What is the distinction between a sinner who doing works while dead in sin compared to the works of someone made dead by sin?This reflection is a sobering reminder that no matter how many good works we have, we can easily render all of that empty through a single mortal sin. What are your thoughts on this?Does all of this make God unfair? Why can’t our previous good works still be counted in our favor?Discuss this idea that even though the works of sin can destroy, it does not compare with the works of char
Oct 27, 7:51 AM
VisitationSiste: Discuss
this idea that even though the works of sin can destroy, it does not compare
with the works of charity.
What can we do to ensure we continue to walk in the power of divine charity
Oct 27, 7:51 AM
VisitationSiste: Sun chat Oct 27 730pm est
Oct 27, 7:25 PM
SrSusan (Guest): welcome viewers
Oct 27, 7:26 PM
Jennifer Koo: Welcome viewers
Oct 27, 7:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hello Sr Susan and Jennifer!
Oct 27, 7:27 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hello Sr Susan
Oct 27, 7:27 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Dawn
Oct 27, 7:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Dawn and Jennifer
Oct 27, 7:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Difficult questions tonight- we are drawing close to the end of the Treatise on the Love of God Book 12 will be the last
Oct 27, 7:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Blanca
Oct 27, 7:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Glad you all had a good chat last Sun I could not make it in time.
Oct 27, 7:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Glad to be back!
Oct 27, 7:29 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Blanca
Oct 27, 7:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): I am happy you are here tonight Sr.
Oct 27, 7:29 PM
Blanca Villa: Hello everyone!
Oct 27, 7:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): do we understand this question: What is the distinction between a sinner who doing works while dead in sin compared to the works of someone made dead by sin
Oct 27, 7:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I don;t think it is too clear
Oct 27, 7:30 PM
Dawn (Guest): I do not clearly understand the difference
Oct 27, 7:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): it is subtle
Oct 27, 7:30 PM
Dawn (Guest): not in the question itself but in reading what Francis writes
Oct 27, 7:31 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Which paragraph?
Oct 27, 7:31 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, viewers
Oct 27, 7:33 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The works then of a sinner, while he is deprived of holy love, are not profitable to eternal life, and therefore they are called dead works: on the contrary the good works of the just man are said to be living, inasmuch as divine love animates and quickens them with its life. But if afterwards they lose their life and worth by sin, they are said to be works in death
Oct 27, 7:33 PM
SrSusan (Guest): does that help
Oct 27, 7:34 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Phyllis
Oct 27, 7:34 PM
Phyllis Wong: Hi Jennifer
Oct 27, 7:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): it seems to me that on a supernatural level, unseen to the eye, some good works have no value if the sinner does them tho on the natural level they may do some good
Oct 27, 7:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hello Phyllis- are you here for first time?
Oct 27, 7:35 PM
Phyllis Wong: M i in the right chat?
Oct 27, 7:35 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, Phyllis you are
Oct 27, 7:36 PM
Phyllis Wong: Yes. Are you sister Jennifer?
Oct 27, 7:36 PM
Jennifer Koo: Phyllis is from Singapore, and she wanted to know more
Oct 27, 7:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Great!
Oct 27, 7:36 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, I am Sr Jennifer
Oct 27, 7:37 PM
SrSusan (Guest): It seems to me that philanthropists, for ex who let’s s ay are serious sinners, might give lots of money away and that will help someone who receives it, but on the soul level it does not help the giver. Is that how you understand this ?
Oct 27, 7:37 PM
Phyllis Wong: Okay. How are you? And when is good weather there?
Oct 27, 7:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Lisa
Oct 27, 7:38 PM
Lisa C: What about a philanthropist who never had the grace of being taught about God?
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
Lisa C: Hi Mother and everyone
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
Jennifer Koo: If the poor sinner afterwards return to God, then God will remember his former good
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Lisa
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): all is in the judgement of God- He has mercy on the ignorant I think
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The return of sin deprives the heart and all its works of life: the return of grace restores life to the heart and all its works.
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): said St Francis
Oct 27, 7:39 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes
Oct 27, 7:40 PM
SrSusan (Guest): weather is good in May-Oct
Oct 27, 7:40 PM
Lisa C: That seems eminently fair that the works come back to good when the soul returns to a state of grace
Oct 27, 7:40 PM
Jennifer Koo: She wanted to come and attend mass here, maybe to make a retreat
Oct 27, 7:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): wonderful!!
