What danger lies in giving way to scrupulosity?What can we do to avoid scrupulosity?Though God asks much of us, what does it mean to entrust everything to his hands?Why is it important to not be overly concerned with our successes and whether we fully fulfilled our duty?Saint Francis says it is better to acquire virtues amidst the ordinary circumstances of life instead of going on a long retreat. When is it good to go on a retreat? Discuss.Some people do not have a lot of responsibilities. For example, thei
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Sr Susan (Guest): . For example, their children might be grown and gone. What are the duties in life of these people?
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Sr Susan (Guest): newsletter link above
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SisterSusan (Guest): welcome viewers
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Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Susan, God bless
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Karen (Guest): hi
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SisterSusan (Guest): Hi Dawn and Karen!
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SisterSusan (Guest): Glad you are here tonight
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Karen (Guest): Hi Sister! ♡
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SisterSusan (Guest): Hi Carol Anne!
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Dawn (Guest): Im reading the story of Mother Angelia, penned by EWTN Raymond Arroyo…wow!
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Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol Anne
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Hi Everyone!
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SisterSusan (Guest): Yes I never read the book but we had the audio book narrated by M Arroyo
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Karen (Guest): hse was an amazing person!
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SisterSusan (Guest): This week is Catholic Sisters week- starts tomorrow I think
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SisterSusan (Guest): Did you know him
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Happy Sisters Week!
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Karen (Guest): *she no.
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Dawn (Guest): Yes, Happy Sisters Week.
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Karen (Guest): Never heard of Sisters week, that’s so cool!
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SisterSusan (Guest): I think it is only a few years that it is celebrated
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SisterSusan (Guest): Mother Angelica had many amazing experiences
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Karen (Guest): I’ll bet she did! I was reading about scrupulosity and how it’s a type of OCD.
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SisterSusan (Guest): I think she even had some visions of St Michael the Archangel
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Carol Ann Chybowski: I remember her saying that it never occured toher that she would be running a TV station
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Carol Ann Chybowski: She did?
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SisterSusan (Guest): Scrupoulosity, yes, is more than just a so called vice, well not vice but often it is a illness
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Simone (Guest): Hi everyone!
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SisterSusan (Guest): OCD is obsessive compulsive disorder?
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SisterSusan (Guest): Hi Simone
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Simone (Guest): Hi Sister!
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Karen (Guest): yes
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SisterSusan (Guest): first Q: What danger lies in giving way to scrupulosity?What can we do to avoid scrupulosity?
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Scrupulosity can keep us from practicing true spirituality
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Dawn (Guest): Mother Angelica….yes, miracles and she is a great spiritual guide
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Karen (Guest): it can lead to going to church less or reading the Bible less if you feel you have inappropriate thoughts.
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Simone (Guest): well – it distortes the relationship with GOD. our need for perfectionism becomes bigger than GOD’s mercy
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Do scrupulosity and pride go hand in hand?
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Simone (Guest): danger is, that your thoughts are so occupied with “lies” that the truth of GOD’s infinite love is not visible anymore
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SisterSusan (Guest): We had a Sister with scrupulosity she had to go to confession every time she saw a priest
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Simone (Guest): Carol, I think so.
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SisterSusan (Guest): I was new and my task was to prevent her from asking for that, at least until the conference was over or whatever the priest was here for
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SisterSusan (Guest): But this Sister was saintly if not an actual saint
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Simone (Guest): oh my.. not an easy task for a young sister I guess
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SisterSusan (Guest): No can you imagine me a novice trying to stop an elderly Sister
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Carol Ann Chybowski: No, it would be a hard task I think, to assist an elder that way
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Simone (Guest): well, several saints went through a phase of scrupulosity. Wasn’t Ignatius of Loyola one of them
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Karen (Guest): ?
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SisterSusan (Guest): Probably but I did not know that about him
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Simone (Guest): They probably knew that you could bring up the courage Sister
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SisterSusan (Guest): I am trying to remmeber
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SisterSusan (Guest): If it is caused by OCD then to prebvent it I guess we would need medication?
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SisterSusan (Guest): If it is caused by something else, alot of spiritual direction, and prayer
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Karen (Guest): or behavior therapy
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Dawn (Guest): A difficult thing to endure !
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Carol Ann Chybowski: If it’s caused by a nervous system disorder that might help. U’mthinking non OCD scrupulosity is caused by fear
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SisterSusan (Guest): I might have had it myself as a kid, I was a worrier when young, but now not the case
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Karen (Guest): yes, fear of doing whatever wrong.
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Simone (Guest): I guess one would have to observe if there are other signs of OCD or mental illness – if there are none, than it is probably safe to say that the problem is in the spiritual realm and the solution too
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Carol Ann Chybowski: I see my auto correct is being naughty
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SisterSusan (Guest): That’s funnY!
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Simone (Guest): if the enemy can’t keep you away from GOD, he tries to twist the relationship with GOD often I find
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SisterSusan (Guest): gOOD INSIGHT
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Karen (Guest): that makes sense
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Carol Ann Chybowski: So some if the worries and plaguing fears could actually be from outside us
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Karen (Guest): Scrupulous saints: St. Therese of Lisieux, St. Katherine Drexel, St. Francis de Sales, and St. Ignatius of Loyola.
