What are the dangers of vanity and ambition in the world of business and politics? What could be included in the bad books of today? What kind of popular media that serves only to inflame our passions? How does courtesy protect against vice? What kind of flirtations are St. Francis talking about? How does one give the “constant witness” to others that is mentioned? What kind of friends does St. Francis talk about? How do the last two quotes figure in today’s world? What does a “slave t
Jul 12, 10:19 AM
Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): hat does a “slave to the court” mean today?
Jul 12, 10:20 AM
Jul 12, 7:18 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr SUSAN
Jul 12, 7:19 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Dawn Welcome back! How are you?
Jul 12, 7:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): I am doing well thank you. How are you and the sisters?
Jul 12, 7:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth
Jul 12, 7:20 PM
VisitationSiste: We are blessed to be well!
Jul 12, 7:20 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth
Jul 12, 7:21 PM
Dawn (Guest): This is a great blessing , glad to hear you all are!
Jul 12, 7:23 PM
VisitationSiste: We heard from Brian last week- he is still working Sun nites
Jul 12, 7:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): What does submit the reCAPTURE mean? I had to sign in the old way as a guest again. Also, tried to read the passage but the print is too small for me. When I zoom it with the + it actually get’s smaller; with the – it gets only a little larger.
Jul 12, 7:23 PM
VisitationSiste: We changed the bookand topic this week- using St Francis’s letters to persons in the world
Jul 12, 7:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): I watched your video Sr, now, In not sure where but it was nice to see you and hear you speaking.
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
VisitationSiste: Oh you mean the one with the masked Sister!!
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): hi mother susan marie this is betty chao
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Sister, Dawn and guest.
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
VisitationSiste: Ruth I don’t know but the pages are letters to persons
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Betty
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes!
Jul 12, 7:24 PM
VisitationSiste: Perhaps I can give you the link Rut if I can find it
Jul 12, 7:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you
Jul 12, 7:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Betty
Jul 12, 7:25 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sorry sometime I have to go to mass so I skip the chat and I just went to the mass of novena sacred heart from the visitation monastery brooklym in youtube
Jul 12, 7:26 PM
VisitationSiste: not sure if this is the right one Ruth https://books.google.com/books?id=Jux5CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT330&dq=letters+to+persons+in+the+world&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIqJSX7sjqAhUplXIEHRPbC9cQ6AEwAnoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=letters%20to%20persons%20in%20the%20world&f=false
Jul 12, 7:26 PM
Ruth (Guest): I wonder if I still have that collection of letters I once read. It was borrowed from Our Lady of the Adirondacks House of Prayer. I know I returned some books there, not sure if I did that one. A different translator, though. Whoever commented must’ve been able to read it.
Jul 12, 7:26 PM
VisitationSiste: Mass is more important Betty!
Jul 12, 7:26 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): I learn alots of things about the blessed sacred heart that the church father teach us in yesterday
Jul 12, 7:28 PM
VisitationSiste: Ruth this is it https://archive.org/details/20200520-selected-letters/mode/2up
Jul 12, 7:28 PM
VisitationSiste: p 186 etc
Jul 12, 7:28 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): thanks sister susan marie by telling me in the chat so I can go to novena sacred heart in brooklyn monastery website in youtube otherwise I dont know what time they start
Jul 12, 7:28 PM
VisitationSiste: 1st question: What are the dangers of vanity and ambition in the world of business and politics?
Jul 12, 7:30 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): bully and not help and not treated people nice and not share Gods love to you business people
Jul 12, 7:30 PM
VisitationSiste: One of the letters is written to someone who will work in the court system of his time- and how to preserve virtue in spite of one’s surroundings
Jul 12, 7:31 PM
VisitationSiste: Losing one’s soul is a danger!
Jul 12, 7:31 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): it is best thing to share christ by faith by action in the job
Jul 12, 7:32 PM
Ruth (Guest): Big and clear, but which book? I guess there is only time now to “wing it”.
Jul 12, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: I guess so. We keep trying!
Jul 12, 7:34 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes
Jul 12, 7:34 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister you say losing soul is bad and danger but some people got a trouble life they just reject jesus and listen to theirself insteated listen to jesus and not say rosary not pratice catholic faith and not read bible just do anything that they want to do that is most danger.
