How/why does Jesus’ afflictions bring us tranquility?2. What does it mean to love Jesus’ death, his grief, his torment, his being spat upon, vituperated, deprived, his being hungry and thirsty and despised? Is this masochistic? 3. Discuss St. Francis cautioning of the fastidious use of the idea of poverty.4. At the conclusion St. Francis mentions that we should not be worried about going to Mass if we had just eaten. Does this mean the discipline of fasting before Mass is unimportant?5. Do you get the se
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VisitationSiste: 5. Do you get the sense that St. Francis is saying “Don’t fret the small stuff?” How is this problem helped by “looking at the Lord in all the afflictions that beset him”?
6. What does it mean that reverence is in the heart?
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VisitationSiste: Sun chat Dec 13 730pm est
Dec 13, 5:43 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Brian
Dec 13, 7:26 PM
VisitationSiste: welcome viewers
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VisitationSiste: hello guest
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Guest3544 (Guest): my first time in chat room
Dec 13, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: welcome and glad you are here
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Guest3544 (Guest): Thank youu sister
Dec 13, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: q1 How/why does Jesus’ afflictions bring us tranquility?
Dec 13, 7:37 PM
VisitationSiste: were you able to read the newsletter
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Guest3544 (Guest): yes sister
Dec 13, 7:38 PM
VisitationSiste: great!
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Guest3544 (Guest): when we go through hardship it is easier us to bear
Dec 13, 7:39 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes and sometimes our burdens are huge but still Jesus carried the heaviest burdens -and for us
Dec 13, 7:40 PM
VisitationSiste: How did you find out about the chatroom?
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VisitationSiste: Usually more people are here
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VisitationSiste: I think St Francis de Sales was a good director of souls and knew the human heart very well
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VisitationSiste: So many things he said to his directees can aplly to people today even though he lived 400 years ago
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Guest3544 (Guest): I saw video on utube, an interview given by siister, I sent an email to sister 3 years ago saying I like to learn whether sister ccan help
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VisitationSiste: If someone does not have a spiritual director reading his letters and other works helps alot
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VisitationSiste: Can help with what area?
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VisitationSiste: You mean spiritual direction?
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Guest3544 (Guest): like to have a deeper understanding of what christianit teach us and to learn to pray
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Guest3544 (Guest): yes sister
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VisitationSiste: There are many kinds of prayer- vocal prayers either formal ones from a book or something from your own heart
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Guest3544 (Guest): likke what we are learning today
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VisitationSiste: Also praying with the Bible
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VisitationSiste: Some of today’s questions are not very easy but they are to help us think and as you said go deeper
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Guest3544 (Guest): like to learn to pray from the heart and praying with the bible
Dec 13, 7:51 PM
VisitationSiste: Normally I would say to to a Catholic Church and be before Jesus in the tabernacle but with the virus around that may not be possible
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VisitationSiste: 2. What does it mean to love Jesus’ death, his grief, his torment, his being spat upon, vituperated, deprived, his being hungry and thirsty and despised? Is this masochistic?
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VisitationSiste: This is not an easy question for example
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Guest3544 (Guest): what is masochistic
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VisitationSiste: But idf you read in the Bible about this part of Jesus life then you could speak to Him as if you were present at the scene. What would you say to Him?
Dec 13, 7:53 PM
VisitationSiste: I think it means loving suffering for the wrong reason, like beating up on yourself because of low self esteem I will check the dictionary!
Dec 13, 7:54 PM
VisitationSiste: enjoying an activity that appears to be painful or tedious.
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VisitationSiste: It is a negative thing not a good thing
Dec 13, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: I think what St Francis de Sales is trying to teach is that we as the mystical Body of Christ can offer our own sufferings with Jesus’ sufferings- loving them because we then get to share very closely in Jesus’ life
Dec 13, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: But God has to call you to this understanding. Each of us is in a different spiritual place. That is why it is good to have someone guide you
Dec 13, 7:59 PM
VisitationSiste: Should we continue with another question? Or would you rather talk about something else, since no one else has joined us tonight?
