What is the difference between joy and happiness?Why is a sense of humor so important? And how might it go beyond just telling and laughing at jokes?Some people say that God has a sense of humor. Do you think so? And what would this mean exactly?When could humor be inappropriate? Is there a time and place? And just because something is funny, does that make it good? Take that even deeper, if something is not good, can it truly be said to be funny?What do you think about using humor to counter an ill-mannere
Dec 3, 5:49 AM
VisSr (Guest): What do you think about using humor to counter an ill-mannered reproach, as shown above? Or to calm someone’s fear? How does it diffuse a heated situation?
Do you think a priest can still be effective if he is married? Eastern Catholics still hold to this as an option (as long as married prior to ordination). What might be the “advantages and disadvantages” of both celibacy and a married priesthood?
Dec 3, 5:49 AM
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Dec 4, 7:24 PM
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Dec 4, 7:24 PM
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Dec 4, 7:28 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): Hi Betty
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Vis Sr (Guest): q1 What is the difference between joy and happiness?
Dec 4, 7:33 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I just come back from Taiwan from the past view weeks in the end november
Dec 4, 7:33 PM
Carol (Guest): Happiness is fleeting and can come from externals. Joys are internal and come from God
Dec 4, 7:34 PM
Bettychao (Guest): God want us share love caring and joys to those people don’t have joy.
Dec 4, 7:35 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi everyone
Dec 4, 7:35 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Hi simone
Dec 4, 7:35 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): Hi Simone
Dec 4, 7:35 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Simone!
Vis Sr (Guest): Happiness is light and joy is deep, 7:36 PM
Simone (Guest): As for the question… happiness is circumstantial for me – joy is not circumtantial , 7:38 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): q 2 Why is a sense of humor so important? And how might it go beyond just telling and laughing at jokes? 8 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): q 2 Why is a sense of humor so important? And how might it go beyond just telling and laughing at jokes?
Dec 4, 7:38 PM
Carol (Guest): A sense of humor keeps us from taking things too seriously
Dec 4, 7:39 PM
Simone (Guest): and keeps us from taking ourselves too seriously
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Simone (Guest): a sense of humour – is a willingness to look beyond the obvious. Humor always has an element of surprise – that what makes It humorous. , 7:41 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): sense of humor can be related to both happiness and joy I think
c 4, 7:41 PM
Simone (Guest): humour shines best though for me – in the absence of joy and happiness
Dec 4, 7:41 PM
Dawn (Guest): Ive known others that have a natural sense of humor.
Dec 4, 7:42 PM
Simone (Guest): it is like a corrective – to the obvious burdening situation– whatever it might be
, 7:42 PMSimone (Guest): Dawn.. can you describe someone who has in your eyes a “natural sense of humour”? Well.. actually everyone is invited to answer
7:42 PM
Simone (Guest): Dawn.. can you describe someone who has in your eyes a “natural sense of humour”? Well.. actually everyone is invited to answer
Dec 4, 7:43 PM
Carol (Guest): They see beyond the problem to the solution
Dec 4, 7:43 PM
Simone (Guest): I like your answer Carol. I also see that humour actually has a lot to do with problem solving
Dec 4, 7:43 PM
Dawn (Guest): they see humor in situations, it seems natural, not excessive
Dec 4, 7:43 PM
Simone (Guest): or processing
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Dawn (Guest): they see humor in situations, it seems natural, not excessive
Dec 4, 7:43 PM
Simone (Guest): or processing
Dec 4, 7:44 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan did you have any retreat in monastery in this month for Christmas
Dec 4, 7:44 PM
Simone (Guest): yes, we have to talk about the “not execissive” later on. .definetely
Dec 4, 7:44 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): no Betty
Dec 4, 7:44 PM
Dawn (Guest): it could also be a defense mechanism’
4, 7:45 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, laughter can be used to avoid looking at what needs to be seen
Dec 4, 7:45 PM
Simone (Guest): when you say Dawn “they see…” where others cannot see… do you think it is a form of Spiritual Gift – or something that can be developed?
:45 PMBettychao (Guest): I will go to Kansas City to visit my relatives and their new home in this Christmas and we celebrate Christmas with our anties
c 4, 7:46 PM
Dawn (Guest): I can not say. But I am aware and have seen it in myself where humor or silliness and be a temptation, I mean something not from God
Dec 4, 7:46 PM
Simone (Guest): yes, defense mechanism.. absolutely true.. but also maybe — a way of closing a path – that would be harmful to enter now.
6 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes Dawn. I think I know what you mean.
Dec 4, 7:46 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I will go to Catholic Church in the Kansas City for Christmas if my mom or my sister can take me
Dec 4, 7:47 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, that’s true Simone. And inappropriate laughter does not come from God
Dec 4, 7:47 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): q Some people say that God has a sense of humor. Do you think so? And what would this mean exactly?
