oct 7, 8:17 PM

VisitationSiste: You are right Ruth Brian does do that!

Oct 7, 8:17 PM

Lisa C: Maybe I am naive, but somehow not thinking someone will hurt you makes them behave better.

Oct 7, 8:17 PM

VisitationSiste: They have a ministry of presence

Oct 7, 8:18 PM

Ruth (Guest): At least I twice I was robbed, once at gunpoint, when I was really, really thinking positive thoughts about the person who became my assailant.

Oct 7, 8:18 PM

VisitationSiste: 3rd q Saint Francis says,Virtues have then a certain sphere of perfection, and commonly we are not obliged to practise them to the height of their excellence. But he says we can advance to perfection if we do follow them. How does this approach match up with what our secular world seems to tell us – that an easier life is a better life? Especially when it comes to the problems of family life?

Oct 7, 8:18 PM

Lisa C: Sorry that happened Ruth

Oct 7, 8:19 PM

Lisa C: I do not think it matches up with our secular world

Oct 7, 8:20 PM

VisitationSiste: hello guest!

Oct 7, 8:20 PM

Lisa C: Catholics are called to behave according to God’s will for them. That might not be the easier path.

Oct 7, 8:20 PM

Dawn (Guest): I think of St Catherine of Sienna saying..and the sisters in Minn, start being brave about everything!

Oct 7, 8:21 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Hi Everybody ! God Bless You All ! Sorry I missed Chat just got out of late Mass at St Michaels downtown Buffalo !

Oct 7, 8:21 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi Brian!

Oct 7, 8:21 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Hi Dawn !

Oct 7, 8:21 PM

VisitationSiste: Just mentioned you Brian

Oct 7, 8:22 PM

Ruth (Guest): Hi Brian.

Oct 7, 8:22 PM

Lisa C: God knows when we will die, we cannot stop it.

Oct 7, 8:22 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Hi Sister Susan , Lisa , and Ruth !

Oct 7, 8:22 PM

Lisa C: My Grandfather used to say,When it is your time, it is your time.

Oct 7, 8:23 PM

Dawn (Guest): a deep, and truth, Lisa. Jesus tells us so many times to be not afraid

Oct 7, 8:24 PM

Lisa C: St. Pope JPII used to say,Do not be afraid.

Oct 7, 8:24 PM

Dawn (Guest): I never thought of it in those words, we can not stop it

Oct 7, 8:24 PM

Lisa C: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

Lisa C: Romans 8:38

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): We all want to finish strong for Our Lord Jesus no matter how much time God provides us !!!!

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

Ruth (Guest): I was just trying to see if I could share a sermon from FB to this site. Not sure how. It addresses the issue of not taking the “easy” path but the one that is in tune with God’s will

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Amen Lisa !!!

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

VisitationSiste: The secular world is for the “good life” not meaning virtuous but enjoyable

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

Ruth (Guest): Not sure how to share it outside that platform.

Oct 7, 8:25 PM

Dawn (Guest): Amen

Oct 7, 8:26 PM

VisitationSiste: We forget that trials bring us closer to God if we let them, but depending on Him

Oct 7, 8:26 PM

Ruth (Guest): And God’s Love is who he is. He is present EVERYWHERE. That, too, is part of his nature.

Oct 7, 8:26 PM

Lisa C: Romans 8:31 1 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

Oct 7, 8:26 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Your right Sister and Jesus offers us a Full Life !!!

Oct 7, 8:27 PM

Lisa C: If we have faith, what can hurt us? Not even death.

Oct 7, 8:27 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Amen Lisa !!!

Oct 7, 8:27 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Amen Ruth !!!

Oct 7, 8:28 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Have Faith in God !!!!

Oct 7, 8:28 PM

Dawn (Guest): this chat session seems to have gone by quickly!

Oct 7, 8:28 PM

Lisa C: Isaiah 43:1Don’t fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name; you are Mine.

Oct 7, 8:29 PM

VisitationSiste: We did not even finish this time! I mean the questions!

Oct 7, 8:29 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Amen Lisa !!!

Oct 7, 8:29 PM

Ruth (Guest): I often think, however, that it is only the in the Next Life that we can count on these blessings. He never promised us a rose garden. (book title and reflection about outcomes.

Oct 7, 8:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): we didn’t!

Oct 7, 8:29 PM

Dawn (Guest): could we next week?

Oct 7, 8:29 PM

Ruth (Guest): There were a lot of ‘em and a long piece. And we didn’t have Judy to keep us on pace.

Oct 7, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Yes w ecan continue next week and maybe Judy will be back

Oct 7, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: They were very- true

Oct 7, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Lisa come back when you can You are missed!

Oct 7, 8:30 PM

VisitationSiste: Thank you everyone

Oct 7, 8:30 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): We are like those Firefighters at 911 God is sending up the steps with great suffering ahead Soo that others can go down into God’s arms forever !!!!

Oct 7, 8:31 PM

Lisa C: Thank you, Mother I miss all of you too

Oct 7, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: I go to MN again Tues- FRi but should be here Sun

Oct 7, 8:31 PM

VisitationSiste: Blessings and prayers!

Oct 7, 8:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you all. I hope you come back Lisa. and all of us.

Oct 7, 8:31 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): God Bless You Lisa ! You always Shine for Jesus !!!!

Oct 7, 8:32 PM

Lisa C: Thank you

Oct 7, 8:32 PM

Ruth (Guest): Just tried to copy and paste Mother Theresa’s reflections from my photo file ==that fit in well with our theme. Platform doesn’t allow it. If I had the link. . . Maybe I

Oct 7, 8:32 PM

Lisa C: Jesus’ Bible shines

Oct 7, 8:32 PM

Dawn (Guest): Amen

Oct 7, 8:33 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): God Bless You Sister Susan , Dawn , Lisa , Ruth !!!!

Oct 7, 8:33 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you for coming Brian. God bless you !

Oct 7, 8:34 PM

Guest5623 (Guest): Keep Shining for Jesus Everbody !!!!

Oct 7, 8:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): Thank you Sister.

Oct 7, 8:34 PM

Ruth (Guest): Safe travels!

Oct 7, 8:34 PM

Dawn (Guest): Ruth thank you for trying to share Mother Theresas refections

Oct 7, 8:37 PM

Ruth (Guest): Maybe I can find a link. Here’s one http://www.prayerfoundation.org/mother_teresa_do_it_anyway.htm

Oct 7, 8:38 PM

Dawn (Guest): thank you.....on my way to read

Oct 7, 8:39 PM

Ruth (Guest): I have some cooking to do . . . partly for myself, partly for the Harvest Dinner tomorrow. Peace. A blessed week.

Oct 7, 8:40 PM

Dawn (Guest): Peace be with you. blessings and prayers..... and a goodnight