Jul 12, 7:34 PM
VisitationSiste: The idea was to tie in with current events thru the 400 year old letters of St Francis
Jul 12, 7:34 PM
VisitationSiste: True Betty
Jul 12, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: Even in his time the court politics etc was a danger
Jul 12, 7:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): I noticed bringing then into now and it’s most helpful
Jul 12, 7:35 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister how to get online to studied the st francis desales messege and watch the life of faith about him?
Jul 12, 7:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Jennifer!
Jul 12, 7:36 PM
VisitationSiste: I don’t know what you mean Betty
Jul 12, 7:36 PM
Ruth (Guest): In politics as in business, aiming to be a humble servant of the people would more likely bring good results that aiming at self-glorification (expressing vanity or “ambition” in the sense of putting oneself ahead.)
Jul 12, 7:36 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): Hi Mother, Dawn, Ruth, Betty and viewer
Jul 12, 7:37 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): how to find the imformation of st francis desales his life and teaching on youtube and online I just want to know?
Jul 12, 7:37 PM
VisitationSiste: Just put his name in I think under you tube
Jul 12, 7:37 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): you can google
Jul 12, 7:37 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Jennifer, Betty. And did I say hello to you, Sr. Susan, as we were trying to work out the kinks? Topic is definitely relevant.
Jul 12, 7:38 PM
VisitationSiste: In St Francis day going to court meant the King’s Court- not the criminal one I think
Jul 12, 7:39 PM
VisitationSiste: and books were the main media with newspapers I think
Jul 12, 7:39 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, you are right, I believe, Sr.
Jul 12, 7:39 PM
VisitationSiste: q 2 What kind of popular media that serves only to inflame our passions?
Jul 12, 7:39 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sr jennifer I did see the brooklyn monastery imformation from youtube you interview and teaching anything about you life in christ and why you become a sister and how the God touched you life that is amazing
Jul 12, 7:40 PM
Ruth (Guest): That’s Betty; I’ll look for this afterward.
Jul 12, 7:41 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thanks, is what I tried to write, Betty. I didn’t know that was on youtube.
Jul 12, 7:41 PM
Dawn (Guest): Q2 Media that inflames passions may be that angers us confuses us
Jul 12, 7:42 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): Betty, this is not the appropriate time
Jul 12, 7:42 PM
Dawn (Guest): Main news media. I do believe they have it down to a science how to manipulate
Jul 12, 7:43 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sr jennifer I am very sorry I just say what I hear and see in the visitation monastery brooklym I just want tell you please dont get upset
Jul 12, 7:44 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): I am pologized
Jul 12, 7:44 PM
VisitationSiste: For sure Dawn!
Jul 12, 7:44 PM
Dawn (Guest): There are better healthy sources to gather info from
Jul 12, 7:44 PM
VisitationSiste: Catholic sources?
Jul 12, 7:46 PM
Dawn (Guest): healthier sources. Yes, Catholic but not all. Some reflect the differences occurring in the church now, this side or that side.
Jul 12, 7:46 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister jennifer you say this is not apporiate time what you mean I dont understand can you tell me explane to me I dont understand
Jul 12, 7:46 PM
VisitationSiste: How does courtesy protect against vice?
Jul 12, 7:47 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes. A lot of division in the Church and among leaders in it now.
Jul 12, 7:47 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sisters susan what is that question
Jul 12, 7:47 PM
Dawn (Guest): So history is good, saints lives. I believe little is happening now that has not occurred before
Jul 12, 7:49 PM
Ruth (Guest): Courtesy will at least protect against the vice of calumny — but not necessarily against vice in general.
Jul 12, 7:49 PM
VisitationSiste: In other words Betty in the world there is much danger of sin but being polite can be some protection against it.
Jul 12, 7:50 PM
VisitationSiste: True Dawn
Jul 12, 7:50 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sr jennifer i was tell you in watch the wake up world program that is why i tell you sorry i didnt explane to you clearly my fault sorry sorry sr jennifer dont get angry
Jul 12, 7:50 PM
Dawn (Guest): I love how St Francis expresses ideas truths
Jul 12, 7:50 PM
Ruth (Guest): Courtesy reflects respect for the other, at least, it formalizes ways that are meant to reflect respect.
Jul 12, 7:51 PM
Ruth (Guest): “Civil discourse” has all but disappeared in politics in the last few years. HOT PASSIONS — often hateful passions — expressed without reserve or reflection.
Jul 12, 7:53 PM
VisitationSiste: Which probably happened back in St Francis time or he would not bring up courtesy
Jul 12, 7:54 PM
Dawn (Guest): however he writes….I would like you to cultivate a gentle and sincere courtesy which offends nobody but wins everyone. Perhaps he meant for the man in court?
