Why is having a rule for religious orders so important? What should one say to another who thinks it is too strict?2. Where is the line between willful disobedience and misguided disobedience?3. Saint Francis says it is not a sin to break the Rule, but he does say it can be a serious fault (even to the point of losing the graces of the Holy Spirit). What is the difference? And why/how is there sin as he mentions in the last paragraph?4. How can we practice a spirit of obedience during this time of pandem
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with bishops cancelling the public celebration of Mass?
5. For the layman living in the world, what kind of implicit rules are there in
living with a family member or roommate?
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VisitationSiste: WElcome Mary Ann Tonight we start the Spiritual Conferences
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Dawn (Guest): Hi everyone. peace be with you
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Hi Dawn New book tonight
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): The spiritual conferences were talks by ST Francis de Sales to the Sisters in Annecy France
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Dawn (Guest): yes, I received email and looking forward to this
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): He oftyen spoke to them outside under a tree!
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Dawn (Guest): an inspiration
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Hi Brian!
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Hi Ruth
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): They are very direct in some places and in others more image oriented
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): First Q 1. Why is having a rule for religious orders so important? What should one say to another who thinks it is too strict?
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Mary Ann Kronk: Where is the “enter”
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Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth and Brian, Mary Ann, Blanca…..wonderful
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Blanca Villa: Hello everyone
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BRIANBUNNY5: Hi Sister Susan ,Ruth , Dawn , Blanca , Mary Ann , and Guest God BlessYou !!!!
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Dawn (Guest): need to put the curser in this box here where I am writing
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Sr Susan (Guest): Hi Blanca
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Blanca Villa: Hello Sr. Susan
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Sr Susan (Guest): Just hit enter key on keypad
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Mary Ann Kronk: Hi all
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BRIANBUNNY5: Hi Mary Ann ! God Bless You !!!
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Mary Ann Kronk: Rules! So important. When a rule seems senseless or unimportant – there is a much larger lesson of self control to be gained. Love the rules
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Besides keeping things organized there is a spiritual element to it
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): We were always told that keeping the Rule perfectly for a religious can bring you to sanctity
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Mary Ann Kronk: Yes – learning to put you own will aside – due to self – is how you can abondin yourself totally to God’s will
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): That’s following the rule!
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Ruth (Guest): Hello everyone. Peace be with you. For a moment I thought there were two people named Sr. Susan. You are back quickly Sr. Susan. Must be that you are getting good at bi-location!
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BRIANBUNNY5: Without rules community can fall apart quickly
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): 2 computers I had to answer the door a floor away and tried that computer but then came back down
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Often people when they first come to the Monastery find it difficult to follow the rule
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Ruth (Guest): I don’t know. Every household in order for function well has to have some sort of rules, simply to facilitate the peaceful interaction of the members.
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Mary Ann Kronk: Obeying the rules is an expression of love – real self sacrificial love
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Blanca Villa: I have to leave the chat. My mom just called me that my dad is not feeling well. He’s been dealing with an infection. Not the Coronavirus, thank God. Please keep him in your prayers. May you all have a blessed and safe week.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): WE will Blanca
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Mary Ann Kronk: This is way a house with teenagers can get crazy!
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BRIANBUNNY5: Barometer of Humility Vs Pride
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): that’s a good way to put it
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Q2 2. Where is the line between willful disobedience and misguided disobedience?
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Ruth (Guest): Blanca, you provide a good example of “filial” obedience. Will add your Dad to my prayer list.
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Dawn (Guest): goodbye Blanca. hope he feels better
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Actually I never had anyone talk about misguided disobedience, did you?
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BRIANBUNNY5: God Bless You , Your Dad , and Your Family Blanca !!!
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Ruth (Guest): My experience of the monastery was in some ways a bit awkward. It seemed there were rules about everything and the rules were not spelled out in advance. So apparently sometimes I was breaking them without knowing it.
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BRIANBUNNY5: Might include not truly understanding the rules
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Ruth (Guest): And sometimes I would ask one of the sisters, something that seemed very ordinary to me. The reply I got was, “I don’t know; we don’t have a rule about that.” That seemed strange to me that there had to be a rule.
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Mary Ann Kronk: I think the line is a matter of trust
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Mary Ann Kronk: We trust ourselves to decide what is appropriate in any given situation and that’s a good thing – except when it comes to abiding by a rule that we can see the full meaning
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Yes Ruth it can get confusing- but there are alot of rules because our will is to be submitted to another who represents God However things can get distorted- that’s why we have people visiting monasteries to make sure there is a good balance
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Guest1314 (Guest): Sr Susan Marie what is the good question for me to ask you? Or what things I shall not ask you?