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Simone (Guest): This is such a deep question
Dec 4, 7:47 PM
Dawn (Guest): Im thinking of curiosity. this can be a temptation
7:47 PMSimone (Guest): I don’t think God has a sense of humour. Simply because being ALLKNOWING ruins every pun – in a way
7:48 PMDawn (Guest): I have thought God had a sense of humor before, probably with the paradox of situation
:48 PMCarol (Guest): But He does, or we could not have one
:48 PMSimone (Guest): I am serious…humour is in a way – something either that takes us by surprise or we take others by surprise..
, 7:49 PMSimone (Guest): but maybe humour is built on our human nature Carol?
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Dawn (Guest): spontaneous
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Dawn (Guest): the most pure humor Ive ever seen is with babies or little ones
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Carol (Guest): Well, yes, but we are made in His image and likeness. How would He make us with something He Himself did not possess? How would that even be possible?
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Simone (Guest): When I became a Christian I was so disappointed that Jesus was never portrayed laughing or joking.. The better I know Him. the more I understand this.. but humour is such a big part of my life.. and for me it was unthinkable to see Jesus not laughing
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Jesus want us our mind our life like babies
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): I end to say God has a sense of humor when His Will for me strikes me in an unusual way- like I never liked housekeeping so when I first got to the Monastery guess what job I get- housekeeping!
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Simone (Guest): Did he MAKE US with humour – or is that something we use in order to navigate through life?
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Vis Sr (Guest): I end to say God has a sense of humor when His Will for me strikes me in an unusual way- like I never liked housekeeping so when I first got to the Monastery guess what job I get- housekeeping!
Dec 4, 7:50 PM
Simone (Guest): yes Sister – that’s the element of surprise..in humour.. and in that way.. God does humour I guess.. or we receive it at this
Dec 4, 7:51 PM
Carol (Guest): Everything we have comes from Him. We could not have humor if aHe did not give it to us
Dec 4, 7:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, that is funny sister. humorous
Dec 4, 7:51 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): see- sense of humor!
Dec 4, 7:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, everything we have is from God
Dec 4, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): There is a saying Peter and I often use ” If you want to make God laugh.. make plans”
2 PM
Simone (Guest): well.. my gluttony is not from GOD I think
Dec 4, 7:52 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Jesus want us to become a server to serve him and help others to make them become is
Dec 4, 7:52 PM
Carol (Guest): No. That is placing food I. g
Dec 4, 7:52 PM
Bettychao (Guest): His friends
Dec 4, 7:52 PM
Carol (Guest): In God’s place
Dec 4, 7:53 PM
Simone (Guest): Cannot the same happen with humour though?
Dec 4, 7:53 PM
Carol (Guest): But Jesus did laugh and go to parties and weddings and feasts
7:53 PM
Carol (Guest): Sure, we can put anything in God’s place if we keep our eyes closed
Dec 4, 7:53 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): ok Betty
Dec 4, 7:53 PM
Simone (Guest): Well, I think also that he had a “lightness”. not sure if he laughed.. but being fully human – it would be very normal of course
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Dawn (Guest): thinking of God , or Jesus having humor. I am sure he did with his friends, or yes at Cana
Dec 4, 7:54 PM
Carol (Guest): How could you attend a wedding and not laugh?
Dec 4, 7:54 PM
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Simone (Guest): The series “THE CHOSEN” likes to portrait him very humorous. And for some reason, I do not like this. Have no idea, why that rubs me the wrong way
Dec 4, 7:54 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): q When could humor be inappropriate? Is there a time and place? And just because something is funny, does that make it good?
ec 4, 7:54 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): q When could humor be inappropriate? Is there a time and place? And just because something is funny, does that make it good?
Dec 4, 7:55 PM
Carol (Guest): Because many of the stories in the Gospels are serious
:55 PM
Dawn (Guest): Ive had the experience of laughing inappropriately before, can not think of situation
Dec 4, 7:56 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): Maybe it is the Holy Spirit in you Simone, reacting also. Maybe itr is overboard, too much dont know never saw chosen
Dec 4, 7:56 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I have that movie but is part one it is tell us how Jesus chosen his people become is apostles like Peter and Paul.
57 PMVis Sr (Guest): Laughing in the Monastery too loud is not appropriate
4, 7:57 PM
Dawn (Guest): all of these things are part of our human nature
Dec 4, 7:57 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): I always got in trouble for that
7:57 PM
Dawn (Guest): haha
Dec 4, 7:57 PM
Carol (Guest): Everything in moderation, even laughter
Dec 4, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): Sister, it is definitely not overboard. But because of the humorous elements, they bring some sayings of Jesus – or actions – down – like they are birthed out of a human decision- when they were actually divine teachings – or divine decisions.. Not sure if I explained that well
Dec 4, 7:57 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Monastery is calm peace silent to God
4, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): and as for inappropriate laughing .. well, this could have been my middle name probably
Dec 4, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): Growing out of it.. step by step..
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Vis Sr (Guest): q Take that even deeper, if something is not good, can it truly be said to be funny?
Dec 4, 7:59 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): need to go feed Sister BRB
Dec 4, 7:59 PM
Dawn (Guest): The Chosen is not exact to the Scriptures’, and the producers speak about this.
