Why does growing in virtue entail the perseverance of many trials and tribulations? Why is patience such a key virtue in this pursuit of virtue? How can we avoid “over eagerness and agitation” with the sweetness of temper that Saint Francis mentions? Saint Francis gives the analogy of our efforts on earth being compared to a child who builds a small house or tower that easily gets knocked over causing frustration. How can we avoid “adult tantrums” when our “little house” is knocked over? How
Aug 2, 9:41 AM
Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): How can we take the courage to march on in the spiritual life, despite our imperfections?
Aug 2, 9:41 AM
Sister Susan Marie (Moderator): Sunday caht 730pm est Aug 2
Aug 2, 7:25 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Ruth and guest
Aug 2, 7:25 PM
Ruth (Guest): Sr.Susan, your 7 PM email reminder doesn’t show in my email this evening. I signed in again as a guest.
Aug 2, 7:25 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): Hollo sr susan marie this is bettychao I was study picture bible that my big auntie gave me as gift. Hi sister susan marie. How are you and how is you health?
Aug 2, 7:26 PM
VisitationSiste: I wonder why Ruth. I will check with webmaster
Aug 2, 7:26 PM
VisitationSiste: All is well Betty
Aug 2, 7:27 PM
Ruth (Guest): I’m starting a soup supper, will be back and forth to the stove.
Aug 2, 7:27 PM
VisitationSiste: ok
Aug 2, 7:28 PM
VisitationSiste: This question fits many of our lives: Why does growing in virtue entail the perseverance of many trials and tribulations?
Aug 2, 7:28 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Betty. Picture Bible sounds interesting. Famous paintings? Or all similar style illustrations?
Aug 2, 7:31 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): be strong like a good christian for the jesus christ. remenber the truth as you learn from the holy bible keep preach it is even through. that will come when people dont want hear the truth we must seek the holy spirit to tell us how to guide other people know the truth that is the words from jesus holy bible.
Aug 2, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: Jesus is the paragon of virtue yet look at all His trials and tribulations
Aug 2, 7:36 PM
VisitationSiste: Our souls are stretched with trials
Aug 2, 7:36 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): 1timothy6 those who are under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as the worthy of full respect so the name of God through jesus christ and his teaching and our teaching may not suffered abuse .
Aug 2, 7:37 PM
VisitationSiste: We prove our love through patience in tribulation
Aug 2, 7:38 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): a reading from the letter of st paul the ephesians 1:3-6-12
Aug 2, 7:39 PM
Ruth (Guest): That Scripture verse taken out of context has been used in the present age to justify slavery. Not good!
Aug 2, 7:40 PM
VisitationSiste: Why is patience such a key virtue in this pursuit of virtue?
Aug 2, 7:41 PM
Ruth (Guest): Answer I think is in Romans 8. I
Aug 2, 7:43 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): brother and sisters: blessed be God the father of our lord jesus christ.who has blessed us in jesus christ with every spiritual blessings in the heaven,as he choose us in him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before him. in love he destined us for a adoption to himself through christ as ,in accord with favor of his love.for the praise of the glory of his grace that guide us in his love.
Aug 2, 7:44 PM
VisitationSiste: I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
Aug 2, 7:44 PM
VisitationSiste: is this the reference Ruth?
Aug 2, 7:48 PM
VisitationSiste: welcome viewers
Aug 2, 7:48 PM
Ruth (Guest): ‘-ll check. No Romans 5:8 ff: RSV trans, . . . We rejoice in our sufferings knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces charachter, and charachter produces hope, and hope does not disappoint us . .
Aug 2, 7:48 PM
VisitationSiste: ah yes thanks!
Aug 2, 7:49 PM
VisitationSiste: I pray for patience alot- coming from NYC- not a natural characteristic
Aug 2, 7:50 PM
Ruth (Guest): because God’s Love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us.
Aug 2, 7:51 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): ruth a reading from the letter of st james,james 5:7-10 be patient ,brothers and sisters until the lord jesus comming.see how the farmers wait for the good fruit of the earth.be patient with it until it receive the early and the late rain you must be patient .make you heart firm becuase the comming of the lord is at the hand.
Aug 2, 7:51 PM
Ruth (Guest): So patience produces (not only is a consequence of) hope.
Aug 2, 7:52 PM
VisitationSiste: How can we avoid “over eagerness and agitation” with the sweetness of temper that Saint Francis mentions?
Aug 2, 7:53 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): jesus say the blind can see the lame can walk and lepers are cleansed and the death can listen and hear and the dead will raised and the poor have hope and good news for those people who hear my name and trust me
Aug 2, 7:54 PM
VisitationSiste: Slowing down helps!
Aug 2, 7:55 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, trusting God is key.
Aug 2, 7:55 PM
Ruth (Guest): But if I got any slower I think I would be going backwards!
Aug 2, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: that’s agood one Ruth!!
Aug 2, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: and sometimes I do things backwards!
