What does it mean to be patient with ourselves?2. What did we learn from St. Francis regarding the importance of what we do during meditation?3. Why should we be flexible, instead of rigid, with our commitment to devotions and practices? Can our flexibility go too far?4. The recipient of this letter seems to think that she should spend the day praying and meditating, but not working or getting involved in worldly things. And yet she is not supposed to live the life of a cloistered nun or monk. Why is it
Mar 14, 1:41 PM
VisitationSiste: good for one vocation but not the other?
5. Discuss this quote: “Everything conveyed to us by sight is to some extent dangerous, for seeing a thing puts us in peril of loving it; but if we have really made up our mind, what we see does us no harm.”
6. Why should we despise the world’s esteem and its judgment?
Mar 14, 1:42 PM
VisitationSiste: newsletter for chat: http://www.icontact-archive.com/archive?c=1029793&f=1988&s=2046&m=613109&t=44f0d18c19339967b1be43b205c1596fa07d3b2574e5f4560987969cb886fdda
Mar 14, 1:42 PM
VisitationSiste: Chat Sun Mar 14 730pm est
Mar 14, 7:20 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Hi Sr Susan Marie!
Mar 14, 7:31 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi
Mar 14, 7:31 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: I wonder where everyone is today
Mar 14, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: I do not know Maybe they cant get in I am having bandwidth problems again
Mar 14, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Brian
Mar 14, 7:33 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: We have had a week of snow and hail. Today it’s just chilly
Mar 14, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: It is windy here
Mar 14, 7:33 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Hi Brian!
Mar 14, 7:33 PM
Brian (Guest): Hi Sister Susan And Carol Ann !!! God Bless You !!!!
Mar 14, 7:34 PM
VisitationSiste: Carol Anne you dont show up on the side Maybe others do not either?
Mar 14, 7:34 PM
VisitationSiste: you know the list
Mar 14, 7:34 PM
VisitationSiste: welcome viewers
Mar 14, 7:34 PM
VisitationSiste: we can start if you want
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: 1. What does it mean to be patient with ourselves?
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: I can see me
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: funny I cant Can you Brian
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Betty!
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Hi Betty Chao!
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: Hi Dawn!
Mar 14, 7:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi everyone!
Mar 14, 7:36 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Hi Dawn! How’s your weather?
Mar 14, 7:36 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Dear sr Susan hi how are you? I am so happy I make it so it won’t be late because I am outside now I am back to home talk to you. I am so miss you mother Susan Marie. This is bettychao to sr Susan Marie.
Mar 14, 7:37 PM
Brian (Guest): I can’t see Carol Ann ! Hi Dawn and Bettychao !!!! God Bless You !!!!!
Mar 14, 7:37 PM
VisitationSiste: Are you in Kansas Betty
Mar 14, 7:38 PM
VisitationSiste: 1. What does it mean to be patient with ourselves?
Mar 14, 7:38 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: I often joke that I’m invisible, haha
Mar 14, 7:38 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol Ann. we are expecting a big snow storm this evening. and yesterday was warm and lovely. Love the spring. I saw you wrote youve had snow…yay
Mar 14, 7:38 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I am in Kansas City i am just back from mall to home I live in my sister Monica home.
Mar 14, 7:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Susan, Brian, Betty, Carol Ann. Im glad we are all here
Mar 14, 7:39 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: And hail and lightning. A very entertaining week
Mar 14, 7:39 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I am go to my old church for mass today that church is cure of ars Catholic Church.
Mar 14, 7:40 PM
VisitationSiste: Ruth cant get in yet but she e mailed me and I sent her the questions
Mar 14, 7:40 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: I think being patient with yourself means to not expect perfection, but improvement. And not to be hard on yourself if you don’t progress as fast as you think you should
Mar 14, 7:40 PM
VisitationSiste: Beautiful Saint t he cure of ars I was there in Ars in 2009
Mar 14, 7:41 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes and in every little thing not to get angry at oneself
Mar 14, 7:41 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sister Susan how is sr Jennifer koo? How is her health? Thank you for pray for me and my save trip now in Tuesday I go to Dallas from Kansas.
Mar 14, 7:41 PM
VisitationSiste: and not to call oneself names!
Mar 14, 7:41 PM
Dawn (Guest): Is St F writing to St Jane here in this letter?