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Guest3544 (Guest): i understand that we offer our suffering to jesus
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VisitationSiste: That is a powerful understanding.
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VisitationSiste: What about this q: 3. Discuss St. Francis cautioning of the fastidious use of the idea of poverty.
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Guest3544 (Guest): sister I folllow say the holy Rosary and the mass live in Our Lady of Lourdes shrine
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Guest3544 (Guest): daily
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Guest3544 (Guest): I read the psalms in the morning for about 30 min
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VisitationSiste: So you are doing just fine!
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Guest3544 (Guest): And I say praise and glory to Holy Trinity 3 times as soon as I wake up and praise and Glory to Holy Family
Dec 13, 8:05 PM
Guest3544 (Guest): And follow with praying the Holy Roseary
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VisitationSiste: You seem to have a good sense of vocal prayer and scriptural with the psalms
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VisitationSiste: Prayer hopefully helps us with our daily living
Dec 13, 8:07 PM
VisitationSiste: So in the question above for discussion I think St Francis means that people can be “fussy” or too complaining about the little sacrifices in life
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VisitationSiste: But good prayer will help us move away from that attitude
Dec 13, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: You mentioned prayer of the heart. and St Francis mentionred that reverence is in the heart
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VisitationSiste: How do you think about that connection?
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Guest3544 (Guest): I think that honest and true feelings come out when you pray from the heart
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VisitationSiste: it is true and our will can also be moved to love God more
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Guest3544 (Guest): we love God, how do you love God more
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VisitationSiste: He gives us this love from His Sacred heart I believe
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VisitationSiste: Keep asking for His Love to fill you and then you can love Him with His Love
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VisitationSiste: hello guest 7362
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Guest7362 (Guest): Hello
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VisitationSiste: Have you been here before or your first time too? We are up to question 4: 4. At the conclusion St. Francis mentions that we should not be worried about going to Mass if we had just eaten. Does this mean the discipline of fasting before Mass is unimportant?
Dec 13, 8:18 PM
Guest7362 (Guest): First time
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VisitationSiste: We are basing discussion on the newsletter, St Francis de Sales letter
Dec 13, 8:20 PM
Guest7362 (Guest): Do I need to read the newsletter before coming here?
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Guest3544 (Guest): It means we need not worry about the little things.Sister is this given by the church
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Guest3544 (Guest): I mean is this a rule given by the church
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VisitationSiste: No you don’t have to read but it may help in understanding the questions.
Dec 13, 8:23 PM
Guest7362 (Guest): Is there a book on his newsletters
Dec 13, 8:23 PM
VisitationSiste: No it is St Francis de Sales advice to that particular woman who may have suffered from an overly sensitive conscience in general. I would suggest we all remain with what the Church teaches.
Dec 13, 8:24 PM
VisitationSiste: He has a book of letters on line and these weekly newsletters are on the website here.
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VisitationSiste: http://www.icontact-archive.com/cm/R5nWYuGBvcjLr0Upt8Xgw2SPepdyDAk83107hbwwwyfkzhih1PDfhA==?w=3
Dec 13, 8:25 PM
Guest7362 (Guest): Where can I find the book of his letters online?
Dec 13, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: here are some of them https://www.google.com/books/edition/Library_of_St_Francis_de_Sales_Letters_t/0wXALDW6cDoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=st+francis+de+sales+letters&printsec=frontcover
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VisitationSiste: and some more https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_selection_from_the_spiritual_letters_o/bgEDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=st+francis+de+sales+letters&printsec=frontcover
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Guest7362 (Guest): Thank you, sister
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VisitationSiste: your welcome
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VisitationSiste: I have to leave now Blessings!
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Guest3544 (Guest): sister todays teacching helped me sine I was going throug a difficult time