Aug 2, 7:57 PM
VisitationSiste: Not all have a sweet temper but at least one can avoid too much agitation with concentration
Aug 2, 7:58 PM
Ruth (Guest): You amaze me, Sr. Susan, how you do each job punctually, even when unexpected demands come; you change gear, attend to it, and then are back at the next task.
Aug 2, 7:58 PM
VisitationSiste: That is the Lord’s grace!
Aug 2, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Dawn!
Aug 2, 7:59 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): the lord keep faith forever and secured justice for the oppressed give food to those who lost hope and hungry the lord sets captives free the lord give sight to the blind the lord raised his people who were bow down and worship him.the lord love just the lord protect his people away from the devil.the lord will reign forever you God o zion through all the generation.
Aug 2, 8:00 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Dawn.
Aug 2, 8:01 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Susan! And Ruth. Difficulty signing in
Aug 2, 8:01 PM
Ruth (Guest): “work diligently and yet without straining”
Aug 2, 8:02 PM
Dawn (Guest): And Betty!
Aug 2, 8:02 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): jesus say the holy spirit of the lord come upon me and becuase he has call me to bring all the great news to the poor.Mathew 11:2-11
Aug 2, 8:02 PM
VisitationSiste: St Francis de Sales had a fierce temper but he controlled it so well he is called the gentlemen saint
Aug 2, 8:02 PM
Ruth (Guest): I worry about my primary care doctor. He is always overwhelmed, and SAYS he is overwhelmed.
Aug 2, 8:02 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): HI dawn How are you? this is betty
Aug 2, 8:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): I am doing well thank you!
Aug 2, 8:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): Reading back on chat
Aug 2, 8:04 PM
VisitationSiste: at least he is honest Ruth
Aug 2, 8:04 PM
Ruth (Guest): He’s kind of new to the area. The computer and paperwork gobble up so much of his time. I think they should provide a scribe for him, someone well-trained in medicine.
Aug 2, 8:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol Ann
Aug 2, 8:04 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, and he is caring, compassionate.
Aug 2, 8:05 PM
Ruth (Guest): But he is following a doctor who typical “saw” over forty patients per day. And he needs a good hour for complicated patients, which he has a good number of.
Aug 2, 8:06 PM
VisitationSiste: Saint Francis gives the analogy of our efforts on earth being compared to a child who builds a small house or tower that easily gets knocked over causing frustration. How can we avoid “adult tantrums” when our “little house” is knocked over?
Aug 2, 8:06 PM
Carol Ann: Hi everyone!
Aug 2, 8:07 PM
Ruth (Guest): Some kids build their towers in order to be able to knock them over!
Aug 2, 8:07 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): sister susan a reading from the letter of psalm 24:1-2 3-4 5-6 let the lord enter our life for he is king of glory . the lord are the earth and its fullness the world and those who dwell in it for he found upond the seas and bird and animal and the sky like beutiful world of garden eden and he established it upon the rivers. let the lord enter our life for he is king of the kings lord of lords. alelluia Amen
Aug 2, 8:08 PM
Carol Ann: Ruth, we sat in the office one day…each doctor now needs 800 hours per year just for compliance paperwork, before they do a single other thing!
Aug 2, 8:09 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): where is sr susan I wondered.
Aug 2, 8:09 PM
VisitationSiste: here
Aug 2, 8:09 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Carol Anne
Aug 2, 8:10 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Carol Ann. Yes, I do not think that requiring so much paperwork is good.
Aug 2, 8:10 PM
Carol Ann: Hi Sr Susan Marie!
Aug 2, 8:11 PM
Carol Ann: Its the only way under the new law to “prove” that they are doing what they’re supposed to
Aug 2, 8:12 PM
VisitationSiste: an adult tantrum is pretty ugly- it’s best to grow up and learn to control our passions
Aug 2, 8:14 PM
Dawn (Guest): Perhaps with life experience we learn our plans are often undone, don’t to put so much belief in effort equals expected results
Aug 2, 8:14 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): what lessons do you learn from the prayer session held the by paul and silas how can you apply these principles to the difficult circumstances you experience? God you are the holy enthroned in the praise of israel psalm 22:3
Aug 2, 8:14 PM
Carol Ann: Sorry, lost my wifi for a minute
Aug 2, 8:14 PM
Ruth (Guest): Carol Ann, so much attention is paid to the computer that they usually do not actually DO a physical exam. And some fake it by clicking default.
Aug 2, 8:15 PM
Carol Ann: Yeah, because they’re only allowed fifteen minutes
Aug 2, 8:15 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thinking Gods will be done
Aug 2, 8:17 PM
VisitationSiste: How can we take the courage to march on in the spiritual life, despite our imperfection
Aug 2, 8:17 PM
Carol Ann: By remembering that Jedus is with us and healing us as we go
Aug 2, 8:17 PM
Ruth (Guest): People are much more likely to have an adult temper tantrum when put under time pressure or “productivity” pressure. And with a doctor that can be ugly indeed!