Oct 27, 7:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): no matter how many good works we have, we can easily render all of that empty through a single mortal sin.What are your thoughts on this?Does all of this make God unfair?
Oct 27, 7:41 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Ruth
Oct 27, 7:41 PM
Dawn (Guest): God then does not forget the works of those who having lost love by sin recover it by penance. Now God forgets works when they lose their merit and sanctity by sin committed, and he remembers them when they return to life and vigour by the presence of holy love. Yes, this is how I understood, your example clarified
Oct 27, 7:42 PM
Lisa C: No, God is never unfair, He is always just. If we are separated from God by sin, then we have no life and it is by life in the Holy Spirit that we attain merit in heaven for our works.
Oct 27, 7:42 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, that’s what I understood as well. Is that right, Mother?
Oct 27, 7:42 PM
Blanca Villa: That was my understanding as well.
Oct 27, 7:43 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think so! The place of Divine Mercy is what I am thinking of now
Oct 27, 7:43 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Ruth
Oct 27, 7:43 PM
Jennifer Koo: I think everyone has the same idea
Oct 27, 7:44 PM
SrSusan (Guest): can we Discuss this idea that even though the works of sin can destroy, it does not compare with the works of charity.
Oct 27, 7:45 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes
Oct 27, 7:45 PM
Lisa C: God’s love can overcome all the damage done by sin.
Oct 27, 7:46 PM
Lisa C: In the new Jerusalem God will rebuild the world in a perfect way with no damage from sin.
Oct 27, 7:46 PM
Jennifer Koo: I think when we have sin, it separates us from God
Oct 27, 7:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): God’s love is like His mercy
Oct 27, 7:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): St Francis says sin proceeds from our infirmity, charity proceeds from God’s power
Oct 27, 7:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Brian
Oct 27, 7:47 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Brain
Oct 27, 7:47 PM
Ruth (Guest): That is an interesting passage.
Oct 27, 7:47 PM
Lisa C: Love and mercy seem different to me, God loves no matter what, but gives mercy only if we repent
Oct 27, 7:47 PM
SrSusan (Guest): very- and fairly deep
Oct 27, 7:47 PM
SrSusan (Guest): that’s an interesting statement Lisa
Oct 27, 7:47 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth, Lisa Blanca and Brian
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Lisa C: To receive mercy we have to exercise the free will of repentance
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Jennifer Koo: I like St Francis writing, worth reading and to ponder
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Lisa C: otherwise we are still in the power of sin
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Phyllis Wong: Yes, i am thinking of doing a retreat there. However it will be with God’s grace. Thank you and I will let u know in advance when I am planning. Until then take care and meet in chat again. See you!
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Brian (Guest): Hi Blanca, Phyllis, Jennifer , Ruth , Lisa , Sister Susan , Jennifer , and Dawn !!! God Bless You !!!
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello Sr. Susan, Sr. Jennifer, Dawn, Lisa, Brian, Blancha; welcome Phyllis and viewers.
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Blessings Phyllis Hope to meet you!
Oct 27, 7:48 PM
Jennifer Koo: I think you have to write to Mother
Oct 27, 7:49 PM
Dawn (Guest): Do you think he sometimes gives mercy and this loving act brings repentance in a sinner…
Oct 27, 7:49 PM
Jennifer Koo: See you Phyllis
Oct 27, 7:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): another interesting thought Dawn
Oct 27, 7:49 PM
Lisa C: He gives love that brings repentance
Oct 27, 7:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): if one responds to that love, yes, then one repents
Oct 27, 7:50 PM
Lisa C: Mercy has to come after someone is sorry or else he is still separated from God. If we are separated we cannot have mercy or anything else.
Oct 27, 7:50 PM
Dawn (Guest): but we can receive it?
Oct 27, 7:50 PM
SrSusan (Guest): in what sense sepaprated though, as in a way if we were completely separated we would no longer exist
Oct 27, 7:51 PM
Blanca Villa: I have always equated God’s mercy to his love.
Oct 27, 7:51 PM
Jennifer Koo: God has loves us before we know Him
Oct 27, 7:51 PM
Lisa C: Sin will separate us from God completely. No we always exist. We are separated from seeing Him and being with Him.