Jul 12, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes I believe that was the context
Jul 12, 7:55 PM
Ruth (Guest): Fast and nasty “put downs” — suggesting or saying that, i.e. immigrants are rapists, murderers, when clear evidence is available that they are LESS SO than the rest of the population.
Jul 12, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: It’s almost like political jargon
Jul 12, 7:55 PM
Dawn (Guest): for today also. It is difficult in this present world to not offend anyone. But we can just try
Jul 12, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: We are at a critical point in the way we treat others in public debates etc- all the finesse is draining out
Jul 12, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: St Francis is known as the gentleman saint.
Jul 12, 7:57 PM
VisitationSiste: So he was all for courtesy and respect
Jul 12, 7:57 PM
VisitationSiste: People should be reading him and his works
Jul 12, 7:57 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): my boss mario teach me treated people nice by help others by share holy faith by action he always teach me
Jul 12, 7:57 PM
VisitationSiste: that is a good teaching
Jul 12, 7:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): But we also need to be careful not to enter into a relativisitic view .eg. for the sake of “political correctness.”
Jul 12, 7:58 PM
VisitationSiste: yes that’s true also
Jul 12, 7:58 PM
VisitationSiste: Remember the gallantry of old?
Jul 12, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: we don’t want hypocrisy but true good heartedness
Jul 12, 7:59 PM
Ruth (Guest): I’m not old enough to remember that!
Jul 12, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: I’m not either! But from history!
Jul 12, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: this next one is obvious: What kind of flirtations are St. Francis talking about?
Jul 12, 7:59 PM
Ruth (Guest): But I do remember a b.f. who would hold the door for me. We were both teachers. Students were amused by what they saw as his gallantry.
Jul 12, 8:01 PM
Ruth (Guest): of course, Sr. Just trying to bring a smile or chuckle or two.
Jul 12, 8:02 PM
VisitationSiste: you did!
Jul 12, 8:03 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister jennifer my blood sugar is high and becuase my liver is bad please pray for me please put me in you prayer I accept you as my best faithful friend
Jul 12, 8:03 PM
VisitationSiste: Anyway he seems to be talking about work-style romances, perhaps?
Jul 12, 8:03 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): I will pray for all of you
Jul 12, 8:05 PM
Carol Ann: Hi Everyone!
Jul 12, 8:05 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Carol Anne!
Jul 12, 8:06 PM
Ruth (Guest): Good. Flirtations? Hmmm. I didn’t read the passage. Does he mean, perhaps seeking to please a higher-up in the court to win favors rather than because of believing in what the superior is trying to achieve for the benefit of the people the court is supposed to serve — so nothing, necessarily to do with sexual “flirtations.”
Jul 12, 8:06 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Carol Anne! Glad you could join us.
Jul 12, 8:07 PM
Carol Ann: Me too! I wonder if hevmwans false flattery used to gain some advantage
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): Hi Carol Ann
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
VisitationSiste: He said I beseach you not to get involved in flirtations and not to allow your affections to run away with your judgement- or something like tthat
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): I will pay for you, Betty
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
Carol Ann: Hi Sr Jennifer. I am sorry you are not feeling well
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
Ruth (Guest): You’ve said it more clearly and concisely than I did Carol Ann.
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
Dawn (Guest): I need to go important ph call. Thank you, will try to come next week. Hi Carol ann.
Jul 12, 8:09 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): each year liturgy easpecialy of the mass make present of life in the death and risen back to life in this way we can encounter of the lord and his mysteries give glory to God and obetain grace for ourself and others
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): Carol Ann?
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
Dawn (Guest): God bless you all and be well.
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
Carol Ann: Good to see youbDawn
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: Ok Dawn Thanks for being here
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
Sr Jennifer (Guest): Good bless you too.
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
Dawn (Guest): I’ve missed
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
Carol Ann: Sorry, I think I mean Betty
Jul 12, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: q How does one give the “constant witness” to others
Jul 12, 8:11 PM
Ruth (Guest): Glad you are back with us Dawn.
Jul 12, 8:11 PM
Ruth (Guest): Interior integrity and hard work. Some may not want constant witness, however.
Jul 12, 8:12 PM
Carol Ann: Yes, by simplybliving simply
Jul 12, 8:13 PM
Ruth (Guest): When you do what you do WELL, some become jealous, try to trip you up. But as St. Mother Teresa paraphrased, Do your best, anyway.
