St. Francis often told St. Janes that his heart was hers. In today’s parlance that sounds romantic, but in the days of this celibate Bishop, how are we to understand what this means?
How can pain be peaceful?
Why is it so important to meditate upon death?
Why do you think the world is so afraid of death? In what ways have we possibly been influenced by these ideas/thoughts?
St. Francis often told St. Janes that his heart was hers. In today’s parlance that sounds romantic, but in the days of this celibate Bishop, how are we to understand what this means?
What is the advantage of formalized prayers? What is the advantage of spontaneous/personal prayer?
Did you find this letter helpful or interesting, it seems we do get some heavy subjects in them sometimes
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
Simone (Guest): It is a looooong one
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): this is good topic tonight. Ive been following Memento Mori Devotions
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: But also insights into our saints
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: What is that Dawn?
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
Simone (Guest): Easter is very appropriate to that topic/
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): Memento Mori…remember you will die
Mar 28, 7:32 PM
VisitationSiste: Ah, yes!!
Mar 28, 7:33 PM
Simone (Guest): yes… a freeing memorare
Mar 28, 7:33 PM
VisitationSiste: The first question was good to ponder: How can pain be peaceful?
Mar 28, 7:34 PM
HI (Guest): Uniting yourself to Christ on the Cross, I find peace in doing that
Mar 28, 7:35 PM
VisitationSiste: Peace is certainly Jesus’ gift to us
Mar 28, 7:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): Daughters of St Paul, Project. I think its TheDaughtersProject.com
Mar 28, 7:35 PM
Simone (Guest): for me there are two ways of peace in pain. 1) I know that it is fully in God’s will and will lead to consolation therefore. and 2) I can feel Jesus right in the middle of the pain ( have not had that experience often but twice very intense)
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Simone (Guest): can you share a little bit of the project Dawn? Is it related to peace in pain?
Mar 28, 7:36 PM
Dawn (Guest): I right away thought physical pain, but not necessarily so
Mar 28, 7:37 PM
HI (Guest): sometimes it emotionally, and Spiritual pain too.
Mar 28, 7:37 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes, Peace is Jesus’ gift to us. “Peace be with you”.. I just recently started to pay attention to this. I think it is much deeper than I understand it
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Simone (Guest): If it is a gift from Jesus, why am I not more often stretching out my hands to receive this gift? Why do I so often think I have to create it, instead of receiving it?
Mar 28, 7:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): I believe pain could be part of meditating on our death. and dying.
Mar 28, 7:39 PM
Simone (Guest): Dawn.. do you mean that it is painful to meditate on these themes?
Mar 28, 7:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): because…it has to do with dying to our self.
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Brian (Guest): Please Pray for my son Mitch having a very bad episode of anger tonight !!!! God Bless You All !!!!!! Won’t be able to participate this evening !!!!! 7:40 PM
Simone (Guest): oh Brian. so sorry to read this
Mar 28, 7:40 PM
Simone (Guest): Peace be with you and your family
Mar 28, 7:40 PM
Dawn (Guest): Prayers Brian! \
Q2 Why is it so important to meditate upon death?
Why do you think the world is so afraid of death? In what ways have we possibly been influenced by these ideas/thoughts?
Mar 28, 7:44 PM
Simone (Guest): I find it interesting that people are so afraid of death -and still use death so often as a solution to their problems. ( like unwanted pregnancies, physical suffering, ethnic strife, etc…) Cain- the first human after Adam and Eve already started to see death as a solution for his jealousy
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Simone (Guest): We are creating a culture of death – because we do not know how to live 45 PM
Simone (Guest): and at the same time – we fear our own death more than anything else. This is crazy 6 PM
HI (Guest): Most people are afraid of the unknown, and death is the unknown. When I was young I used to think that if we in the womb realize we would be born, we would be afraid to be born, I believe this is the same, death is the unknown. Yes we believe in everlasting life, but we haven’t experienced it yet.
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HI (Guest): I have seen a few people die, and I saw such peace in them.
Mar 28, 7:47 PM
Simone (Guest): I totally agree. That’s why.. when we know GOD better and better – we kind of “know” more about the afterlife – and the fear of the unknown gets smaller.
Mar 28, 7:47 PM
Dawn (Guest): in general we’ve dismissed talking about death, avoiding. As a nurse I have been around death often. more so I have been reading some of the books these sisters write and now the Lenten series.
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Simone (Guest): you mean the Sisters of St. Paul? 7:48 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes. Im looking for link 49 PM
Simone (Guest): I think, one of the most beautiful things in life – is to be allowed to be with a person who dies in peace. 7:49 PM
HI (Guest): Yes it is. You know God is there. 49 PM
HI (Guest): Yes it is. You know God is there.