Oct 27, 7:52 PM
Lisa C: Our souls are forever, without God we are in hell
Oct 27, 7:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): He is always calling us, for his will is for everyone to turn to him
Oct 27, 7:52 PM
Lisa C: I think we will have a chance to chose Him even if it is at the last second.
Oct 27, 7:52 PM
Jennifer Koo: I think that’s why Jesus descended into shell
Oct 27, 7:52 PM
Brian (Guest): God’s Mercy and Protection seems to be upon many as they gradually seem to open their eyes to God and begin to pursue Him even in small ways even a glance !!!
Oct 27, 7:53 PM
Lisa C: Hell was when Jesus gave us His spirit and separated from God the Father
Oct 27, 7:53 PM
Ruth (Guest): I find all this rather confusing. Francis is a Saint and I am not, so I must take his words seriously. But he seems to me to be talking/writing as if there is an off/on switch and that one is either/or in sin or not. And applies this, it seems, even to infirmities, not just mortal sin. Aren’t we all sinners? Don’t we all have infirmities? And doesn’t God’s power shine through, at least sometimes, despite our infirmities?
Oct 27, 7:53 PM
Lisa C: He had to get His Spirit back to come back to life
Oct 27, 7:54 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think he means mortal sin or deadly sin as St John wrote
Oct 27, 7:54 PM
Dawn (Guest): thank you for question Ruth
Oct 27, 7:54 PM
Lisa C: Ruth, there is mortal sin and venial sin, mortal separates us from God until we repent.
Oct 27, 7:55 PM
Jennifer Koo: I don’t think that is referring to infirmity physically
Oct 27, 7:56 PM
Blanca Villa: Infirmities refer to our weaknesses that lead us into sin.
Oct 27, 7:57 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, I agreed
Oct 27, 7:57 PM
SrSusan (Guest): What can we do to ensure we continue to walk in the power of divine charity
Oct 27, 7:57 PM
Lisa C: Confess our sins
Oct 27, 7:57 PM
Lisa C: Receive the sacraments
Oct 27, 7:57 PM
Lisa C: Pray
Oct 27, 7:58 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Live Truth- Live Jesus
Oct 27, 7:58 PM
Lisa C: Make sacrifices
Oct 27, 7:58 PM
Brian (Guest): Prayer , Christian Action , and Study !!!
Oct 27, 7:58 PM
Blanca Villa: Yes on all.
Oct 27, 7:58 PM
Jennifer Koo: Stay in the present of God all the time
Oct 27, 7:58 PM
SrSusan (Guest): good companionship, Christian friends
Oct 27, 7:59 PM
Brian (Guest): Amen Sister Susan !!!
Oct 27, 8:00 PM
Brian (Guest): Soo many avoid Christian Community when we need Christian Friends Soo Much !!!
Oct 27, 8:01 PM
Lisa C: That is the one thing Protestants do better than we do
Oct 27, 8:01 PM
SrSusan (Guest): with so much controversy these days it is sometimes difficult-
Oct 27, 8:01 PM
Ruth (Guest): So true, Lisa.
Oct 27, 8:01 PM
SrSusan (Guest): after services you mean Lisa?
Oct 27, 8:02 PM
Lisa C: They have more social activities together as a parish, retreats, weekly meals, prayer groups, etc.
Oct 27, 8:02 PM
Brian (Guest): Great Opportunities Everywhere to Build Community !!!
Oct 27, 8:02 PM
Lisa C: Youth groups too
Oct 27, 8:03 PM
SrSusan (Guest): interesting because when I look at parish bulletins they seem to have so much going on
Oct 27, 8:03 PM
Jennifer Koo: Protestant have good communication and cell group s
Oct 27, 8:03 PM
Ruth (Guest): What is difficult, Sister? Creating a welcoming atmosphere — during a crisis time in the life of the Church?
Oct 27, 8:03 PM
SrSusan (Guest): what is a cell group
Oct 27, 8:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): Some parishes are very alive I think, well I read about them or listen to their priests talk
Oct 27, 8:03 PM
Jennifer Koo: It means that the small Christian community
Oct 27, 8:04 PM
Jennifer Koo: There’s more personal care
Oct 27, 8:04 PM
Brian (Guest): No Better Time to Build Community than during a time of Crisis !!! Nobody does that better than the Catholic Church !!!!