Aug 2, 8:18 PM
Dawn (Guest): I find sewing, tho relaxing, can be a trial of patience sometimes
Aug 2, 8:18 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): what truth has God shown you recently ? did you recieve it as a bitter pill or sweet honey.God and jesus is the truth and his love is sweet like sacred heart of love. that is why we have honor the novena the blessed sacred heart mercy of jesus.
Aug 2, 8:18 PM
Ruth (Guest): Or when children have to cope with adults who do not keep their cool in difficult situations. They learn to behave similarly.\
Aug 2, 8:18 PM
Carol Ann: Like knitting, Dawn šš
Aug 2, 8:19 PM
VisitationSiste: The Holy Spirit gives us the courage to keep on keeping on, if we ask
Aug 2, 8:19 PM
Ruth (Guest): Knitting?
Aug 2, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes!! knitting. I dont knit but I can see how many loops then have to unravel and do again
Aug 2, 8:20 PM
Carol Ann: Yes, I have a box if my grandmother’s knitting needles, which demanded that I learn how to use them
Aug 2, 8:20 PM
Ruth (Guest): “Rest if you must, but don’t you quit.”
Aug 2, 8:21 PM
Dawn (Guest): My reply to Carol Ann’s comment
Aug 2, 8:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): Or painting can be another activity where our patience challenged
Aug 2, 8:22 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): sister susan marie. how does you response to the brokenness of this world and compare to the christ balance of the justice and mercy? where do you need God love and help to enable you to show his compassion to the others. dear lord jesus I thankyou for you love whose strength and tenderness perfect reveal you heart for the lost world.
Aug 2, 8:22 PM
Carol Ann: We call that frogging because you rip-it rip-it
Aug 2, 8:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): The quote is from a poem I read when I was in 6th grade and committed to memory. I don’t know who wrote it. “When things go wrong , as they sometimes will. . .
Aug 2, 8:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): frogging
Aug 2, 8:24 PM
VisitationSiste: Good prayer Betty
Aug 2, 8:24 PM
Carol Ann: Thats a great poem, as like Betty said, the world can be so overwhelming
Aug 2, 8:24 PM
Dawn (Guest): poems can be helpful!
Aug 2, 8:24 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): I was study not only just bible but the book call our daily bread I study bove english and chinese bible and our daily bread.
Aug 2, 8:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): Betty…do you know a Scripture that pertains to patience?
Aug 2, 8:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh. Then there is childish anger and Holy anger
Aug 2, 8:27 PM
Carol Ann: We just talked about holy anger in my formation today!
Aug 2, 8:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): Good! Can you share any?
Aug 2, 8:29 PM
Ruth (Guest): Anger?
Aug 2, 8:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): I was thinking of Jesus turning tables
Aug 2, 8:29 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): we must read the bible and pray and ask God for his love and pertain and patience that is why we must ask the holy ghost to help us.that is why jesus christ sent a holy ghost to guide us in his love for anything dawn.that is my answer to you that is what I think. let us seek the holy spirit from jesus only
Aug 2, 8:29 PM
Carol Ann: We are reading a book on Eastern and Western thought on contemplation and read about incensive power, or will
Aug 2, 8:30 PM
Carol Ann: And how our passions are neutral but how we use them is either positive ir negative
Aug 2, 8:30 PM
Carol Ann: Anger always destroys, but we can direct that anger to root out what does not belong to God
Aug 2, 8:31 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes. That always comes up. The teacher or parent has “holy anger” the child, childish anger. Facetiously said.
Aug 2, 8:32 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): anger from the humankind for no reason that is belong to satan the devil . because satan lucifer ask you disobey God and do evil things and grow evil anger. sister susan
Aug 2, 8:32 PM
Carol Ann: Very! Haha. The point is to direct that anger toward rooting out sin in yourself, not in destroying the other person
Aug 2, 8:32 PM
VisitationSiste: great comments- thanks all for sharing! Blessings of the week!
Aug 2, 8:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): So how to keep on. Pray for preserverence.
Aug 2, 8:33 PM
Carol Ann: God bless you Sister!
Aug 2, 8:34 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): sister susan I will call you in friday if I dont call you I will email you if I have anything tell you. but if I have anything to say I email you .
Aug 2, 8:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you for thoughtful comments! God bless you all…I say goodnight thankful for the gems received
Aug 2, 8:35 PM
Carol Ann: Have a good week Dawn!
Aug 2, 8:36 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): I going to walk exercise I need to leave I will chat with you next time
Aug 2, 8:36 PM
Carol Ann: Good night everyone!
Aug 2, 8:36 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thank you, Sister. Finding the right way to express anger, that is the virtue we need to learn. There are lots of things to be angry about but we need to remember that the same Jesus who turned over the money changers’ tables, was gentle with the woman caught in adultery, gentle with children, gentle even with the tax collector.
Aug 2, 8:37 PM
Guest5640 (Guest): good night everyone say bettychao
Aug 2, 8:38 PM
Ruth (Guest): Good night everyone, have a blessed week.
Aug 2, 9:58 PM
Guest9432 (Guest): Iām always too late to join the conversation but I appreciate the weekly reflection. Thank you for your service in the name of Christ Jesus.