Mar 28, 7:50 PM
HI (Guest): We are made for intimacy with God, and at the moment of God, we receive that intimacy fully with God.
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HI (Guest): I meant at the moment of death we receive that intimacy fully with God.
Mar 28, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes! finally united!
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VisitationSiste: eternity- we can’t even imagine it Mar 28, 7:52 PM
HI (Guest): I believe the beauty and joy and love cannot be described.
Mar 28, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): my favourite daydream
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HI (Guest): Whenever we have experienced an intimate moment with God, multiply that always. ar 28, 7:54 PM
Simone (Guest): that’s a good way to describe it 8, 7:56 PM
HI (Guest): What I think Heaven is, our union with God, us giving Him the Love we have shown Him on earth and Him giving us all His Love. Its like a circle, my love and His Love for always. 6 PM
HI (Guest): Plus much more.
Mar 28, 7:56 PM
Dawn (Guest): www.pauline.org They are easy to find on all social medias and web. then look for Memento Mori , devotion books etc.
Pauline Books and Media Welcome | Daughters of St. Paul
Mar 28, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): thanks Dawn.. I have done some retreats with them
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VisitationSiste: q-St. Francis often told St. Janes that his heart was hers. In today’s parlance that sounds romantic, but in the days of this celibate Bishop, how are we to understand what this means?
Mar 28, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): as for heaven.. the thing that is so amazing for me -is- that this love will grow infinitively. forever.. never stops. Like C.S. Lewis said – like a book that gets better with each chapter
Mar 28, 7:58 PM
Dawn (Guest): with these sisters? awesome!
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Simone (Guest): yes, they are here in Toronto
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Dawn (Guest): I believe he speaks of God’s love 28, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): I think for both of them GOD was their first love. And in that – their hearts overlapped – they found in each other the love for GOD –
Mar 28, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): not sure if I worded that well – sorry
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Dawn (Guest): you did! 8, 8:01 PM
Dawn (Guest): The closer we come to God the more holy we become. Christ lives in us, and it is him that is loving thru us…or something near this 8, 8:02 PM
HI (Guest): very true
Mar 28, 8:02 PM
Dawn (Guest): Sr is this theologically correct?
Mar 28, 8:03 PM
VisitationSiste: I THINK SO
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VisitationSiste: deep friendships as they had centered inGod- how often does that happen PM
VisitationSiste: deep friendships as they had centered inGod- how often does that happen
Mar 28, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): yes.. friendships centered in God. I like that
Mar 28, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: there are examples of this among several saints
deep friendships as they had centered inGod- how often does that happen
Mar 28, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): yes.. friendships centered in God. I like that
Mar 28, 8:08 PM
VisitationSiste: there are examples of this among several saints
Mar 28, 8:10 PM
Simone (Guest): St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross?
Mar 28, 8:10 PM
VisitationSiste: yes, and st CLARE AND ST FRANCIS
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Dawn (Guest): It is a childish terror to fear death but not to fear sin. St John Chrysosotom 1 PM
Dawn (Guest): also St Augustine
Mar 28, 8:12 PM
VisitationSiste: GREAT STATEMENT
Mar 28, 8:12 PM
Simone (Guest): That’s a great quote
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HI (Guest): terrific
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Dawn (Guest): in the Memento Mori Lenten meditations, she quotes this saint often. profound he is 8:13 PM
HI (Guest): A fear of death can also come because of the knowledge of the serious sins committed and the outcome at the moment of death. :15 PM
Dawn (Guest): here is St Augustine , Tractate 33 on Gospel of John You know not when your last day may come. Are you ungrateful because you have today on which you can improve?
Mar 28, 8:15 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes.. I have seen that in some people. They know that they are “not ready to die” – that they have not made peace with God.. in some ways, they are not afraid of death, but of a death that is ‘to soon”. – before they have prepared
Mar 28, 8:15 PM
Dawn (Guest): We are so blessed in our Catholic faith to have so much and so many to draw from to learn from
Mar 28, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree. What a timeless treasure. Literally
Mar 28, 8:16 PM
HI (Guest): Confession the Sacrament that allows us to experience the Love and Forgiveness of God and truly Go In Peace.