Mar 14, 7:41 PM
VisitationSiste: all is fine Betty
Mar 14, 7:42 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: It seems tome we might be sinning if we entertain that kind of anger against ourselves
Mar 14, 7:42 PM
VisitationSiste: I think the attribution in the letter is a mistake- it is either to a lay woman or to St Jane
Mar 14, 7:43 PM
VisitationSiste: 2. What did we learn from St. Francis regarding the importance of what we do during meditation?
Mar 14, 7:43 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sister Susan you say we do not call oneself name what is that mean can you explained to me? Bettychao
Mar 14, 7:43 PM
Brian (Guest): Picking on ourselves can be another terrible form of pride !!! A lack of trust in God and His Forgiveness !!!!
Mar 14, 7:44 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: His patience is geared toward salvation so ours should be also
Mar 14, 7:44 PM
VisitationSiste: like Betty if I make a mistake I should not say to myself how dumb I am, something like that
Mar 14, 7:46 PM
VisitationSiste: In meditation one can use a book or not, one can simply gaze on the Lord
Mar 14, 7:47 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: There is also beautiful art that can help us focus
Mar 14, 7:47 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes like an Eastern icon?
Mar 14, 7:48 PM
VisitationSiste: One can spend 15 min, a half hour, an hour. On Holy Thurs nite here we mite spend 3 hours
Mar 14, 7:48 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Yes, and also more mainstream art that is being done now
Mar 14, 7:49 PM
VisitationSiste: religious art, or scenery and landscapes?
Mar 14, 7:49 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: https://www.pinterest.com/timberlinemist/jesus-and-children/
Mar 14, 7:50 PM
Dawn (Guest): I agree, art esp sacred art is a beautiful thing to draw us close.
Mar 14, 7:50 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: These are some of my favorites. Pinterest.com/timberlinemist/mary/
Mar 14, 7:50 PM
VisitationSiste: I have not seen so many children in art- thanks!
Mar 14, 7:51 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: It’s taken awhile to gather so many
Mar 14, 7:51 PM
VisitationSiste: Great teaching tool as well as for meditation- it would help our students
Mar 14, 7:51 PM
VisitationSiste: Welcome William!
Mar 14, 7:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): thank you Carol Ann! I will spend some time on your board.
Mar 14, 7:52 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Oh! You could have them draw a picture of themselves with Jesus!
Mar 14, 7:52 PM
VisitationSiste: 3. Why should we be flexible, instead of rigid, with our commitment to devotions and practices? Can our flexibility go too far?
Mar 14, 7:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): great idea!
Mar 14, 7:53 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: I keep trying to send the one with Mary, but I keep making mistakes
Mar 14, 7:53 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan is best way we need to confess our sins to chaplet of divine mercy the sacred heart of Jesus and then make confession with the father priest I remember when I make confession the priest ask me say more rosaries and studied bible and spend time with divine mercy Jesus. That is fr bill tell me when I make my second confession. To sr Susan from bettychao
Mar 14, 7:54 PM
Dawn (Guest): I had planned several things to do, devotions I guess, during Lent. But none of it , Ive done none of them. I dont know what to make of it, but its helpful to read not to be to harsh on myself
Mar 14, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: I understand Dawn.! One thing chosen is best
Mar 14, 7:55 PM
Brian (Guest): Had the Privelege of assisting in vaccination clinic at our hospital for COVID 19 . Soo Many Beautiful People with Developmental Disabilities with their family members friends or Staff !!!! God has done Soo much through Soo many people too help people with Soo many different disabilities too live a better life in the past 40 years !!!
Mar 14, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: So great Brian!
Mar 14, 7:55 PM
VisitationSiste: Betty yes confession is a treasure
Mar 14, 7:55 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Mom tell me always confession with Jesus and then don’t be make mistake in you life by disobey the Ten Commandments. We sin is not obey Ten Commandments of Jesus.
Mar 14, 7:55 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Much better than hiding them away
Mar 14, 7:56 PM
VisitationSiste: flexibility with our devotions based on circumstances, vs flexibility because we are inconstant. All different ways we are changeable
Mar 14, 7:57 PM
VisitationSiste: Rigidity is never a good thing in the spiritual life
Mar 14, 7:58 PM
VisitationSiste: 4. The recipient of this letter seems to think that she should spend the day praying and meditating, but not working or getting involved in worldly things. And yet she is not supposed to live the life of a cloistered nun or monk. Why is it good for one vocation but not the other?
