How can we tame our fears and walk with confident faith in God? If we want to move beyond servile and mercenary fears for a higher form of love, should we always forget about those lesser fears, or ignore them? There is a saying from Nelson Mandela: “I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” Does this match up with what Saint Francis is saying? Did Jesus have fear in the Garden o
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VisitationSiste: fear
in the Garden of Gethsemane when He prayed to the Father: “Take this cup
from me”?
5. What are some fears we might have to face as Christians in our modern
society?
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Guest7936 (Guest): It always helps me when faced with fears to remember what God has gotten me through in the past , then I return to absolute Trust in God !!!
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VisitationSiste: Hi Blanca!
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Blanca Villa: Hello Sister. How have you been?
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VisitationSiste: Pretty well. How about you and your mother?
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Blanca Villa: I’m doing well. My mom is also, doing well. She’s been going to several dr’s visits for checkups to be cleared for back surgery. So far so good. We are so grateful to God.
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VisitationSiste: A blessing for both, and all, of you!
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VisitationSiste: Today is the Feast of Christ the King!
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Blanca Villa: Yes, it truly has been. Viva Cristo Rey!
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Jennifer Koo: Hello Mother and Blanca
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VisitationSiste: Amen!
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VisitationSiste: Hi Jennifer!
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Blanca Villa: Hi Jennifer.
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VisitationSiste: first q: How can we tame our fears and walk with confident faith in God?
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VisitationSiste: presuming of course we have fears or have had them!
Nov 24, 7:28 PM
Jennifer Koo: O, fears is my greatest temptation
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Jennifer Koo: I have to trust in the Lord with all my heart and without reserve
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VisitationSiste: I was raised on fear as a child, not from parents so much but from school. But time and maturity and God’s grace lessened it
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Jennifer Koo: I think of the opposite
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VisitationSiste: in what way?
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Jennifer Koo: We have no fear when we have no knowledge, the more we know the more fearful
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Jennifer Koo: Blessed are the ignorant
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Blanca Villa: Yes, fear is always sneaking in. I need to be in constant prayer and asking God, our Blessed Mother, my Guardian Angel and saints to help me and bring me peace.
Nov 24, 7:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Susan Jennifer and Blanca
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Blanca Villa: Hi Dawn.
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VisitationSiste: Hi Dawn! Happy Feast!
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VisitationSiste: We just atarted- first question
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Dawn (Guest): Happy Feast to you! everyone!
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Jennifer Koo: Hi dawn
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Jennifer Koo: Happy Feast day
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VisitationSiste: 2. If we want to move beyond servile and mercenary fears for a higher form of love, should we always forget about those lesser fears, or ignore them?
Nov 24, 7:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): to the first q….for me, time. experiencing His love and protection in a situation for instance,, then I can recall this the next time.I feel fearful.
Nov 24, 7:38 PM
Jennifer Koo: I think fear cannot be forget, but might be overcome
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Jennifer Koo: Hi, Ruth
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Dawn (Guest): and surrender.
Nov 24, 7:39 PM
Jennifer Koo: surrender to God with faith
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VisitationSiste: Yes experience helps very much- when we experience the action or presence of the Lord
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Dawn (Guest): yes, Jennifer. this is it
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VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth!
Nov 24, 7:40 PM
Jennifer Koo: I was told by an Irish Dominican priest, the opposite of faith is fear
Nov 24, 7:41 PM
VisitationSiste: hmnn- interesting
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Jennifer Koo: I suppose that can be counted as a type of sin, I think I need to make confession for that
Nov 24, 7:42 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello Everyone! Glad to be here. It’s been a rough week and I had an instant of intense fear. There is a little prayer I started praying long, long, ago. I think I made it up based on one of Paul’s letters.
Nov 24, 7:42 PM
VisitationSiste: I think to move to a higher form of love than servile fear, we might need to face the fear as St Francis de Sales did as a child when he was afraid if the dark but went into it anyway
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Jennifer Koo: A sin, I think it is because we fear for we cannot put all our trust in God
Nov 24, 7:42 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth
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Blanca Villa: I once heard a priest say “if fear knocks on my door I send Faith to answer & fear never sticks around”
Nov 24, 7:43 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Dawn.
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Jennifer Koo: When we move to a higher form of love, we trust all in God, thus without fear
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Jennifer Koo: Blanca, that’s a good one
Nov 24, 7:44 PM
Dawn (Guest): Sounds important to do….facing our fear. could it be a temporal fear perhaps?
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VisitationSiste: sure
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Ruth (Guest): I think it is OK — perfectly normal and a gift God gives us to get us prepared to ACT against a threat — to fear, at least for a little while.