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SisterSusan (Guest): How did you find that? Thanks!
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Karen (Guest): blessedisshe.net/blog/scrupulosity-catholic-guilt/
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SisterSusan (Guest): Though God asks much of us, what does it mean to entrust everything to his hands?
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Simone (Guest): Thanks Karen
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Karen (Guest): to give whatever to God, and NOT take it back.
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Karen (Guest): welcome.
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Karen (Guest): Holy Indifference.
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Simone (Guest): yes.
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Karen (Guest): accepting whatever is… even when we don’t like it.
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SisterSusan (Guest): In our prayer and in our soul, we give everything over, and especially our worries
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Dawn (Guest): q2: I understand this to mean surrendering everything to him. Yes, Holy Indifference
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Carol Ann Chybowski: To accept grace and not try to do things on our own
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Karen (Guest): I saw this once: Worry? Don’t Pray. Pray, don’t worry.
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Karen (Guest): Since I like to pray, I try hard not to worry.
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SisterSusan (Guest): Hi Brian! How is the new job?
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Karen (Guest): We can’t do anything on our own… we’re pretty foolish when we think we can!
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Simone (Guest): it also means to change our prayers. Not to cling to our wishes in our prayers. Prayers can sometimes amplify our worries. We need to let worries go through seeking GOD’s face, but sometimes we just cling to them and wrap them in a prayer. At least I prayed like this for years
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SisterSusan (Guest): and when things are impossible for us, or seem so, and we put it in God’s Hands, miracles happen!
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Dawn (Guest): immensely helpful, I may pen a sign when St FdS says beggar and coward that you are, ask forgiveness in any case; and promising God yet again that you will be faithful, just carry straight on.
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Brian (Guest): Hi Sister Susan , Carol Ann , Simone , Dawn , And Karen !!! God Bless You All !!! New Job is going Well !!!!
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Simone (Guest): Hi Brian. Glad to hear that your job is going well
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Dawn (Guest): Hi Brian!! God bless you
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SisterSusan (Guest): Wonderful! Praise God for that!
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Karen (Guest): sometimes God just doesn’t want whatever it is that we want… hard to accept. Especially when you feel like what you want is good.
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Hi Brian!
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SisterSusan (Guest): Dawn, sounds like the sign would be an eye catcher
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Dawn (Guest): Yes, a good reminder I think
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Simone (Guest): hear you Karen. Loud and clearly
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Carol Ann Chybowski: It is, Dawn. The trick is not to be paralyzed by the knowledge of our own sin
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Simone (Guest): yes. that’s a good wording Carol
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Brian (Guest): God sees the Bigger Picture we have a limited view !!!!
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Karen (Guest): that’s for sure!
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SisterSusan (Guest): There is an emergency. I am sorry, I have to go now
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Simone (Guest): Praying. Be well Sister
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Dawn (Guest): Sr, perhaps it could be placed on patio as spring is near!
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Brian (Guest): Prayers for you Sister !!!
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Simone (Guest): Let’s all take a moment and pray for Sister Susan. OK?
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Karen (Guest): Amen
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Brian (Guest): Amen
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Dawn (Guest): Amen
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Amen
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Karen (Guest): q4 Why is it important to not be overly concerned with our successes and whether we fully fulfilled our duty?
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Dawn (Guest): this could lend to pride
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Karen (Guest): true
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Because there will be more duties to perform to the best of our ability
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Karen (Guest): and it prevents us from doing more of God’s will. lol. you typed faster than me.
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Simone (Guest): yes. It also puts the emphasis on the wrong “point” – namely what we DO for God and not WHO WE ARE for GOD
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Karen (Guest): God is working through us..
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Carol Ann Chybowski: We had the same thought Karen
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Dawn (Guest): or…who we are In him
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Brian (Guest): Soo true Dawn !!! We are unprofitable Servants we have done what God wants us to do should be our attitude !!!!
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Dawn (Guest): Yes Brian!
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Which Apostle said that? We just read it at Mass not that long ago
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Karen (Guest): “unprofitable Servants” – that’s a good term
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Karen (Guest): no idea.
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Karen (Guest): q5 Saint Francis says it is better to acquire virtues amidst the ordinary circumstances of life instead of going on a long retreat. When is it good to go on a retreat? Discuss.
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Karen (Guest): I like a retreat when I’m feeling overwhelmed.
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Dawn (Guest): It is a painful path to consider what we have done and why we are not reconized by those who should be reconizing. I trust God, who is showing me how no one reconizes it!! and other such trials
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Carol Ann Chybowski: We are like our Lord in that regard
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Karen (Guest): Luke 17 10So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.'”
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Simone (Guest): Sometimes – we can hear GOd’s voice better, when the voices of the world around us quieter – and that is usually at a retreat. I usually go on a retreat when I feel the need to pray something really “through” – or when my heart feels I need to catch up with a long “visit” with my Jesus
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Thank you Karen!