Mar 14, 7:58 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: I think we can be flexible with when during the day we pray privately and the devotions we might use, but we must never not pray
Mar 14, 7:58 PM
Dawn (Guest): This is helpful, Sr. Thank you
Mar 14, 8:00 PM
VisitationSiste: I think the #4 question is misleading. Monks and nuns also work tho they may pray interiorly while doing so
Mar 14, 8:00 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I was listen to a Cantonese hymns this songs name call who can take place of Jesus . That hymns tell us jesus is king of king lords of lords and no one can take place of him. To sr Susan from bettychao
Mar 14, 8:01 PM
VisitationSiste: That song sounds also like one in English as well Betty
Mar 14, 8:01 PM
VisitationSiste: During retreats I spend much more time in formal meditation but even then one needs a break!
Mar 14, 8:02 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: And prayer and mediation are also hard work
Mar 14, 8:03 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes certain prayer takes much energy
Mar 14, 8:04 PM
VisitationSiste: But it is true that different vocations take on different aspects of prayertime
Mar 14, 8:05 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr susan when I was read my Bible they have st Francis Assisi prayed for make a channel of you peace that is also from the Ten Commandments of God is when there is hate I show love and respect if you care about eachother and love one another the pictures of sacred heart of Jesus draw in you heart or you life.
Mar 14, 8:05 PM
VisitationSiste: I remember putting it this way early on in my religious life.. when I worked, prayer was the space in between my job in the monastery work was the space inbetween my prayertime
Mar 14, 8:05 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: That is beautiful and so very true
Mar 14, 8:05 PM
Dawn (Guest): a thought of Brother Lawrence, Practice of the Presence of God. He shares much about prayer at any time, all times, even amongst the pots and pans.
Mar 14, 8:06 PM
Brian (Guest): If we are too rigid we Lose the Opportunity too Share the Love of God too Others !!!! That’s why Jesus was Soo tough on the Rigid !!! They were misrepresenting God !!! They had no Love for God or Others !!!!!
Mar 14, 8:06 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes good example- his book is very comforting and simple but profound
Mar 14, 8:06 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan. If some people come to visit nuns during COVID what should you do ? When somebody want visit monastery nuns.
Mar 14, 8:07 PM
VisitationSiste: We are not taking visitors right now
Mar 14, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: 5. Discuss this quote: “Everything conveyed to us by sight is to some extent dangerous, for seeing a thing puts us in peril of loving it; but if we have really made up our mind, what we see does us no harm.”
Mar 14, 8:08 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes, Brian the Pharisee’s in John Gospel. Amazing Scripture there!
Mar 14, 8:09 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan you not taking any visitors because COVID 19 when I see you monastery in youtube all is old senior nuns so you have to think about them to protect them that is what I think.
Mar 14, 8:09 PM
Dawn (Guest): such a clear example of (speaking) Truth
Mar 14, 8:09 PM
VisitationSiste: That is exactly why we are not taking visitors right now!!
Mar 14, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: Interesting quote. but not sure how it really applies to daily life and prayer
Mar 14, 8:12 PM
Dawn (Guest): perhaps he does not mean spiritually by sight, rather just seeing things?
Mar 14, 8:12 PM
VisitationSiste: Then again, if I see an interesting book, I usually have a desire for it even if I dont get it
Mar 14, 8:12 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Oh I bet you’re right Dawn
Mar 14, 8:12 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I think sr anna Maria speak spainish I have some nuns as my best friend they speak spainish. One of the nun from their monastery name sr anna nubiola she talk English spainish and Catalan and French she accept me as her not just best friends but grand daulgter and she tell me keep read the Bible and find truth.
Mar 14, 8:13 PM
Brian (Guest): If we remain close too God our view of anything is Soo much different ! If we are in darkness away from God we have a totally different perspective that is not good !!!!
Mar 14, 8:13 PM
Dawn (Guest): however, he says “conveyed to us…” as tho it is meant a spiritual insight?
Mar 14, 8:14 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes Brian, this is true!!
Mar 14, 8:14 PM
VisitationSiste: maybe either way, either physical sight or spiritual
Mar 14, 8:14 PM
VisitationSiste: Once I heard that saints see the good in everything
Mar 14, 8:14 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Spiritual seems the more dangerous as we are so easily blinded
Mar 14, 8:17 PM
VisitationSiste: and that touches our emotions and other inward areas
Mar 14, 8:17 PM
Brian (Guest): An isolated Christian is a paralyzed Christian !!! God really wants us too have the support and encouragement of a community of Believers the Church !!!!!
