FORTITUDE is love that encourages and animates the heart so as to carry out what counsel has determined must be done.
Jun 5, 7:33 PM
Simone (Guest): PIETY is the love that sweetens labor and makes us with good heart gratitude and filial affection do works that please God our Father.
FEAR is simply love as it causes us to fly and shun what is displeasing to God’s majesty.”
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Simone (Guest): St. Francis de Sales shares his insights on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. He says, “These gifts are not only inseparable from charity, but they are the principal virtues, properties, and qualities of charity.
Jun 5, 7:32 PM
Simone (Guest): this is the first line
Jun 5, 7:32 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes that its where did you get it
Jun 5, 7:32 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Ruth
Jun 5, 7:33 PM
Simone (Guest): WISDOM is nothing else than the love that relishes, tastes, and experiences how sweet and gentle God is.
UNDERSTANDING is nothing else than love attentive to consider and penetrate the beauty of the truths of faith.
SCIENCE is simply the same love keeping us attentive to know ourselves and creatures to obtain a more perfect knowledge of the service we owe to God.
Jun 5, 7:33 PM
SrSusan (Guest): That is not an easy q either
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SrSusan (Guest): I had an interesting pre Pentecost retreat. One of the statements in the book refers to charity and said there is only one LOVE , one charity because God is love and He is one
Jun 5, 7:35 PM
Carol (Guest): That charity is not just giving away what you don’t want, at no cost to yourself
Jun 5, 7:35 PM
Carol (Guest): If it cost you nothing it wasnt charity
Jun 5, 7:36 PM
Simone (Guest): hmm. you are both going in interesting directions
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Simone (Guest): I think, that this ONE LOVE – has different ways to be expressed – like I can express my love for my daughter in smiling at her – cooking for her. – paying for her voice lessons –
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Carol (Guest): Love is not static, it is an action, not just an emotion5, 7:38 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes Carol . so right.. plus a decision
Jun 5, 7:38 PM
Simone (Guest): let’s start with the first gift
Jun 5, 7:38 PM
Simone (Guest): WISDOM is nothing else than the love that relishes, tastes, and experiences how sweet and gentle God is.
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Simone (Guest): St. Francis de Sales wrote that by the way.. not me
Jun 5, 7:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): when we picked gifts tonite that’s the one I got
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SrSusan (Guest): when we picked gifts tonite that’s the one I got
Jun 5, 7:39 PM
Simone (Guest): so what does that mean, that you “got” it -Sister?
Jun 5, 7:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): But I would not have described it the way he did so I have lots to learn
Jun 5, 7:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): We pick cards with gifts on them
Jun 5, 7:40 PM
Simone (Guest): I think your definition and St. Francis definition might well co-exist side by side
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Simone (Guest): so. when you get Wisdom Sr. Susan. Does that mean – you are encouraged to pray to receive Wisdom?
Jun 5, 7:40 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes and that the gift will be operative in me this year we take it on faith
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Simone (Guest): ooh.. interesting
Jun 5, 7:40 PM
Carol (Guest): I always think of wisdom as the inspiration that guides us to right action
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Simone (Guest): I write the definition one more time here
Jun 5, 7:41 PM
Simone (Guest): WISDOM is nothing else than the love that relishes, tastes, and experiences how sweet and gentle God is.
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Simone (Guest): I guess- when we apply God’s goodness in a gentle way – then wisdom is practiced
Jun 5, 7:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I would lean more to Carol’s definition
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Simone (Guest): Me too
Jun 5, 7:42 PM
SrSusan (Guest): but also you make a good point Simone, it is a way to expand my understanding of wisdom
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Carol (Guest): But there is something deeper in this definition
Jun 5, 7:42 PM
Simone (Guest): let me ask you. WHY do we want – or should be wise even?
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SrSusan (Guest): to discern God’s will
Jun 5, 7:43 PM
Simone (Guest): Ruth.. you have to type in blind faith tonight. Literally
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Carol (Guest): We can save ourselves endless pain and frustration being wise
Jun 5, 7:44 PM
Simone (Guest): yes. to discern God’s will.