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Dawn (Guest): good insight Ruth
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VisitationSiste: Move thru fear , move beyond fear into the arms of God
Nov 24, 7:46 PM
Jennifer Koo: If one is truly being threatened, I don’t think I can go without fear
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Ruth (Guest): It is when fears are overblown or unrealistic and INTERFERE with functioning reasonably that they are NOT from God, but from the one who tries to get us to distrust Him.
Nov 24, 7:47 PM
VisitationSiste: You must have encountered that alot in your work
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Dawn (Guest): Im thinking of martyrs, how they must move thru their fear into the arms of God
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Jennifer Koo: Again, that Irish priest said that a lot of time, we are afraid base on our imagination not the fact
Nov 24, 7:49 PM
VisitationSiste: Both very true!
Nov 24, 7:50 PM
Ruth (Guest): Sometimes it IS fact. And I am alive because in many situations fear gave me the strength or the impulse to protect myself.
Nov 24, 7:50 PM
VisitationSiste: to conquer fear we must rely on grace very often
Nov 24, 7:51 PM
Jennifer Koo: Only one solution, to trust in the Lord. But that’s still my biggest temptation
Nov 24, 7:52 PM
Ruth (Guest): For example. When moose antlers were coming at me, when I hit a moose that trotted in front of my car, I ducked under the dashboard and the roof came down onto the dashboard — with the moose on the roof of my car!
Nov 24, 7:53 PM
VisitationSiste: O my goodness!!
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Jennifer Koo: O that’s terrible
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Blanca Villa: THAT is scary!
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Dawn (Guest): the rush of adrenaline , from the threat, does sharpen our senses and reaction. what an experience Ruth!
Nov 24, 7:55 PM
Jennifer Koo: I only ever encounter an eagle killing itself, when I was driving on the high way, it bang directly towards my windscreen
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Dawn (Guest): a moose…no little thing!
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Ruth (Guest): When a hospital chaplain — a bit tipsy — tried to sexually assault me, I went for the phone to call for help, but he wrestled it away from me, then I escaped and locked myself into a safe but confining place.
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Ruth (Guest): AND of course, I prayed. For myself. And for him.
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VisitationSiste: You have had so many difficult challenges!
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Jennifer Koo: That’s scary
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VisitationSiste: But you were saved!
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Jennifer Koo: Did you change job
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VisitationSiste: 4. Did Jesus have fear in the Garden of Gethsemane when He prayed to the Father: “Take this cup from me”?
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Dawn (Guest): I think his human nature did have fear
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Jennifer Koo: I would say, yes, since Jesus is fully human.
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VisitationSiste: He was like us in all things but sin
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Jennifer Koo: And as fully God, he know what’s going to happen to him
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Jennifer Koo: That’s very difficult
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Ruth (Guest): This week, I experienced what the neurology consultant that the ER PA arranged for by telemetry, a TIA. Long story. Prescribed medication meant to protect me from an allergic reaction to iodine contrast dye messed up my metabolism royally! It was the third ER visit. . .
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Dawn (Guest): from Scriptures, he felt this anticipating it. but once he was arrested …
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Dawn (Guest): you had a TIA?
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VisitationSiste: Ruth do you live near someone or are you isolated in a country environment
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Dawn (Guest): so sorry Ruth
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Blanca Villa: So sorry to hear that Ruth.
Nov 24, 8:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): for side effects from meds
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Ruth (Guest): One comfort when others did not do what they should have done, and I knew should have been done, was to remember Christ’s words at the trial “You would have no power over me were it not given to you by God.” I did appeal to other, lesser, “higher powers” (in the hospital) too, but even that did not work.
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Jennifer Koo: O Ruth, we have to keep you in our prayers
Nov 24, 8:05 PM
VisitationSiste: definitely
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Dawn (Guest): I think where you are is somewhat isolated …do you have anyone to call on if needed?
Nov 24, 8:06 PM
Ruth (Guest): Please do, Jennifer, Sister, Dawn, Blanca.
Nov 24, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: we ask the angels to surround you.
Nov 24, 8:08 PM
Ruth (Guest): A friend at Mass, this morning, who knew about what had been going on was very glad to see me. She said she had called last night, let the phone ring 12 times. I was home and awake but did not hear it ring. I think it is SPECTRUM. Service is not the greatest.
Nov 24, 8:09 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, I will pray for you everyday in front of the tabernacle
Nov 24, 8:09 PM
Dawn (Guest): have you ever thought of getting an alert alarm? a friend had one and it was helpful
Nov 24, 8:10 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thank you, Sister, and all you special friends.
Nov 24, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: So I think we are expressing some fears or at least concerns for Ruth.
Nov 24, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: 5. What are some other fears we might have to face as Christians in our modern society
Nov 24, 8:11 PM
Ruth (Guest): I paid for one of those alarms. It did not work, when just testing it, not even ten feet from my phone. So I arranged to send it back; the company never refunded my money.
