VsSR (Guest): If baptism cleans us of original sin, how/why are we still able to fall into personal sin?Is the desire for perfection reaching too far? And, at least, isn’t this only reserved for priests and religious?What does it mean “we must not look at the external condition of actions, but at the interior”?Connected to this reflection, discuss these words from St. Paul: “For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.” (Galations 5:1)Is it possible to have a voc
Nov 4, 5:42 AM
VsSR (Guest): Is it possible to have a vocation within a vocation? In other words, do our circumstances in life call out from within us particular character traits that form our holiness?
How can we take more seriously the profundity that each day we can have an appointment with the Living God, the Creator and King of the Universe?
Nov 4, 5:43 AM
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Nov 6, 7:20 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Ruth.. I am on the phone with someone.. but will come later on the call
Nov 6, 7:21 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi Simone! Glad you are here. I’ve been praying for you. . .
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Simone (Guest): oh Ruth.. thank so much. Having surgery on Thursday
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Nov 6, 7:24 PM
Simone (Guest): I so hope that my surgeons don’t get sick now. COVID is back here where I live
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VisitationSr (Guest): first q If baptism cleans us of original sin, how/why are we still able to fall into personal sin?
Nov 6, 7:30 PM
Carol (Guest): Our nature is still fallen, because we are on earth. Because of free will we still make wrong choices
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Ruth (Guest): We’ll ask the Lord for that (no cut, no infection) but being relaxed, anxiety – free, “what will be will be”, may be a bigger help to get through it feeling well.
Nov 6, 7:31 PM
Carol (Guest): I will pray too Simone
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VisitationSr (Guest): It is a mystery- there must be a theological reason but it does not come to mind 7:34 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): I guess we were weakened by that original sin 7:34 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): We still sin even after Jesus died for us , 7:35 PM
Ruth (Guest): Humans always had free will. without it love would be impossible.
Nov 6, 7:35 PM
Carol (Guest): We see through a dark mirror, dimly. Often our choices are hidden from our conciousness
Nov 6, 7:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Susan! and Simone Carol and Ruth!
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VisitationSr (Guest): Yes free will must have something to do with it and our darkened conscience, for we do have to learn right from wrong
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VisitationSr (Guest): Is the desire for perfection reaching too far? And, at least, isn’t this only reserved for priests and religious? 6, 7:38 PM
Simone (Guest): Everyone is meant to be a Saint 6, 7:39 PM
Carol (Guest): It is for everyone! But priests and religious are called to a harder level ov 6, 7:39 PM
Ruth (Guest): That is one reason I’ve discovered that it can be helpful to pay attention to dreams, they cN bea window to the subconscious. 0 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): but sometimes they are hard to interpret 40 PM
Ruth (Guest): No I think every baptized person is called to be a saint and that means striving for perfection that is striving for perfect obedience to God‘s law which is a law of love. , 7:42 PM
Carol (Guest): Dreams can be helpful, but it takes careful discernment ov 6, 7:42 PM
Ruth (Guest): I was responding, still, to Carol’s comment. PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Traditionally all were supposed to strive for perfection but today the word seems to take on another meaning, like perfectionist 45 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, words have changed meanings according to the world now. be sure to keep a 1955 dictionary on hand
Nov 6, 7:45 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, its hard to remember that perfect is not mistake free
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VisitationSr (Guest): do you have a 1955 dictionary? That would be interesting to see and make comparisons :46 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): What does it mean “we must not look at the external condition of actions, but at the interior”?
Nov 6, 7:46 PM
Dawn (Guest): no, the year just came to mind. I thought life made a little more sense then . but any early dictionary would be great.
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Ruth (Guest): Only a newly baptized infant could count on NOT having his/her perfection disrupted by personal sin — or probably also a child to the age of reason. 6, 7:48 PM
Ruth (Guest): That’s a good point sister there’s quite a difference between becoming perfect as your heavenly father is and perfectionism.
Nov 6, 7:48 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): But how much free will can an infant exercise? Is her perfection different from an adults then?
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Ruth (Guest): Of course!
Nov 6, 7:49 PM
Carol (Guest): I would think infants are in a state of grace
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Dawn (Guest): they are very close to God
Nov 6, 7:50 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): re exterior vs interior actions, in a monastery when one confesses ones faults before the community it is the exterior fault one admits; interior are for sacrament of reconciliation :52 PM
Carol (Guest): Oh, yes, that makes sense. For privacy and to keep humility from becoming humiliation
Nov 6, 7:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): exterior interior….good to know about this. should we be including this in our exam of conscious?
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VisitationSr (Guest): that might help to distinguish fault from sin PM
Dawn (Guest): Ah!
Nov 6, 7:53 PM
Ruth (Guest): A friends premature baby, Amias, died recently. Some five hundred people were praying for him. Now many are praying to St. Amias. But his perfection, through baptism, is quite different from that of the Saints we typicaally celebrate on the cChurch calendar..
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VisitationSr (Guest): good example Ruth
Nov 6, 7:54 PM
Ruth (Guest): That is interesting, Sister.
Nov 6, 7:54 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): but how is the family doing- do they feel that way too about the baby’s sanctity
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Ruth (Guest): Would you confess exterior faults like breaking things accidentally, spilling milk,etc.?
Nov 6, 7:56 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): yes
Nov 6, 7:56 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): not confess to priest but in community share that incident :57 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Connected to this reflection, discuss these words from St. Paul: “For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.” (Galations 5:1
Nov 6, 7:59 PM
Dawn (Guest): Simone, are you here?