Jul 12, 8:13 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): Sr jennifer I have a mental problem and autism so I dont know what I talk about make you sad not happy I am sorry ok Please forgive me and I will try to do better then that I want to see what you say
Jul 12, 8:13 PM
Carol Ann: There is nothing to forgive! I think you are amazing Sr Jennifer
Jul 12, 8:14 PM
VisitationSiste: Whether or not someone wants the constancy, we should be true to ourselves and if not habitual, virtue is not there, just a good action
Jul 12, 8:15 PM
Carol Ann: We must always strive to grow in virtue
Jul 12, 8:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): Good actions repeated, become habitual, and when motivated rightly, then become virtues.
Jul 12, 8:17 PM
VisitationSiste: St Francis also promoted the little virtues in particular
Jul 12, 8:17 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): I love the chat room so I can share the bible to those sisters and my friend like ruth and carol ann dawn
Jul 12, 8:18 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): My health not good what prayer that is best for me for healing
Jul 12, 8:18 PM
Carol Ann: Me too! The Lord provides us a place to praise Him
Jul 12, 8:18 PM
Carol Ann: St Padre Pio
Jul 12, 8:19 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister susan where are you?
Jul 12, 8:20 PM
VisitationSiste: here
Jul 12, 8:20 PM
VisitationSiste: last q- what does ” a slave to the court” mean today?
Jul 12, 8:20 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): my health is bad I want pray for my health what kind of prayer that is good for healing?
Jul 12, 8:21 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): I just want to know
Jul 12, 8:21 PM
Carol Ann: Being blindly loyal to any human organization or person
Jul 12, 8:22 PM
Ruth (Guest): Betty, perhaps it would comfort you to receive the Sacrament of the Sick. Why not ask a priest about it? The prayers and readings are beautiful.
Jul 12, 8:23 PM
VisitationSiste: good definition Carol Anne!
Jul 12, 8:23 PM
VisitationSiste: also being totally united to a political party regardless of various stances it might take?
Jul 12, 8:24 PM
Carol Ann: Yes, I think so, because the partys are made up of fallible humans who need to be accountable
Jul 12, 8:24 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): what is that mean novena the sacred heart what is that talk about sister susan?
Jul 12, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: don’t understand
Jul 12, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: We will probably continue with some of St Francis letters if we can, esp as they pertain to current events if possible but not exclusively
Jul 12, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: The other book was not too attractive to many
Jul 12, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: Let’s stay inspired!
Jul 12, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: May all of you be blessed this week, and stay well. Prayers for all!
Jul 12, 8:27 PM
Carol Ann: Oh, I need to re sign up for the newsletter–they’ve stopped coming. Which two books?
Jul 12, 8:28 PM
Carol Ann: God Bless you Sr!
Jul 12, 8:29 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister susan how to order the life of saint francis desales book from you monastery?
Jul 12, 8:29 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): becuase I want to studied anything about him
Jul 12, 8:30 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, it scares me a little how otherwise rational, courteous people can become SO enamored of, e.g. one “member of the court” that they will do practically ANYTHING to “protect” him/her from realist assessment of his/her fitness for the office.
Jul 12, 8:31 PM
Ruth (Guest): realistic, honest assessment
Jul 12, 8:31 PM
Carol Ann: I hear you Ruth, I often scratch my head when I hear the latest. How arevyou? Are you safe?
Jul 12, 8:32 PM
Ruth (Guest): As voters, we are obliged to TRY to take the whole picture into account.
Jul 12, 8:33 PM
Carol Ann: Yes, but I think they stopped teaching that in school, along with critical thinking
Jul 12, 8:33 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): ruth do you know what things i like the most and always sleep with me in my bed that is the chaplet of divine mercy of sacred heart jesus in picture when I was sleep and I also dream about the sacred heart jesus
Jul 12, 8:36 PM
Ruth (Guest): Well? Safe? When we trust in the Lord, all will be well. If you want to discuss particulars, I’m up for it more privately. Signing off, now, though. Peace and blessings to you and all you share your life with.
Jul 12, 8:37 PM
Carol Ann: Did you see the new about the San Gabriel Mission Ruth? The building looks lost but the altar was spared
Jul 12, 8:37 PM
Carol Ann: Good night! I will find your address
Jul 12, 8:38 PM
Guest9143 (Guest): sister susan and Ruth I have to go and I will pray for you God bless you all thanks be to Jesus and thankyou to mother susan marie and all of you