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Raising children, like Brian did or does, or working in the prison system etc can bring about confusion of what is truly disobedient and what might be misunderstanding
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Mary Ann Kronk: Learning this type of obedience teaches us to better allow God to lead. We have to realize that there was a so much we don’t know and can not understand
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Ruth (Guest): Do you mean visitors like retreatants or people from the diocese whose job it is to assess the way a monastery is functioning?
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Diocese
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Dawn (Guest): guest 1314 Jesus also tells us that in the world we will have trouble. and if they persecuted me, they will persecuted you. he says be not afraid
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): But retreatants do give insights casually!
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BRIANBUNNY5: That’s why Jesus was soo tough on the Pharisees they Lost their balance on rules in a Big Way !
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Dawn (Guest): good insight Brian
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Yes I agree!
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Sometimes the one “Judging” the disobedience, or evaluating what seems like disobedience, needs the dialogue in order to get at the truth of the situaion
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Hi Carroll
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Ruth (Guest): Authority needs to have BIG EARS!
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): and a big heart too
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Carroll V (Guest): Hi everyone- very glad to be here. Sorry I am late.
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Mary Ann Kronk: We have not been able raised in a world that wants obedience – even girls now are taught and rewarded for “speaking their mind” and “being assertive”
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Dawn (Guest): Hi Carroll
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Ruth (Guest): The Rule of Benedict says that even the youngest brother should be listened to. That was really revolutionary in that day and age.
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Mary Ann Kronk: Hi Carroll
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BRIANBUNNY5: Hi Carroll ! God Bless You !
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): That’s is interesting Ruth and so valuable to a community
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Q3 3. Saint Francis says it is not a sin to break the Rule, but he does say it can be a serious fault (even to the point of losing the graces of the Holy Spirit). What is the difference?
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Ruth (Guest): You are right, and a big HEART, too.
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Mary Ann Kronk: Dialog is and gentleness is essential – in all things
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Mary Ann Kronk: Examples work best to demonstrate this: if you break a rule to go to someone’s aid in distress , it is not a disobedience that is harmful
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Ruth (Guest): I am still friends with the woman I shared a tiny room with during my first semester of medical school. She had French as her major, and already knew quite a bit of English, but together we made one or two rules for ourselves: Lights out by 11PM, up by 7 AM. No guests in the room, only in a common space at the end of the hallway.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Protestants a and Catholics should work together, not fight each other
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Mary Ann Kronk: But – if the person you help is constantly having same problem – you need to hold back and let them work it out
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Mary Ann Kronk: Otherwise we you are allowing the person to lead you into disobedience
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Grace fits into all this somehow- accepting the grace to do the right thing to listen to the still voice of the Holy Spirit
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BRIANBUNNY5: Disobedience really quenches the Holy Spirit !!! It’s like holding back the Holy Spirit from working in our lives through our willful disobedience . Disobedience spreads like a virus . Obediance spreads also and empowers the Holy Spirit too work powerfully throughout Community
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): And this is not only in religious life but all of life!
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BRIANBUNNY5: Amen !!!
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Dawn (Guest): Like now, we are being asked to be obeident to staying at home, for the good of everyone
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Great example! and how many still are not following that
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Carroll V (Guest): ACCEPTING the grace to do the right thing- what a beautiful concept.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Q 4. How can we practice a spirit of obedience during this time of pandemic with bishops cancelling the public celebration of Mass?
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Repeat the question I lost it
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BRIANBUNNY5: We have examples from past of communities that obey rules in pandemic do much much better than those who disobey
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Dawn (Guest): Q4 by not complaining, by accepting the rules and perhaps help others who are struggling with accepting
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): We no longer have Mass either – it is hard- but being in a chapel we still have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament- at least for now
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Carroll V (Guest): Actively participating in Live Stream Mass and Adoration has been helpful for me- even physically participating as though I were there in person helps me more fully “enter in,” uniting my heart with others who are participating.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): It is interesting about grace- grace unto grace- one leads to another- but sin too- one sin can lead to another The choice we make is very important
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BRIANBUNNY5: Obediance and Humble Service really helps others and community too move toward Obediance and unity ! Increased Faith in God !!! The Ultimate !!!!
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Ruth (Guest): And Sr. Susan is very busy; a lot of sick old sisters live there. She has to help everyone. Comes here, when she can, just one hour per week.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): actual;ly I have to leave early again this week at 815PM
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Ruth (Guest): Thank you Sr. Susan for all you do, and very especially for your prayers.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Q 5. For the layman living in the world, what kind of implicit rules are there in living with a family member or roommate?
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Dawn (Guest): G’night Sr. con’t prayers for community thank you
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Guest1314 (Guest): Sister Susan Marie May I call you in Easter holiday? What time is best time for me to call you Easter holiday? So I will tell you what question I ask . Bettychao
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Carroll V (Guest): Mother Susan Marie, Please convey to the Sisters how much we appreciate them and their example of loving obedience.