Mar 14, 8:17 PM
Dawn (Guest): The saints…seem to have a depth to their sight , I suppose why it is so good to read them
Mar 14, 8:17 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan before I go to church and learn Bible I was have mental problem love to ride my sister back and hit and fight and argue with her. But I am happy when I go to church I read bible learn more sermons and I find out the truth and God find me so I pologized to God and I pologized to my sister so we become care about eachother and love eachother still now. Mom is so happy God change my life.for sr Susan from betty
Mar 14, 8:18 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes Betty you are close to God and your mom too!
Mar 14, 8:18 PM
VisitationSiste: Dawn, good point too- the depth of sight, or insight
Mar 14, 8:19 PM
VisitationSiste: last q 6. Why should we despise the world’s esteem and its judgment?
Mar 14, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): Gods ways are not our ways.
Mar 14, 8:20 PM
Bettychao (Guest): You know when I talk to sr anna nubiola (nun) she tell me I always pray for you please pray for me and sr Teresa forcades and her mission . Sr forcades is redical nun from her monastery she is MD and phd and principle .
Mar 14, 8:21 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: The world changes itself on a whim. It is unstable
Mar 14, 8:21 PM
VisitationSiste: You are helping people of responsibility with your prayers Betty
Mar 14, 8:21 PM
VisitationSiste: That is for sure Carol Anne, in my lifetime so much has changed!
Mar 14, 8:22 PM
Bettychao (Guest): You too sr Susan you prayer is also helpful to those church minister too because you are in one of them.
Mar 14, 8:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): becoming more so!
Mar 14, 8:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): The time has gone so quickly tonight
Mar 14, 8:23 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: My, it sure has!
Mar 14, 8:24 PM
Brian (Guest): The Worlds Esteem and Judgement is Always Changing !!!! Gods Love for Us and His Ways are Never Changing !!!! We are Always Secure in the Arms of God !!!! No security in the World !!!
Mar 14, 8:24 PM
Dawn (Guest): Amen
Mar 14, 8:25 PM
VisitationSiste: Set our hearts in HIS HEART
Mar 14, 8:25 PM
VisitationSiste: Stay faithful to the TRUTH, Who is Jesus
Mar 14, 8:25 PM
VisitationSiste: Our inner souls always know
Mar 14, 8:26 PM
Brian (Guest): Amen Sister Susan !!!!
Mar 14, 8:26 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: And snuggle up to the cloud of unknowing
Mar 14, 8:26 PM
VisitationSiste: I hope we all know that reference- beautiful one
Mar 14, 8:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): I appriecate how St F says….Do not inquire much into what the world thinks , do not let it bother you in any way, despise its scale of valvues and its cintempt and let it say what it likes, good or evil. ….perfect!
Mar 14, 8:27 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: That is a timely reminder for me Dawn
Mar 14, 8:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): God highlighted it for me as well
Mar 14, 8:28 PM
VisitationSiste: for all of us!
Mar 14, 8:29 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Because only God sees us and knows us in entirety
Mar 14, 8:29 PM
VisitationSiste: Thank you, each one for being here tonight and helping each other in our blessed faith!
Mar 14, 8:29 PM
VisitationSiste: 4th week of Lent- may you be graced!
Mar 14, 8:29 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Thank you Sister!
Mar 14, 8:29 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Jesus is our good shepherd I have not thing I worry . He make me Rest In Peace in his arms and he bring me back to life and see his sacred heart. He clean my soul by take away my Sins he care about my life for by his holy name and draw himself as divine sacred heart of him.
Mar 14, 8:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): Gods love to you all. thank you!
Mar 14, 8:30 PM
Brian (Guest): My Heart is Restless until I Rest in You !!!!! St Augustine
Mar 14, 8:30 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: Let nothing disturb you
Mar 14, 8:31 PM
Brian (Guest): God Bless You All !!! Keep Shining for Jesus !!!!!!
Mar 14, 8:31 PM
Dawn (Guest): you see, no one can ever truly be alone. not with Jesus, the angels and all the saints! good night God bless
Mar 14, 8:32 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: God bless you too! Have a good week!
Mar 14, 8:32 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Yea through I walk in the darkness I don’t become fraid because Jesus is always with me and his angels protect me and his arms is help me fight all the devil and demon of the world. I promise I accept him as my shepherd lord through Christ the lord amen
Mar 14, 8:32 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: And our friends, the holy angels
Mar 14, 8:32 PM
Carol Ann Chybowski: God bless you Betty Chao
Mar 14, 8:33 PM
Brian (Guest): Amen !!!!!
Mar 14, 8:33 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Ok good night everyone God bless you all. Pray for us.