Why is obedience so important? Isn’t it just a way of not thinking for ourselves and doing what others tell us? Saint Francis mentions the humility and obedience of a person makes them stand out positively. Is this just because people like the person who does what they say? In other words: How is Simeon Stylites (from the story about) different from a “Yes-Man”? Is all this talk of commandments and obedience simply an indicator that Christianity is a religion of “follow the rules”? We have been di

We have been discussing a lot lately about these extraordinary inspirations. Though St. Francis presents it as something only few can do, do you feel at all as if this should be the “ordinary” way of your spirituality, not so much in a guilt-ridden way, but by feeling compelled?
Speaking in terms of vocations (married, religious, clergy, single), in what ways does obedience uniquely manifest for people? In which ways are they similar?
Nov 4, 7:31 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): How did you find the questions? I think they are a bit easier

Nov 4, 7:31 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Hi Alice!

Nov 4, 7:31 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Hello Sister!

Nov 4, 7:33 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Shall we begin with the question on obedience? The word comes from the word for listening, attentive listening I believe

Nov 4, 7:33 PM

Judy (Guest): OK, here goes question 1, a short answer. Obedience is so important because it is a sign of humility. The one who is truly humble submits willingly and joyfully to the directives of those in authority recognizing that such directives are guides to holiness.

Nov 4, 7:33 PM

Judy (Guest): Hello Alice! Welcome to our chat room!

Nov 4, 7:34 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Hi Judy

Nov 4, 7:34 PM

Judy (Guest): Chime in any time.

Nov 4, 7:35 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I specifically chose to attend this chat on obedience. I feel it’s so important

Nov 4, 7:35 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): In religious life obedience is the key evangelical counsel. Doing God,s will is everything and we learn that by listening, by obedience

Nov 4, 7:36 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): But in all of life listening is essential, therefore obedience is essential

Nov 4, 7:36 PM

Judy (Guest): What makes it important for you Alice?

Nov 4, 7:38 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I feel it is the cornerstone of our faith Judy and one I struggle with. If I can just be obedient to authority of Christ everything else will fall into place

Nov 4, 7:40 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Does this also apply to our workplace? Sorry I didn’t read whole article

Nov 4, 7:40 PM

Judy (Guest): Surely the Commandments must be something that you obey.

Nov 4, 7:41 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Yes As listening is important in all arenas of life

Nov 4, 7:41 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): It is not thoughtless obedience, or listening but taking what one hears to heart and living from it, in Union with the Lord or the person one obeys

Nov 4, 7:42 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I see

Nov 4, 7:42 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Is that how you understand it Judy

Nov 4, 7:43 PM

Judy (Guest): In the case of obedience to the Lord, love for Him is the key reason for our obedience.

Nov 4, 7:43 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): In the workplace it is possible that orders are given in rougher ways that one finds hard to accept

Nov 4, 7:44 PM

Judy (Guest): Yes, Mother. We do not obey just out of some type of slavish mind set, but consider carefully what we are being asked to do and shy.

Nov 4, 7:44 PM

Judy (Guest): Oops-and why.

Nov 4, 7:44 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Open hearts are essential

Nov 4, 7:45 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): But our all too human wills often get in the way

Nov 4, 7:45 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I as a nurse, some orders are hard to follow on end of life issues

Nov 4, 7:45 PM

Judy (Guest): In the workplace, we might be asked to do something that is immoral. In that we probably do need to obey. The matter needs to be discussed with the one in authority.

Nov 4, 7:45 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): Hi Sister Susan , Judy , and Alice ! God Bless You ! Brian

Nov 4, 7:46 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Hi Brian

Nov 4, 7:46 PM

Judy (Guest): HI Brian! Welcome aboard.

Nov 4, 7:46 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): yes true. Hi Brian!

Nov 4, 7:47 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Years ago at work I was aked to fire a woman just before she would have reached retirement age and could have collected benefits I could not do that

Nov 4, 7:47 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Sometimes things are a justice issue

Nov 4, 7:47 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: What happened then Sister?

Nov 4, 7:47 PM

Judy (Guest): Yes. Alice, end of life issues are most difficult. You need to be clear in presenting your position.

Nov 4, 7:47 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): She kept her job

Nov 4, 7:48 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Well that had a good ending! Yes Judy and I work for a mostly place

Nov 4, 7:49 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): Praise God Sister Susan for you standing up for her !

Nov 4, 7:49 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: That’s Catholic place

Nov 4, 7:49 PM

Judy (Guest): Thank God for that!

Nov 4, 7:50 PM

Judy (Guest): No matter whet the situation, the will of God must come first.

Nov 4, 7:50 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Absolutely

Nov 4, 7:50 PM

Judy (Guest): What the situation.

Nov 4, 7:52 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: It’s a sketchy line between giving comfort care and no additional care

Nov 4, 7:52 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Hownto know?