Oct 27, 8:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Persoanl care- that is interesting to learn about
Oct 27, 8:05 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you Brian, I do think this IS happening in many places
Oct 27, 8:06 PM
Brian (Guest): Amen Dawn !!!
Oct 27, 8:07 PM
Dawn (Guest): However, perhaps the small community is also part of his glorious plan…
Oct 27, 8:07 PM
Jennifer Koo: When a church is getting too big, grouping of people who stayed nearby or age group, interest, education or social backgrounds …
Oct 27, 8:08 PM
Jennifer Koo: Group members will know everyone well and taking care of one another
Oct 27, 8:08 PM
Brian (Guest): The World lacks Resiliance . The Church is Resiliance in Action !!!! I can do all things through Christ who Strengthens Me !!!
Oct 27, 8:08 PM
Ruth (Guest): I had a good experience yesterday. Went to the parish where our former pastor is now pastor for a discussion of the book by Bishop Barron: Letter to a Suffering Church and prayer and meditation time.
Oct 27, 8:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): very good idea- do they have their own pastor
Oct 27, 8:09 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, every group will be under the care of a pastor
Oct 27, 8:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): so we would need more priests then
Oct 27, 8:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): any other outstanding topics tonite anyone wants to discuss?
Oct 27, 8:10 PM
Jennifer Koo: Before I left the protestant church, I belong to a cell group that we have 70 active families
Oct 27, 8:11 PM
Jennifer Koo: Maybe we should talk about St Margaret Mary
Oct 27, 8:11 PM
Ruth (Guest): Another name for those small groups or cells is “house church.” We have a sort of model for it in the Jewish Sabbath family meal, to which, at least sometimes, others are also invited.
Oct 27, 8:11 PM
Brian (Guest): The Visitation !!!
Oct 27, 8:12 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ?
Oct 27, 8:12 PM
Jennifer Koo: This is not the house church. It is only a fellowship
Oct 27, 8:12 PM
SrSusan (Guest): did you all view the new video about St Margaret Mary and Sacred heart?
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
Jennifer Koo: New video? Where?
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
Dawn (Guest): It was beautiful, the video
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
SrSusan (Guest): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lolor_0iZQ
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
Blanca Villa: Yes!
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
Lisa C: yes
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
Brian (Guest): The mention of this great event with Mary and Elizabeth is Soo powerful !!!
Oct 27, 8:13 PM
Ruth (Guest): Wow! Jennifer, I did not know a cell could be that big — 70 families. I always thought of it as maybe 3 or 5 persons to about a maximum of 24 or maybe 30 — the number of people one can really interact with on a regular basis.
Oct 27, 8:15 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, 5 of us are appointed to visit the sick, or whoever needs help in the group
Oct 27, 8:15 PM
Jennifer Koo: This is what I mean personal care
Oct 27, 8:16 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Perhaps after this Treatise book we can do a short series on St Margaret Mary and Sacred heart for chat- let me know your ideas
Oct 27, 8:16 PM
Jennifer Koo: Wow, Mother. That’s good
Oct 27, 8:16 PM
Jennifer Koo: It’s the Jubilee year
Oct 27, 8:17 PM
Blanca Villa: I vote yes.
Oct 27, 8:17 PM
Dawn (Guest): Good idea
Oct 27, 8:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Therre are books on line we could use- and add with other mterial
Oct 27, 8:17 PM
Jennifer Koo: I say Yes
Oct 27, 8:19 PM
Lisa C: Maybe we could also do her spiritual director Saint Claude de la Colombière
Oct 27, 8:19 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes we could I think
Oct 27, 8:19 PM
SrSusan (Guest): What a beautiful way to live Jubilee year
Oct 27, 8:20 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, good idea
Oct 27, 8:20 PM
Brian (Guest): Have had several opportunities in recent weeks to talk to Moms who are are pregnant and the recognition that we give to these ladies with child is powerful example of Gods Love and the affirmation of Life !!!! Just as what took place during the Visitation !!!
Oct 27, 8:20 PM
Ruth (Guest): Here we have an organization called Mercy Care for the Adirondacks. It is volunteers working mostly with homebound elderly people — after very comprehensive training — in various capacities. It was started by the Mercy Sisters together with a sociology professor.