Jun 5, 7:44 PM
Simone (Guest): so. when we look at the definition again
Jun 5, 7:44 PM
Simone (Guest): WISDOM is nothing else than the love that relishes, tastes, and experiences how sweet and gentle God is.
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Simone (Guest): How does that help to discern? PM
Carol (Guest): The first step to wisdom is to turn to God 7:45 PM
Simone (Guest): Even the desire to discern – is already an action of love for GOD I find
Jun 5, 7:45 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Confidence that His will is of love for us
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SrSusan (Guest): Confidence that His will is of love for us
Jun 5, 7:46 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes. That’s what I was thinking too
Jun 5, 7:46 PM
Simone (Guest): I think the wisest thing we can do – is always to merge HIS love for us with our love for him. Any action that is rooted in that, only can be wise. What do you think ladies?
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Carol (Guest): Because then the spirit will determine our actions
Jun 5, 7:47 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes union with Him
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Simone (Guest): I love how you both rephrase that. 8 PM
Simone (Guest): So, trying to be sensitive to time.. let’s move to the next one now
Jun 5, 7:48 PM
Simone (Guest): UNDERSTANDING is nothing else than love attentive to consider and penetrate the beauty of the truths of faith.
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Simone (Guest): Do you want to say anything to that definition?
Jun 5, 7:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): seems clear at first glance
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Carol (Guest): Is that also sometimes the truth in another person? 7:49 PM
Simone (Guest): Usually understanding is linked with the intellect and the heart with love- but St. Francis links the intellect with the heart here:50 PM
Simone (Guest): what do you mean by “truth in another person” Carol? 0 PM
Carol (Guest): Because we are to surrender our intellect as well 5, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): yes, I think so too51 PM
Simone (Guest): an intellect that succumbs to love – opens real understanding
Jun 5, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): here is the definition one more tim
Jun 5, 7:52 PM
SrSusan (Guest): It takes love to want to understand the truths of faith
Jun 5, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): UNDERSTANDING is nothing else than love attentive to consider and penetrate the beauty of the truths of faith.
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Simone (Guest): it says “love attentive to consider”5, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): consider and penetrate -2 PM
Simone (Guest): the word penetrate is strong, I find3 PM
Carol (Guest): It is probably a more aggressive term now than when this was written
Jun 5, 7:53 PM
Simone (Guest): understanding -as a Gift of the Holy Spirit – is an entering of Faith – not just stopping on the intellectual level
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Simone (Guest): I remember how I “understood” the bible and the Christian Faith differently before the Holy Spirit came into me5 PM
Simone (Guest): it was more like a worldview before
Jun 5, 7:55 PM
Simone (Guest): exchangeable – if new arguments – good arguments would come along
Jun 5, 7:55 PM
Simone (Guest): after the Holy Spirit – my identity was so linked with it -my inner being – that no good worldly argument could have separated me from it
Jun 5, 7:56 PM
Carol (Guest): And now it is not exchangeable. You know it with your heart not your head
Jun 5, 7:56 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes Carol. Exactly. In a way it “penetrated” me
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SrSusan (Guest): powerful experience you had7 PM
Simone (Guest): I was so blessed Sr. Susan
Jun 5, 7:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): Beautiful!
Jun 5, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): oh Ruth.. good to see you being active now
Jun 5, 7:58 PM
Carol (Guest): It is an amazing experience, isn’t it?
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Simone (Guest): I still smile
Jun 5, 7:58 PM
Carol (Guest): Me too….
