Discuss St. Francis’s nuance of describing joy as “grave.” By grave he explains, “I do not mean gloomy, or affected, somber, disdainful or haughty, but I mean holy and cha
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Visitation SR (Guest): holy and charitable.” What does this mean? What is the signficance of these familiar terms, “father” and “daughter” that we use in our faith? Are they just formal niceties?Why do you believe God reveals Himself to us as “Father”? God is pure spirit (cf. John 4:24) and has no sex/gender. So, what does this term “Father” mean? What can it teach us about biological/earthly fatherhood?Discuss St. Francis’s nuance of describing joy as “grave.” By grave he explains, “I do not mean gloomy, or affected, somber, disdainful or haughty, but I mean holy and cha
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Visitation SR (Guest): holy and charitable.” What does this mean?Discuss this slight disagreement with St. Francis and this other priest about whether someone can go a day without committing a venial sin. Do you think this is possible or not?Did you know that, as a young man, St. Francis de Sales was greatly troubled by anxieties over his own salvation? This was no doubt what he was talking about when he said, “believe me, my very dear daughter, for I know what I am talking about in this matter.” Have you ever experienced
Jun 17, 2:08 P scruples of this kind? How does a person become relieved of such a condition?
Related to that, the note in the text tells us that this woman eventually was swayed by Jansenism for a time. Essentially, this is a belief that God’s grace makes an effect on us without an assent from our free will and that God can dictate our futures in this way. This is a heresy. What makes this wrong? Don’t we need God’s grace in order to do anything?
How might God being Father help dispel this idea of Jansenism?
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Visitation SR (Guest): Sun chat June 19 730pm est
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Visitation SR (Guest): newsletter for chat: http://www.icontact-archive.com/archive?c=1029793&f=1988&s=2046&m=638151&t=44f0d18c19339967b1be43b205c1596fa07d3b2574e5f4560987969cb886fdda
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VisitationSiste: I will be here but maybe a little late because of night prayer tonight
Hello Sr Susan how are you and sisters? its quiet in here
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Sr Susan (Guest): Yes it is and I missed last week
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Sr Susan (Guest): Hi Carol
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Dawn (Guest): We missed you
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Sr Susan (Guest): How was the chat
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Carol (Guest): Hi Sr Susan, hi Dawn
Jun 19, 7:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol!
Jun 19, 7:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): Im trying to recall our topics last week. need to look
Jun 19, 7:33 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): That’s ok I figured it probably was a good one I missed!
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Carol (Guest): I’m having the same issue but it was a good chat. I bet Simone remembers
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Sr Susan (Guest): Tonight sort of ties in with Father’s Day
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Sr Susan (Guest): Did Simone lead?
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Sr Susan (Guest): First q :What is the signficance of these familiar terms, “father” and “daughter” that we use in our faith? Are they just formal niceties?
Jun 19, 7:35 PM
Carol (Guest): They could be, if they are just used as cultural titles
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Sr Susan (Guest): bur actually they are theological, no?
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Dawn (Guest): all we just wrote mysteriously disappeared. ok. I think of them more than niceties. they are endearing, closer, Gods love
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Sr Susan (Guest): based of course on our experience as humans
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Dawn (Guest): of course, they must be theological
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Carol (Guest): They are theological too, but most people dont knowvit
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Sr Susan (Guest): is that because of poor catechesis
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Dawn (Guest): I would say yes
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Sr Susan (Guest): Daughter is somewhat more easily explained than Father I suppose
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Carol (Guest): I think so–I know I complain about that alit! :38 PM
Carol (Guest): A lot. People are responsible too to go study, but it also has to be available in the parish
Jun 19, 7:39 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): We are made in the image and likeness of God and adopted by God and i f we are female, then obviously daughters
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Dawn (Guest): yes, daughters
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Sr Susan (Guest): except that today even gender is questioned
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Dawn (Guest): not in my mind
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Sr Susan (Guest): or mine
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Dawn (Guest): we must not cooperate
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Sr Susan (Guest): but Father is harder to explain I suppose
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Carol (Guest): We were created male and female. We also live in a fallen world where a person can be ill through no fault of theirvown
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Sr Susan (Guest): yes
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Dawn (Guest): I think of Father as the Head, as the one who orders
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Carol (Guest): So if a person’s biology is messed up, they will be too 9, 7:42 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): any kind of physical discomfit affects us 3 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, and then the final battle is over the family, and families are being torn apart
Jun 19, 7:43 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): Why do you believe God reveals Himself to us as “Father”? God is pure spirit (cf. John 4:24) and has no sex/gender. So, what does this term “Father” mean? What can it teach us about biological/earthly fatherhood?