Nov 24, 8:12 PM
Jennifer Koo: Persecution in any form do occur because of religion
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Dawn (Guest): separation persecution from family friends or even jobs
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Blanca Villa: I’ve been thinking about that all week, even before the email was sent out. I’ve realized for me that its rejection, losing friends.
Nov 24, 8:14 PM
VisitationSiste: Not doing what God wants us to do is a fear
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Blanca Villa: Yes, I agree.
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Jennifer Koo: In Ireland, priest that follow tradition can get outcast
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Dawn (Guest): When persecuted, whomever the source, it came to me perhaps this is the person who truly needs our prayers. like we are being allowed to see
Nov 24, 8:15 PM
Dawn (Guest): and then to do as God commands
Nov 24, 8:15 PM
Ruth (Guest): Let’s offer special prayers for families getting together this Thanksgiving Day — safe travels AND growing peaceful relations.
Nov 24, 8:15 PM
Jennifer Koo: Just imagine, this can happen in Catholic country
Nov 24, 8:16 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes Sr! it can seem frightening to do something he asks of us
Nov 24, 8:17 PM
VisitationSiste: yes fears that we will not be accepted if we followour tradional beliefs and practices
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Jennifer Koo: A lot of priest dare not kneel when celebrate mass
Nov 24, 8:19 PM
VisitationSiste: in Ireland?
Nov 24, 8:19 PM
Jennifer Koo: Genuflection,
Nov 24, 8:19 PM
Dawn (Guest): a little boy asked the teacher…can we pray? she replied in a very secular way. So I am beginning to see more of this where I am. I spoke with him later and told him I will pray with you.
Nov 24, 8:20 PM
Jennifer Koo: that’s too tradition
Nov 24, 8:20 PM
Jennifer Koo: yes, in Ireland
Nov 24, 8:20 PM
Ruth (Guest): I love you, Jesus, my love. Grant that I may love you always, then do with me what you will. That’s been a heartfelt prayer for decades. It drives away all fear.
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Jennifer Koo: We have to pray for our priest
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Dawn (Guest): In Jesus name, Amen
Nov 24, 8:21 PM
Ruth (Guest): Beautiful! Dawn.
Nov 24, 8:22 PM
Blanca Villa: Thank you for that prayer Ruth.
Nov 24, 8:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): Remembering God’s promises helps, too. E.g. Jeremiah 29:11
Nov 24, 8:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): Sr Susan, last night I watched again your EWTN interview with Fr Mitch. I heard more it seems, this time, than few years ago. It would be good for them to air it again….now in our time
Nov 24, 8:24 PM
Dawn (Guest): A good message. growing in holiness where we are.
Nov 24, 8:25 PM
Blanca Villa: I saw it on YouTube. How long ago was that Sister?
Nov 24, 8:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): this is St Francis message and teachings
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VisitationSiste: it was in 2012
Nov 24, 8:25 PM
Ruth (Guest): Sr. Charlotte (Mercy Sister) used to say, “Grow where you are planted.”
Nov 24, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: As we grow in the salesian spirit we can understand more. It was avery anointed tv show- I felt the grace
Nov 24, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: If you have any questions from it we can discuss sometime
Nov 24, 8:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): in a chat group session?
Nov 24, 8:27 PM
Blanca Villa: Yes, please.
Nov 24, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes!
Nov 24, 8:28 PM
VisitationSiste: We can pick a week, watch it and then discuss at chat
Nov 24, 8:28 PM
Ruth (Guest): Weeds like me tend to grow almost anywhere. No one PLANTS weeds. But they, too, CAN be beautiful. I call ’em wildflowers — as opposed to hothouse flowers.
Nov 24, 8:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): great idea
Nov 24, 8:28 PM
VisitationSiste: and this is a jubilee year so also anything on St Margaret Mary that you may question would also be good to discuss
Nov 24, 8:28 PM
VisitationSiste: ok!
Nov 24, 8:29 PM
Jennifer Koo: Yes, that’s good. I have watched that interview many times
Nov 24, 8:29 PM
VisitationSiste: So Thanksgiving is this week- let us give thanks to Our Lord for all He gives us- and for each other here
Nov 24, 8:29 PM
Ruth (Guest): I like the idea, too. Chat about the interview.
Nov 24, 8:29 PM
Jennifer Koo: Have a blessed week and good night
Nov 24, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: We did have a newsletter on it years ago. Perhaps it can be sent out as a reminder
Nov 24, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: Blessings to all!
Nov 24, 8:30 PM
Jennifer Koo: And about St Margaret Mary
Nov 24, 8:31 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you all! A blessed thanksgiving , grateful for the gift of your friendship. Good night
Nov 24, 8:31 PM
Blanca Villa: Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and God bless🙏
Nov 24, 8:33 PM
Ruth (Guest): Blessings to each of you and to your families and friends, too.
Nov 24, 8:33 PM
Dawn (Guest): God bless you Ruth.