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Dawn (Guest): I love His mother wanted to hear three chapters of Introduction! so beautiful Mar 28, 8:18 PM
Simone (Guest): it seems that she prepared her soul very carefully for her dying
Mar 28, 8:18 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): Good evening everyone..MaryDeAngelis
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Dawn (Guest): Formal…we can pray in unison with others. Spontaneous….reminds me of the term
Mar 28, 8:21 PM
HI (Guest): Spontaneous prayer, not sure, is more of a friendly pray, like talking with a friend. formalized prayer is more centered.
Mar 28, 8:21 PM
Dawn (Guest): I can not spell it. sorry. but the simple cry of a child to our Father
Mar 28, 8:21 PM
Simone (Guest): I find it so hard to pray with formalized prayers. Specially in groups.
Mar 28, 8:22 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): formalized prayers especially those in honor of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus & Mary and those of our beautiful saints draw us into meditation and toward more spontaneous moments of prayer which hopefully draws us closer to the Heart of Jesus
Mar 28, 8:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): So during Mass we pray in unison with others
Mar 28, 8:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): thank you Mary!
Mar 28, 8:22 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes Mary, but my problem is, that the others go on of course in the prayer.. where my heart is fully drawn in meditation on something.
Mar 28, 8:23 PM
Simone (Guest): I do pray the Divine Office as much as I can though
Mar 28, 8:23 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): daily Mass and reception of the Body & Blood of Jesus is for me a must and some private time afterwards in church
Mar 28, 8:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): The Rosary.
Mar 28, 8:23 PM
Simone (Guest): But, I pray it alone – and if an Antiphon draws me into deeper meditation – then I allow myself to sit awhile with it
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VisitationSiste: That’s the advantage of being “alone”!
Mar 28, 8:25 PM
VisitationSiste: In choir, we just keeping moving along, but we can go back and reflect personally later
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MaryDeAngelis (Guest): Rosary ministry in my home for 20 yrs every Tuesday from 1:30 – 3:00..also am professed secular franciscan since 2018
Mar 28, 8:25 PM
Simone (Guest): I think so too.. But then.. there are days, when I listen to the prayers of the Divine office.. just so I hear the community praying and can join. So – we obviously do need both
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Dawn (Guest): a wondrful ministry, Gods blessings 6 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): The Little Office of the Blessed Mother is also form of liturgy of hours
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: Different spiritual streams that we all represent, yet ultimately united
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): Amen!
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: That was the original office the Visitandines used, Mary!
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes, and if I am not mistaken, that it was the official prayer rhythm of the first Visitation sisters
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): A question. when StF mother it says she had the Protestation marked in the book, what is this?
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Simone (Guest): I think so too.. But then.. there are days, when I listen to the prayers of the Divine office.. just so I hear the community praying and can join. So – we obviously do need both
Mar 28, 8:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): a wondrful ministry, Gods blessings
Mar 28, 8:26 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): The Little Office of the Blessed Mother is also form of liturgy of hours
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: Different spiritual streams that we all represent, yet ultimately united
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): Amen!
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
VisitationSiste: That was the original office the Visitandines used, Mary!
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes, and if I am not mistaken, that it was the official prayer rhythm of the first Visitation sisters
Mar 28, 8:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): A question. when StF mother it says she had the Protestation marked in the book, what is this?
Mar 28, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): yes, I was also wondering about this
Mar 28, 8:28 PM
VisitationSiste: I have to look into that one Dawn I don’t actulaly know
Mar 28, 8:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): ok its a interesting sentence
Mar 28, 8:29 PM
Simone (Guest): I have to leave now. Are we meeting next Sunday Sr?
Mar 28, 8:29 PM
VisitationSiste: Yes I will be here if you want
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): Great. I am planning to be on the call.
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: I wll try to find the answer by next week It is in the Introduction I think
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): Need more info on the “Honor guard”
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): Have a blessed Holy Week everyone!
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: Have a blessed Holy Week!
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
HI (Guest): Blessed Easter to all.
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
Dawn (Guest): next Sunday Easter, glad we will meet. and thank you Sr
Mar 28, 8:30 PM
VisitationSiste: It is a special devotion Mary to the pierced Heart of Jesus
Mar 28, 8:31 PM
VisitationSiste: An hour that you offer no matter what you are doing
Mar 28, 8:31 PM
MaryDeAngelis (Guest): Good evening to all and HAPPY BLESSED EASTER one and all..Yes I signed up
Mar 28, 8:31 PM
Dawn (Guest): Blessed Lenten Holy Week to everyone.!
Mar 28, 8:31 PM
VisitationSiste: https://www.guardofhonor-usa.org/
Mar 28, 8:31 PM
VisitationSiste: Blessings to all!
Mar 28, 8:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): Goodnight!