Nov 4, 7:52 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: But I think my main concern is in all areas- doing His will

Nov 4, 7:52 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): I resonate with that one Alice

Nov 4, 7:53 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): To know His will sometimes that is not someasy

Nov 4, 7:53 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): So easy

Nov 4, 7:53 PM

Judy (Guest): Question 2: Humility and obedience of persons make them stand out positively because it sets them apart from the those who think they know everything and are bent on doing as they please regardless of the results or the affects they have on others. A “YesMan” acts out of a need to be recognized for his goodness even if his motives are prideful and self-centered. He wants to be patted on the back as it were.

Nov 4, 7:54 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Sister when people are ill they have legal paperwork stating what care they want. It sometimes states no antibiotic, no hospital, no food or drink desired

Nov 4, 7:54 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Yes I have dealt with this with our Sisters

Nov 4, 7:55 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): But it must be even harder when you do not know the person

Nov 4, 7:55 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I just don’t want them going in pain

Nov 4, 7:56 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): When did all these personal instructions start and was that from God? Years ago we left all to the doctors but today we make our own choices

Nov 4, 7:56 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I was thinking that!

Nov 4, 7:56 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): Soo important for us to be Servant Leaders as Jesus teaches us to be . Friend of mine who was high up in Tire Business said that the Businesses That were Servant oriented would do there best to keep all their employees through rough times . When business improved the business would take off because they had all their people in place . The authoritative companies would fire everybody in rough times . Then when business improved it would take months for them to hire new people and train them . Way behind !

Nov 4, 7:56 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): I understand Alice, the other day our Sister was in pain

Nov 4, 7:57 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Interesting Brian!

Nov 4, 7:58 PM

Judy (Guest): I think that the hardest thing is when the patient requests no food or drink. That is tantamount to suicide since one cannot live without food or water. How can one comply with such a request!

Nov 4, 7:58 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I went to the hospital for a small procedure and was asked if I had a end of life plan! I’m 61 and it was a CAT scan. What the heck could go wrong

Nov 4, 7:58 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Exactly Judy!

Nov 4, 7:59 PM

Judy (Guest): You could be allergic to the dye if contrast is used.

Nov 4, 7:59 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Suppose a feeding tube is needed where does that fit in All these difficult options

Nov 4, 8:00 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Yes I know Judy but that didn’t make me feel confident! Lol

Nov 4, 8:01 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): and where is humility in all of this

Nov 4, 8:01 PM

Judy (Guest): I am beginning to see that the more we know, the more we have to worry about. Life is getting more and more complicated!

Nov 4, 8:01 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Sister when my dad was dying of Alzheimer’s, he stopped eating. I requested a feeding tube or an IV for fluid but was out voted by my siblings. I may have been selfish. I don’t know

Nov 4, 8:02 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Near death people cannot take food in but earlier than that I believe they can

Nov 4, 8:02 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): With the increase in organ donation. There has been a frightening increase in Brain Death Protocal . The Brain can repair itself in time in many cases not all . People are often pronounced brain dead and they make a lot of money from organ donation . Very scary stuff !!!

Nov 4, 8:03 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): yes indeed

Nov 4, 8:03 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Where is the absolute answer on this and more? The Bible? The Church?

Nov 4, 8:03 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): The Church studies this very carefully

Nov 4, 8:03 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: True Brian

Nov 4, 8:04 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: It seems the Church says no extra measures if someone is dying

Nov 4, 8:04 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Inremember St John Paul ii

Nov 4, 8:04 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): He made a statement about food and water

Nov 4, 8:04 PM

Judy (Guest): Possibly checking with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops would be helpful. They have many documents on all types of issues.

Nov 4, 8:04 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Should not be deprived of that

Nov 4, 8:04 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Good idea Judy

Nov 4, 8:05 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: thanks Judy

Nov 4, 8:06 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Because our Church has changed so much, I sometimes look back for answers

Nov 4, 8:06 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Obedience is a good topic

Nov 4, 8:07 PM

Judy (Guest): Getting on to Question 3: While there is an aspect of following the rules (commandments) in Christianity,it is the reason that sets the Christian apart and that reason is love. He obeys out of love for God Who has given the commandments, or the rules of a religious congregation set forth by its founders or superiors, as it were, in the name of God.

Nov 4, 8:08 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Sometimes people feel our Church has too many rules but they do not understand the thinking and prayer behind them

Nov 4, 8:09 PM

Judy (Guest): I do feel lthat obedience to the commandments should be the ordinary way of spiritualitiy for me and for anyone bearing the name Christian. To ignore or act against the commandments is to ignore or turn one’s back on God Whom he professes to love. Love an obedience go hand in hand.

Nov 4, 8:09 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Yes the commandments are basic

Nov 4, 8:09 PM

Judy (Guest): Love and obedience.

Nov 4, 8:10 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I feel our Church doesn’t have enough rules right now. As evidenced by the clothes people wear to Mass

Nov 4, 8:10 PM

Judy (Guest): That’s one that bugs me too, Alice.