Jun 5, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): <3
Jun 5, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): that should be a heart
Jun 5, 7:59 PM
Carol (Guest): Oh, no emojis on mine at all
Jun 5, 7:59 PM
Simone (Guest): I just want to give quickly room here -if anyone has had a special insight this Pentecost? Anything from a sermon – or your personal holy reading.. Let us know here
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SrSusan (Guest): that we are to love one another with the Holy Spirit
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Simone (Guest): which is truly the best form of love
Jun 5, 8:01 PM
Carol (Guest): He has been helping me cope with struggles. In surrender the worry and then hours later in realize its gone
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Simone (Guest): Ithat’s wonderful Carol
Jun 5, 8:01 PM
Ruth (Guest): I can relate well to what you are saying here. My conscious faith — though initiated by baptism — became mine, truly, deeply, in the sense that I knew that the rest of my lofe would have to be lived in union with God who is so much grater than my little “experiment” in Faith could reach by all my efforts to “findl the TRUTH.
Jun 5, 8:01 PM
SrSusan (Guest): a blessing
Jun 5, 8:01 PM
Carol (Guest): If worrying were an olympic sport id have won the gold long ago
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Carol (Guest): If worrying were an olympic sport id have won the gold long ago
Jun 5, 8:02 PM
Ruth (Guest): life
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Simone (Guest): lol Carol –
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Simone (Guest): Ruth.. beautifully said.
Jun 5, 8:02 PM
Ruth (Guest): greater not grater
Jun 5, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): I just realized by the way that the name RUTH – is hidden in T-RUTH
Jun 5, 8:03 PM
Carol (Guest): Now its I was worried about something, what was it, beats me!
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Simone (Guest): worries – can be really a pain -, 8:03 PM
Simone (Guest): How can the Holy Spirit help us with worries?
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Carol (Guest): I surrender them and He takes them away
Jun 5, 8:04 PM
Carol (Guest): Elena!
Jun 5, 8:04 PM
Elena (Guest): Howdy. Sorry I’m late.
Jun 5, 8:04 PM
Elena (Guest): Happy Pentecost!
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Simone (Guest): COUNSEL is also love, as it renders us careful attentive and skilled in choosing the means proper to serve God in a holy manner. PM
SrSusan (Guest): ok
Jun 5, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): I love the definition… but I would not think that he defines COUNSEL.. maybe a language barrier for me
Jun 5, 8:06 PM
Ruth (Guest): Iteresting that we approach this, and rightly so, through our Christian culture.
Jun 5, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): Ruth.. what do you mean? Can you flesh that out a bit?
Jun 5, 8:06 PM
Carol (Guest): Again I am probably being too self in hear, but I hear counsel as being obedient to the Spirit but also advising people
Jun 5, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): help me to understand how “counsel” could mean being obedient. I am missing something here
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Carol (Guest): The Holy Spirit counsels me
Jun 5, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): oooooh.. now I understand.. thanks
Jun 5, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): I can be quite slow sometimes
Jun 5, 8:08 PM
Carol (Guest): Which leads to discernment
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Carol (Guest): You’re not slow, I go down rabbit trails
Jun 5, 8:09 PM
Simone (Guest): does anyone share a scenario – where that would apply?
Jun 5, 8:09 PM
Ruth (Guest): John Wolf, a Lakota, I think, considering the sacredness of the buffalo 🦬, writes, There is a simple doorway which must be walked through to access the deep knowledge, wisdom and beauty that the Yellowstone buffalo offer uss
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SrSusan (Guest): when we think of a spiritual counselor or director they guide us lovingly
Jun 5, 8:10 PM
Simone (Guest): Ruth – you mean – stepping out from just the intellectual realm?
Jun 5, 8:10 PM
Simone (Guest): and every spiritual counsellor should only lead where the HOLY SPIRIT guides
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Simone (Guest): I think – only with the Holy Spirit can we counsel – and be counselled with disinterested love – which helps us to look away from us
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SrSusan (Guest): when we think of a spiritual counselor or director they guide us lovingly
Jun 5, 8:10 PM
Simone (Guest): Ruth – you mean – stepping out from just the intellectual realm?
Jun 5, 8:10 PM
Simone (Guest): and every spiritual counsellor should only lead where the HOLY SPIRIT guides
Jun 5, 8:11 PM
Simone (Guest): I think – only with the Holy Spirit can we counsel – and be counselled with disinterested love – which helps us to look away from us
Jun 5, 8:13 PM
Simone (Guest): Ladies.. I am just so curious – in what area do you think does the Holy Spirit comes mostly through in you?