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Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Sure your time 11AM My time 2PM is the best to call
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BRIANBUNNY5: Interesting question disciples got mad at man who was preaching in different way than they were used too . They wanted too stop him . Jesus told them too leave him alone . He addressed our denominational differences . Soo important for us too work together as the Body of Christ !!! We get soo much more done for Jesus that way instead of picking on each other’s differences
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Guest1314 (Guest): What is the chaplet of divine mercy? It is Jesus told faustina write that prayer or Jesus himself say that prayer is the best?
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Ruth (Guest): We appreciate their prayers for the larger community and pray that they may stay well and grow in holiness during this difficult time living in the epicenter of the Corona virus outbreak.
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Carroll V (Guest): Implicit “rule,” living in Love of Christ, would be to simply put the desires or preferences of others before our own.
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Dawn (Guest): thank you Brian
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BRIANBUNNY5: Amen !!!
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Mary Ann Kronk: Have to go
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BRIANBUNNY5: God Bless You Mary Ann !
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Dawn (Guest): Good night Mary Ann
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Guest1314 (Guest): This is the question from bettychao .what is the chaplet of divine mercy talk about? Why is that prayer so special? Can you please tell me
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Carroll V (Guest): Good night Mary Ann. Have a blessed week.
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BRIANBUNNY5: Jesus I Trust in You !!!
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Dawn (Guest): a nice prayer Ruth. yes, Jesus I trust in you
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Guest1314 (Guest): Can you tell me what is the divine mercy talk about? Why is the prayer so special?
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Dawn (Guest): St Michael
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Guest1314 (Guest): Dear sr Susan Marie something I want tell you . I don’t mean by not respect any religion or say something topic against them . I just confused I am sorry please forgive me I don’t mean that way bettychao
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Ruth (Guest): Bettychao, Mother Susan Marie is gone now. The sisters need her. I know about Divine Mercy Prayer. It is beautiful. The Sunday after Easter Sunday is now called “Divine Mercy Sunday.” I hope we will have Masses again by then, but at least around here, I do not think it will happen. The COVID-19 outbreak is a little later here than in the city.
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BRIANBUNNY5: My Father told me during war he was shocked that the people he thought would do well did poorly and those who he thought would do poorly were very strong leaders ! God is bringing forth really strong leaders through this horrible Pandemic and giving countless souls an opportunity too come too Him through His immeasurable Mercy !!!
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Ruth (Guest): And the hospital people say that it will be at least 45 days, not just two weeks, like the US President thought.
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BRIANBUNNY5: Priest this week pointed out that this Easter will be most like the first Easter where we are locked up in our homes as disciples were !
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BRIANBUNNY5: We don’t have too Fear However because Jesus has already Risen from the Dead and set us Free to Serve God and Others Wholeheartedly with the Power of the Holy Spirit
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Dawn (Guest): thank you! I had not thought of this!
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Dawn (Guest): The disciples being locked away…
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Ruth (Guest): It is horrible that in some places, like Spain right now, something like close to half of the people who get sick with the virus die, and there are not enough respirators, doctors, nurses for everyone. They actually take anyone over 65 off the respirators to give them to younger patients. I don’t have to IMAGINE doctors having to do something like that. In my first year of residency training there was a shortage of cardiac monitors. During “normal” times. They were not assigned by NEED but by the peckin
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Dawn (Guest): God Bless you Brian for insights tonight. three things! Prayers for you and your family to remain well
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Ruth (Guest): pecking order in the hospital of the doctors needing them for their patients.
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BRIANBUNNY5: My Mother’s Priest during WW2 London Bombings reminded everybody right up until your final Breath you have an opportunity too except Jesus Christ as Your Savior !!! Simple Message that can bring many Souls too Christ for Eternity in these perilous times !!!
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Ruth (Guest): Yes, a good reminder, Brian, that the first disciples were locked away, hiding out of fear until the Holy Spirit came over them.
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Dawn (Guest): Amen!!
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BRIANBUNNY5: Thank You Soo Much Dawn !!!! God Bless You and Your Family !!! God Bless You All and all your Families and Friends !!!! Keep Shining for Jesus ❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏
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Dawn (Guest): you left a great deposit of faith hope and love Brian!
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Ruth (Guest): Remember, man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return is very “in your face” not just on your forehead this Lent. But still we can be joyful because WE know the end of the story. Christus Vincit!
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Dawn (Guest): Yes Ruth!
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Dawn (Guest): Carol Ann! ]
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Dawn (Guest): How are you?
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Ruth (Guest): Even if we die we shall live! By the mercy of Him who overcame sin and death.
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Ruth (Guest): Good night my dear ones. With trust in
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Carroll V (Guest): Thank you all for being here. Your fidelity to this group means SO much more than you could possibly know. God Bless you all! Goodnight.
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Ruth (Guest): Jesus, let us go (staying home as much as possible!) in peace and continue to pray for one another.