Nov 4, 8:10 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: But yes the commandments are a good place to start

Nov 4, 8:11 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Si think cultures have something to do with that too Certain ones really dress up beautifully for Mass others go super casual

Nov 4, 8:11 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): It’s possible to follow all the rules and never really know God ! Jesus warned us of this !

Nov 4, 8:11 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): But yes a parish or Monastery could have a dress. Code

Nov 4, 8:12 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): True BRian!

Nov 4, 8:12 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Remember years ago there was a sign at the back of the Church with the dress code?

Nov 4, 8:13 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: That’s a good thought too Brian

Nov 4, 8:13 PM

Judy (Guest): I often wonder what people of other faiths think when they see Catholics going to Mass wearing raggy jeans, short shorts and tank tops. To me that is disrespectful to the Blessed Sacrament.

Nov 4, 8:13 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I think it’s distracting too Judy

Nov 4, 8:13 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): What are these people thinking I wonder the ones dressed like that

Nov 4, 8:14 PM

Judy (Guest): Years ago, when I was in Rome, you could not enter St. Peter’s Basilica with a sleeveless blouse, much less short.

Nov 4, 8:14 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: But maybe I’m distracting when I chew gum or a mint

Nov 4, 8:14 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): One of the Great things about the Catholic Church is that you can come in just as you are ! Many denominations have all kinds of restrictions !

Nov 4, 8:15 PM

Judy (Guest): I think that it is all right to “come in as you are” if you are just stopping in for a visit, but not for Sunday Mass, or some other ceremony.

Nov 4, 8:15 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): It is appreciation of beauty true beauty that elope may be lacking

Nov 4, 8:15 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: That’s true Brian but a little more clothes would be good

Nov 4, 8:16 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I actually had a lady come up to me and another woman after Mass to compliment our dresses

Nov 4, 8:17 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): See people need to be retrained in what is attractive and appropriate

Nov 4, 8:17 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Just simple dresses but we were covered

Nov 4, 8:17 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Yes Sister

Nov 4, 8:17 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): Everybody is at a different place and as they grow in there relationship with God they will change and dress better ! Look at the Corinthians !

Nov 4, 8:18 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): St Francis de Sales said something like that Brian One starts from the inside and it affects the outside

Nov 4, 8:18 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: well that makes good sense

Nov 4, 8:18 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I will think about that

Nov 4, 8:19 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Hi Dawn

Nov 4, 8:19 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Thank you Brian

Nov 4, 8:19 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): Your computer is working now

Nov 4, 8:19 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): Hi Dawn!

Nov 4, 8:20 PM

Judy (Guest): Just to hit question 4 before we sign off: Each way of life has certain standards by which those who embraqce those states of life are expected to live, e.g. married people are expected to live lifelong fidelity to the spouse our af an inndividual’s love for him or her. Likewise the religious is expected to live in fidelity to the vows ehye have professed out of love for the Lord to Whom they are espoused or wholly dedicated.

Nov 4, 8:20 PM

Dawn (Guest): Hi S Susan and Brian! its fixed for now

Nov 4, 8:21 PM

Judy (Guest): Every state of life has a set way of living, of expressing its relationship to others and to the Lord,always based on love.

Nov 4, 8:23 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Hi Dawn

Nov 4, 8:23 PM

Judy (Guest): Hi Dawn!

Nov 4, 8:23 PM

Judy (Guest): Just a few minutes left.

Nov 4, 8:23 PM

Dawn (Guest): I saw a woman doing the readings at St Peters Basillica, Pope Francis there...she had on a sweat shirt and pants. I thought Pope Francis really does preach the Gospel of Jesus ....Hi Judy and Alice!

Nov 4, 8:25 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): Our Actions Speak Louder than Our Words ! People want to see our actions line up with what God wants I

Nov 4, 8:25 PM

Judy (Guest): I always wear a skirt or dress if I am going to lector.

Nov 4, 8:27 PM

Judy (Guest): I believe that the way we dress for Mass is an outward expression of our inner disposition.

Nov 4, 8:27 PM

Srr Susan (Guest): I have to leave now God bless you all

Nov 4, 8:27 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: I agree Judy. God bless Sister

Nov 4, 8:28 PM

Judy (Guest): Would we attend a banquet at the White House wearing jeans and a sweat shirt?

Nov 4, 8:28 PM

Dawn (Guest): Good night Sr, God bless you

Nov 4, 8:28 PM

Alice Lewis-Eckardt: Good night all. God bless

Nov 4, 8:28 PM

Judy (Guest): Good night Mother. Have a blessed week. To all of you, have a blessed week also.

Nov 4, 8:30 PM

Guest2264 (Guest): God Bless You All ! Keep Shining for Jesus ! Kairos Ladies Retreat coming up at Albion on Nov 15-18!! Please keep the Ladies in your Prayers !!!

Nov 4, 8:30 PM

Dawn (Guest): Jesus cares about us, our soul, our love for God and one another. It says so in the Gospel readings today. Good night and God Bless

Nov 4, 8:31 PM

Dawn (Guest): Prayers for Kairos, God bless