Jun 5, 8:13 PM
Simone (Guest): general speaking.. don’t try to find right “theological boxes”.. What comes to your mind?
Jun 5, 8:14 PM
Simone (Guest): Where do you feel the power of the Holy Spirit at work in you?
Jun 5, 8:15 PM
Carol (Guest): People talk to me about their spiritual questions. I try to hear where they are and ask the Spirit for what will bring them close
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Simone (Guest): If you do not want to speak about yourself — then you can also answer ” How did the Holy Spirit in another person blessed you recently?” 8:15 PM
Simone (Guest): Carol .. you are basically doing the work of a Spiritual Director. Wonderful16 PM
Carol (Guest): Its funny because it always happens when I am seeing someone about their insurance
Jun 5, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): I also find, that the Spirit works in me – when I sit with someone who is either confused spiritually – or stuck
Jun 5, 8:16 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The Spirit works in me without my being aware of it
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Simone (Guest): Yes Sr. that is true too.. and nevertheless – we often have an area- where we just naturally are efficient without trying – or where the results just seem “blessed”. Often an area we do not even value ourselves – because it comes so naturally to us 5, 8:18 PM
Simone (Guest): for some it’s singing – some people can pray in a way – that is just different than the rest of us – some people have insights – that bring forth God’s thoughts
Jun 5, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): some people can teach in a special way
Jun 5, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): some people nurse with special love and care
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Simone (Guest): some people can teach in a special way
Jun 5, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): some people nurse with special love and care
Jun 5, 8:19 PM
Carol (Guest): Some people can listen and HEAR
Jun 5, 8:19 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, heart and mind together. Other cultures recognize this, too. Not comparing the buffalo to the Holy Spirit, but what we might call being infused with the Holy Spirit others, who may never have heard of the Holy Spirit, may think of as lstepping through a doorway” being confronted by a whole new perspective, vision, experience of seeing, a new view, whichUNITES heart and mind. The intellect can see the value of the buffalo but the heart is lifted to a new place when the animal’s magnificence strikes o
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Ruth (Guest): one and the buffalo is then seen as worthy of our admiration and protection.
Jun 5, 8:21 PM
Simone (Guest): I once heard a story of a woman – an atheist – going into a church – someone sang the AVE MARIA while she was there -it touched her heart so deeply – that she started to research the words – and in the end became a believer through this. I firmly believe that the Holy Spirit has used the singing of this person in the church – but maybe the singer was not even aware of it.
Jun 5, 8:21 PM
Elena (Guest): Ladies, sorry but I need to duck out early. A blessed Pentecost, again. Have a blessed week!
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Simone (Guest): What do you think is the role of the Holy Spirit in Salesian Spirituality?
Jun 5, 8:23 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Central to St Francis de Sales I think
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Simone (Guest): I think so too. Want to say something more about it Sister?
Jun 5, 8:23 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Well from a Visitandine perspective the Holy Spirit was a major Person in the passage of the Visitation
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Simone (Guest): so true
Jun 5, 8:24 PM
Simone (Guest): Have you ever been to EIN KAREM Sister?
Jun 5, 8:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): no
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Simone (Guest): this is the place where apparently the “Visitation” happened in real life
Jun 5, 8:24 PM
Simone (Guest): Me neither.. But I looked at pictures this week
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Simone (Guest): Back to the question about the role of the Holy Spirit in Salesian Spirituality
Jun 5, 8:26 PM
Simone (Guest): Salesian Spirituality is always linked with “loving well” – loving as God loves.. so the Holy Spirit has to be central I think
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Simone (Guest): Our time is coming to an end. I think Ruth said it well.. “stepping into another dimension” – and that it truly is..
Jun 5, 8:28 PM
Carol (Guest): think that is an excellent analogy
Jun 5, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): we are linked with the heavenly realm through the Spirit
Jun 5, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): That is the gift of Pentecost
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SrSusan (Guest): This evening has been a gift Thank you! God bless!