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Sr Susan (Guest): Yes we are in that battle now Carol
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Carol (Guest): Father is the source of life, which the mother receives
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Sr Susan (Guest): He is the creator, from whom the persons of the trinity proceed 46 PM
Dawn (Guest): a good question. 7:47 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): Father is the head but is that because in the Godhead God the Father is the one from whom the others proceed? :47 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): Father is the head but is that because in the Godhead God the Father is the one from whom the others proceed?
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Dawn (Guest): Yes. I believe this is true
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Carol (Guest): Yes, I think so. But human fathers aren’t to actvas though they are God with their wives and children
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Sr Susan (Guest): Also true!
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Carol (Guest): Human fathers are the head, but they act in cooperation, not in dictatorship
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Sr Susan (Guest): good distinction
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Dawn (Guest): but they do have the authority, from God the Father, to head the household . a distinct difference from the Mother
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Dawn (Guest): Spiritual authority over the household
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Carol (Guest): Sure, I’m quibbling about the right way to exercise that
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Dawn (Guest): I do not mean tyrant. I just see so much confusion. I recall era when everything was turned upside down and I suppose it is the same today still. worse 3 PM
Dawn (Guest): Did StF ever speak of a chastisement coming upon us?
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Sr Susan (Guest): Not that I know of, no
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Sr Susan (Guest): He wasan optimist too
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Sr Susan (Guest): of course I have not read all he wrote Much is not translated yet
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Carol (Guest): I am amazed at how many people are posting openly about private revelation all,over the internet
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Sr Susan (Guest): Yes and we were warned about that too
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Sr Susan (Guest): Though many of it all agrees
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Sr Susan (Guest): Discuss St. Francis’s nuance of describing joy as “grave.” By grave he explains, “I do not mean gloomy, or affected, somber, disdainful or haughty, but I mean holy and cha
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holy and charitable.” What does this mean?
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Dawn (Guest): yes there is!
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Sr Susan (Guest): Hi Patti
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Sr Susan (Guest): Where Dawn
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Carol (Guest): I’m wary of the ones that say they know the exact time. Jesus said not even He knows that
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Dawn (Guest): there is a group called Divine Will, they have videos on youtube. and Vassula. Hi Patti! 7:58 PM
Dawn (Guest): I agree about timing. Jesus tells us to see the signs but does not say a time.
Jun 19, 7:58 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): repeating: Discuss St. Francis’s nuance of describing joy as “grave.” By grave he explains, “I do not mean gloomy, or affected, somber, disdainful or haughty, but I mean holy and cha
holy and charitable.” What does this mean? 9 PM
Dawn (Guest): is grave meaning a deep joy?
Jun 19, 7:59 PM
Carol (Guest): Although He did tell St Faustina that this was the last chance for mercy
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Dawn (Guest): oh he did Carol, thank you
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Sr Susan (Guest): serious joy I guess not frivolous joy
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Patti (Guest): Holy and charitable joy is grave in that it is a serious obligation, I think. 1 PM
Dawn (Guest): something to think about Patti. is it an obligation ? 1 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, because joy is the opposite of despair, and despair is a sin
Jun 19, 8:02 PM
Patti (Guest): I think it’s an obligation for those who seek conscious contact with God.
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Patti (Guest): I think it’s an obligation for those who seek conscious contact with God.
Jun 19, 8:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): Everything we receive is from God, it is his grace not our own. except we are to cooperate with his will
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Sr Susan (Guest): q: Discuss this slight disagreement with St. Francis and this other priest about whether someone can go a day without committing a venial sin. Do you think this is possible or not? 04 PM
Carol (Guest): Probably not
Jun 19, 8:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): I believe it is true we can not, be it in action word or thought
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Sr Susan (Guest): one can have many negative thoughts throughout the day- whether that is a venial sin or not I do not know but I do know that monks used to confess their thoughts to their spiritual father 06 PM
Carol (Guest): The thought might not be a sin, but it could lead to sin if we are not watchful
Jun 19, 8:06 PM
Patti (Guest): We can probably not go a full day without at least a venial sin. This, a trusted spiritual director is so important. The struggle is real.