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Karen (Guest): welcome
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Karen (Guest): a retreat is like getting a jump start when we are off track.
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Carol Ann Chybowski: People did not recognize Him as Son of God so we should not expect that people will see Him in us
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Karen (Guest): good point!
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Brisn (Guest): Daily Mass and Adoration also Help Me !!!!
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Karen (Guest): we are so blessed as catholics, to have so many avenues to bring us closer to God!
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Simone (Guest): so very true
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Karen (Guest): q6 Some people do not have a lot of responsibilities. For example, their children might be grown and gone. What are the duties in life of these people?
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Carol Ann Chybowski: I think it is to serve the community
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Dawn (Guest): Brian. God bless you for being with our Lord so often. <3
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Karen (Guest): To pray for those who are to harried to pray for their situations..
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Simone (Guest): We all are called to make a gift of our-self. Married, non married – with children and without
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Dawn (Guest): Praying for my children and grandchildren first. then for my enemies
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Brisn (Guest): We Live in a Very Hypervigilant World !!!! When we are Truly Faithful too God People Will see God in Us !!!!!! Go Make A Difference !!!! Great Song !!!!! Great Life With God !!!!!! You Can Make a Difference For the Lord !!!!!
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Dawn (Guest): Amen!!
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Karen (Guest): that’s difficult! praying for enemies. I know I’m supposed to…. but I don’t do that well AT ALL!
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Simone (Guest): Before I have to pray for my enemies, I rather befriend them
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Simone (Guest): just kidding ladies
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Karen (Guest): lol
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Karen (Guest): I pray to their guardian angel instead.
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Carol Ann Chybowski: It can be hard to forget what they have done and how I feel. But if I do not pray for their salvation, what could happen? Why wish everlasting horror on God’s child
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Simone (Guest): I guess I am not long enough a Catholic to involve guardian angels in my prayers. I know Padre Pio did
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Karen (Guest): I know I don’t think right about that topic…. but I don’t want certain wicked people who I know up in Heaven…
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Simone (Guest): I just saw that today is March the 7th. 6 years ago today I had my Eucharistic experience, that lead me into the Catholic Church. Oh, what a blessed day it was
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Karen (Guest): I know, I need to get over that.
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Brisn (Guest): When we have all sinned against God we have in effect made ourselves enemies to God !!!! But God in His Great Love for us Gave up His Son Jesus Soo that we Could be Reconciled too Him Forever !!!!! God Loves Us , We Can Love Our Enemies !!!!!!
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Carol Ann Chybowski: I hear you Karen. But God’s mercy would have them their–if they truly turned back
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Simone (Guest): But Karen, in heaven they are not wicked anymore. They will be the best version they can be – and you will delight in them
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Karen (Guest): pray for me to be able to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Carol Ann Chybowski: mean there!
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Simone (Guest): May GOD set your heart free to love them Karen. Definitely not easy
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Karen (Guest): there are no more questions… would you tell us about your Eucharistic experience?
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SisterSusan (Guest): I am back. Sr in infirmary was sick
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Karen (Guest): Thank you Simone. I will pray for that.
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Simone (Guest): Oh good. we have Sister Susan back
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Dawn (Guest): Yes Brian. It helps if I think about the pain in their heart that propells their anger etc towards me. then it is easier to pray for them, when I see their brokenness. of course, only because the Lord has shown me my own…
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Karen (Guest): missed you! glad you’re back!
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SisterSusan (Guest): I’ll just listen in- sounds like a fruitful conversation about Eucharist?
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Simone (Guest): Thanks Karen, for taking over the lead. You did a great job
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SisterSusan (Guest): Yes thank you so much!!
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Karen (Guest): lol. I like cutting and pasting!
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Carol Ann Chybowski: You are terrific Karen
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Simone (Guest): well, it was definitely more than just cutting and pasting
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Dawn (Guest): I hope Sr is feeling better!
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Simone (Guest): I happily share my Eucharistic experience, but I am not sure how to reconcile it with the topic
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Karen (Guest): It would be wonderful Simone if you would share something about your Eucharistic experience!
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Simone (Guest): thank you. You are so kind
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Carol Ann Chybowski: Please?
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Karen (Guest): We can figure that out…
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SisterSusan (Guest): Yes a bit- she felt very bad but seems better now, a little. She has her breathing equipment
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SisterSusan (Guest): I see you finished the questions so it is free to discuss whatever the Spirit moves us to
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Simone (Guest): Well.. I was a protestant for over two decades. A passionate protestant. Loving my bible and GOD. One day my husband said, that he thinks GOD is calling him into the Catholic Church. I was shocked. See. My husband was a protestant pastor for many years and our income depended totally on his job
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Simone (Guest): I could not believe that this is what GOD wanted
Mar 7, 8:11 PMBrisn (Guest): Sometimes because of Deep Hurts People are Angry with God and They will Attack us !! !!! Sometimes this Attack can actually be a beginning of them reaching out too God !!!! When we respond in Love it Allows God too work on this building a relationship with them . Opening the Door too God !!!!