Nov 6, 8:00 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): I think Ruth refered to this thought when she talked about free will
Nov 6, 8:00 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Simone had a phone call
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Dawn (Guest): ok thank you
Nov 6, 8:00 PM
Carol (Guest): We are not to return to habitual sin 6, 8:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): this is good idea Ruth, 1/2 pint at a time
Nov 6, 8:04 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, and it would keep me from wasting–I often can’t finish a half gallon
Nov 6, 8:05 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, me too. so I would need to get a quart , what is available. still a good idea, less to spill, less to waste)
Nov 6, 8:07 PM
Ruth (Guest): Not my idea. I am still getting nome delivered meals “Meals on Wheels” from the local Adult Center. It is a big help, since I jave not driven for over four months, and there is no place to shop within walking distance.
Nov 6, 8:08 PM
Carol (Guest): I am so glad Ruth
Nov 6, 8:08 PM
Dawn (Guest): chat about exterior interior was helpful to night. Sr said to separate fault from sin? Im glad you have meals available Ruth!
Nov 6, 8:09 PM
Dawn (Guest): do they bring you a couple meals at a time? or daily?
Nov 6, 8:09 PM
Carol (Guest): Fault from sin is another hard one to learn
Nov 6, 8:10 PM
Dawn (Guest): and winter is approaching! you will be in snow soon, we will be in snow tonight’
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Ruth (Guest): Mon, Wendsday, Friday. For seven days.
Nov 6, 8:11 PM
Dawn (Guest): that is great, you have a good amount delivered
Nov 6, 8:11 PM
Dawn (Guest): that is where you have the 1/2 pint milk
Nov 6, 8:12 PM
Carol (Guest): Do they bring you groceries too or just prepared meals?
Nov 6, 8:12 PM
Dawn (Guest): Carol can you say a little bit about fault from sin?
Nov 6, 8:14 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh, Sr was saying to distinguish fault from sin , when we do an exam of Conscious
Nov 6, 8:14 PM
Carol (Guest): Well, it’s a new concept for me. I always thought faults WERE sins. But now I am thinking that fault is an imperfection that allows us to sin if we aren’t careful
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Dawn (Guest): faults we have to work on changing, right …you said it well. an imperfection that allows us to sin if we arent careful
Nov 6, 8:15 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Is it possible to have a vocation within a vocation? In other words, do our circumstances in life call out from within us particular character traits that form our holiness?
Nov 6, 8:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): Some of my responses could not – technical problem — be posted.
Nov 6, 8:16 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): I think of St Theresa of Calcutta- vocation within a vocation
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Carol (Guest): You mean the work we do within the minastary?
Nov 6, 8:17 PM
Dawn (Guest): I believe our circumstances can help to form us esp if they are difficult. like trials, and if we have a desire to grow in holiness.
Nov 6, 8:17 PM
Ruth (Guest): Refreshing page allowed posting again but deleted what i had written.
Nov 6, 8:17 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Possibly yes
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Dawn (Guest): what do you see was her vocation within vocation?
Nov 6, 8:20 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): First she was a teacher then helped the poor
Nov 6, 8:20 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Hi Gloria
Nov 6, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh, thank you
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Ruth (Guest): Vocation within vocations: Sure! I think of a wife and mother who also home schools and runs a real estate business, for example. v 6, 8:21 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): good example 8:21 PM
Dawn (Guest): good examples. and Hi Gloria! 8:22 PM
Gloria (Guest): Does it have to be with following God’s inspiration.
Nov 6, 8:22 PM
Ruth (Guest): A religious sister who has a stained glass shop within her monastery.
Nov 6, 8:23 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): the deeper question within that question is the character traits that form our holiness, drawn from life circumstances
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VisitationSr (Guest): Certainly Mother Theresa followed God’s inspiration, or revelation , 8:24 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes and dawn touched upon that. By submittin , 8:24 PM
Gloria (Guest): It’s not easy. 8:25 PM
Carol (Guest): How is this different from multi tasking? , 8:26 PM
Gloria (Guest): Prayer definitely helps.
Nov 6, 8:26 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): I guess the way a task differs from a vocation
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Dawn (Guest): I think of the Saints who we read often thanked God for their trials, or even today, God provides what we need and it seems we can be right in the midst!
Nov 6, 8:26 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): one is deeper than the other
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VisitationSr (Guest): one is a call, the other what we do within that call
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Ruth (Guest): y submitting to being SILENCED Fr. Karl Rahner probably grew in holiness. Then the church caught up with him and he contributed, by invitation, to the Second Vatican Council. v 6, 8:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): helpful distinction 8:28 PM
VisitationSr (Guest): the last q can be what we take with us to live from this coming week: How can we take more seriously the profundity that each day we can have an appointment with the Living God, the Creator and King of the Universe? 6, 8:29 PM
Carol (Guest): To pray often and lift our thoughts to Him 6, 8:30 PM
Gloria (Guest): To grow in faith, hope and charity. 6, 8:31 PM
Dawn (Guest): during our morning offerings and prayers, esp beautiful expression sr PM
VisitationSr (Guest): Thank you all for being here- continue if you wish I need to leave God bless!
Nov 6, 8:33 PM
Ruth (Guest): ST. John Paul II worked in a mine as a young man, and ran secret theaters under Communist rule, all of which contributed to his deep, personal understanding of people and instead of becoming bitter about the hardness of his circumstances he grew in holiness! Thanks be to God!
Nov 6, 8:33 PM
Dawn (Guest): an appointment with the living God. we could say…Jesus, take me to the Father