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Dawn (Guest): It is quite real. n 19, 8:08 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): yet so few go to confession and many say they don’t have sins
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Dawn (Guest): yes, if we linger on a thought. Confession is so important. it casts aside the evil one promptly 09 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, examination of conscience is scary. Society tells us we are all good people so we dont have to worry 11 PM
Dawn (Guest): I think of confession as a revealing of how the devil is working in us 1 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, I have. I still do sometimes
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Patti (Guest): Examination of conscience should be daily I think. Perhaps confession should also be daily.
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Dawn (Guest): Yes Patti. esp now 8:12 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): daily confession vs a person with scuples? How can one know which it is , 8:13 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh dear. good point Sr Susan :13 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, because it could be either, are there any saints’ story’s
Jun 19, 8:14 PM
Patti (Guest): Scruples may be more common than we think. We have to ask our confessor and abide by his word..
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Dawn (Guest): HOw easy it could be to fall into scruples!
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Carol (Guest): Far too easy! PM
Sr Susan (Guest): so the point Ptti made about the director is important
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Sr Susan (Guest): Patti
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Dawn (Guest): if one has a director. or access. But God will provide what we need if our desire is Him :17 PM
Patti (Guest): So in this time of pandemic, how can we attend daily confession? PM
Dawn (Guest): this would depend on a Holy Priest willing to shepard his people
Jun 19, 8:17 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): maybe in a monastery with a chaplain
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Carol (Guest): Depends on the day and the speaker PM
Sr Susan (Guest): q: the note in the text tells us that this woman eventually was swayed by Jansenism for a time. Essentially, this is a belief that God’s grace makes an effect on us without an assent from our free will and that God can dictate our futures in this way. This is a heresy. What makes this wrong? Don’t we need God’s grace in order to do anything?
How might God being Father help dispel this idea of Jansenism?
Jun 19, 8:19 PM
Dawn (Guest): One parish near by is very strict and obedient to the gov. another parish has never abandoned the people although early on took senisble precautions.
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Patti (Guest): True. In my case, getting to a monastery from my apartment is not possible alone. I would say that the pandemic persists, because I am still required to wear a mask on church. 9, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh dear. Im sorry 20 PM
Carol (Guest): We do need grace for everything, but we must accept it, or leave Jesus standing at the door 19, 8:21 PM
Dawn (Guest): He will see us through this 19, 8:23 PM
Patti (Guest): I do trust that He will. PM
Dawn (Guest): To be near a monastery would be such a gift I think. I think of it, going to Mass with Sisters. it would be Divine
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Sr Susan (Guest): Our neighbors here like having us around
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Patti (Guest): Indeed it would! n 19, 8:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): They are surely blessed!
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Carol (Guest): I bet they do, Sister!
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Sr Susan (Guest): one woman told us that her guests remarked that her apt seemed so peaceful She answered that it is because of the presence of Jesus in the monastery PM
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Sr Susan (Guest): Patti, glad you joined us tonight!
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Patti (Guest): Oh how lovely.
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Carol (Guest): He is doing it, and the neighbors dont know PM
Patti (Guest): Me too. My physical pain is much relieved by chatting online with like-minded persons. So thanks for being here. :28 PM
Dawn (Guest): The one parish I attend, the priest has begun offering Adoration every day after Mass for one hour. and open for confessions. every day. I believe this is grace from God and upon him for doing as God wills him as a priest
Jun 19, 8:28 PM
Sr Susan (Guest): You are welcome We are here every Sunday
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Carol (Guest): You’re welcome Patti, I hope you come back
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Carol (Guest): How may we pray for you? 19, 8:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you Patti, please do come back
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Patti (Guest): I would greatly appreciate your prayers!
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Sr Susan (Guest): God bless each of you and have a wonderful Feast of the Sacred Heart next Friday!