Oct 27, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes!
Oct 27, 8:21 PM
Ruth (Guest): I am fine with the idea.
Oct 27, 8:21 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Brian I had a meditation on pro life and visitation Have you read that
Oct 27, 8:22 PM
SrSusan (Guest): https://visitationspirit.org/2019/01/the-visitation-proclaims-life-in-the-womb-2/
Oct 27, 8:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thanks for calling our attention to the article, Sister.
Oct 27, 8:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you
Oct 27, 8:24 PM
Brian (Guest): Thank You Sister Susan I will read !!! Elizabeth’s recognition of Baby John kicking at the near presence of Christ in Mary very early on in her pregnancy is Lifesaving !!!
Oct 27, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Carroll
Oct 27, 8:26 PM
Carroll (Guest): Missing you all last week and tonight- Elisabeth is now bedridden and requiring my attention this time of night.
Oct 27, 8:26 PM
Jennifer Koo: Hi, Carroll
Oct 27, 8:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Carroll
Oct 27, 8:26 PM
Blanca Villa: Have a good week everyone! Btw Sr. Susan I liked the bigger font size. (Question #6)
Oct 27, 8:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Great!!
Oct 27, 8:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Blessings and prayer
Oct 27, 8:27 PM
Blanca Villa: Thank you!
Oct 27, 8:27 PM
Jennifer Koo: Have a blessed week
Oct 27, 8:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): dear viewers- we are coming to the end of our hour but if anyone wants to stay on please do
Oct 27, 8:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): God bless!
Oct 27, 8:29 PM
Lisa C: God be praised!
Oct 27, 8:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): Amen
Oct 27, 8:29 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thank you, Sister Susan, for all the work — and love — you put into this.
Oct 27, 8:29 PM
Carroll (Guest): Enjoyed the meditation this week and looking forward to reviewing chat. Thank you all for being here! I have to run for now. Have a blessed week.
Oct 27, 8:30 PM
Dawn (Guest): The Holy Spirit is in our midst
Oct 27, 8:31 PM
Dawn (Guest): much love charity here
Oct 27, 8:31 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thanks for stopping by Carroll, you always make a good contribution. Elizabeth is blessed to have you caring for her. All the best to both of you. And to ALL of you chat members and viewers.
Oct 27, 8:31 PM
Brian (Guest): Heard a story of Heartbreak . Father Baker was called to Erie Canal by workers who were dredging canal . They found a holocost of skeletons from young children . Moms were soo shamed by culture of day that they would take children’s life this way . Today we have whole families that shame young girls into abortion . Father Baker started an infant home to saves the lives of these children . Christian Action . We must support these young girls in having their children today any way we can instead of shaming
Oct 27, 8:33 PM
Brian (Guest): God Bless You All !!! Keep Shining for Jesus !!!
Oct 27, 8:33 PM
Dawn (Guest): This is really the pro life movement….supporting those who offer
Oct 27, 8:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): I believe there are homes for mothers opening near some PP
Oct 27, 8:35 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, local Catholic Daughters have a baby shower once a year and collect enough baby clothes and paraphernalia and money to supply the entire diocese — many centers offering support for unwed mothers.
Oct 27, 8:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): wonderful!
Oct 27, 8:36 PM
Ruth (Guest): Good night. Have a blessed week.
Oct 27, 8:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): There is a small place called Mama;s who provides much to mothers and resources/ they operate or are funded by a thrift store on their property
Oct 27, 8:38 PM
Dawn (Guest): Good night and my prayers +
Oct 27, 8:43 PM
Guest4921 (Guest): Guess I’m too late. Well, it’s too late for a lot of things in this world. Be seeing you.
Oct 27, 8:47 PM
Brian (Guest): Awesome Article Sister Susan !!! I have sent out to several friends !!!! Thank You !!!! God Bless You and All the Visitation Sisters !!!!!🙏🙏🙏
Oct 27, 8:50 PM
Brian (Guest): God Bless You Guest 4921 !!! God is always waiting with open arms for you !!!
Oct 27, 8:54 PM
Brian (Guest): Love the name Dawn !!! Soo many work soo hard too help Mothers to have their children !!!