Dec 4, 7:59 PM
Carol (Guest): No
Dec 4, 7:59 PM
Dawn (Guest): if it is not good, it can not be funny
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): hmmm.. not sure… can you give an example ladies?
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Elena!
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Elena (Guest): Howdy
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Carol (Guest): Elena!
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): see.. that’s humour!
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Elena!
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): Howdy right back Elena!
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Elena (Guest): I overslept from a nap – I really wanted to be here on time.
Dec 4, 8:00 PM
Elena (Guest): I like the topic of humor.
Dec 4, 8:01 PM
Carol (Guest): Sexual innuendo, inappropriate always
Dec 4, 8:01 PM
Elena (Guest): Agreed, Carol!!
Dec 4, 8:01 PM
Dawn (Guest): good example Carol
Dec 4, 8:01 PM
Elena (Guest): Making fun of someone’s disabilities or any kind of racist joke. Not funny. Ever.
Dec 4, 8:01 PM
Carol (Guest): No
Dec 4, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): ok.. now I understand what you mean. TOTALLY agree
Dec 4, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): what about “teasing” someone?
Dec 4, 8:02 PM
Elena (Guest): Puns are usually not funny.
Dec 4, 8:03 PM
Carol (Guest): If the teasee did not laugh, it wasn’t funny
Dec 4, 8:03 PM
Simone (Guest): intellectually funny.. different than belly laugh funny
Dec 4, 8:03 PM
Elena (Guest): Hmmm teasing… depends a lot on the individuals and the nature of the teasing. And whether someone likes being teased.
Dec 4, 8:03 PM
Simone (Guest): hmm.. so funny is determined if everyone can laugh. Interesting angle
Dec 4, 8:04 PM
Elena (Guest): I do not like being teased, for example. Even by my own family members. I have way too many issues to be teased lol
Dec 4, 8:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): on this topic, I want ot mention how personal people take so many things, take offense. I notice it more now than earlier.
Dec 4, 8:04 PM
Carol (Guest): It depends on the relationship.
Dec 4, 8:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): It is good to be able to laugh at one self
Dec 4, 8:04 PM
Simone (Guest): see… I think some people are so self – conscious. They never laugh about themselves. Which by the way can be a sign of narcissism. Narcissists cannot laugh about themselves.
Dec 4, 8:05 PM
Dawn (Guest): right!
Dec 4, 8:05 PM
Simone (Guest): Absolutely Dawn. It is VERY healthy to be able to laugh about yourself.
Dec 4, 8:05 PM
Carol (Guest): It can also be a sign of unhealed trauma
Dec 4, 8:05 PM
Simone (Guest): and allow others to laugh about you
Dec 4, 8:05 PM
Simone (Guest): what is a sign of unhealed trauma Carol?
Dec 4, 8:05 PM
Carol (Guest): Inability to take teasing
Dec 4, 8:06 PM
Elena (Guest): Are you suggesting I have unhealed trauma?!?!!?!?!?!
Dec 4, 8:06 PM
Dawn (Guest): overly sensitive?
Dec 4, 8:06 PM
Elena (Guest): (that was a joke, see)
06 PM
Carol (Guest): No, I have no way of knowing that
Dec 4, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): good one Elena
Dec 4, 8:06 PM
Elena (Guest): I absolutely do have unhealed trauma. Most people do, of some kind or another.
:07 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): q ): What do you think about using humor to counter an ill-mannered reproach, as shown above? Or to calm someone’s fear?
Dec 4, 8:07 PM
Elena (Guest): Not for lack of awareness or trying or begging the Lord for healing, tho. Yeah I get your point though. Over sensitivity can be a sign that something is not right in the heart of a person.
8:07 PMDawn (Guest): I notice more now what s unhealed in me, maybe how he is healing me
8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): beautiful Dawn. Definitely a sign of healing. Praise the Lord!
Dec 4, 8:08 PM
Dawn (Guest): when he reveals
Dec 4, 8:08 PM
Elena (Guest): (sorry, Carol… an example of badly timed humor on my part)
4, 8:08 PMDawn (Guest): Amen
ec 4, 8:08 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I do not like some people call me dead
Dec 4, 8:08 PM
Carol (Guest): I’m too serious, haha
Dec 4, 8:08 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): dead????
4, 8:08 PMDawn (Guest): you mean spiritually dead?
4, 8:09 PMCarol (Guest): Why would they say that?
c 4, 8:09 PMDawn (Guest): Betty, what do they mean you are dead, in what way?
ec 4, 8:10 PMDawn (Guest): humor at its best
8:11 PMVis Sr (Guest): it helps people in distress I have unwittingly used it and calmed someone
:11 PM
Elena (Guest): Sometimes human can be helpful to calm someone or help a person take it easy, but it has to be very delicate and the interlocutor has to be very careful, otherwise it comes off as rude and not taking a person’s feelings seriously.
Dec 4, 8:12 PM
Elena (Guest): humor. not human
, 8:12 PM
Elena (Guest): although being human helps
Dec 4, 8:12 PM
Dawn (Guest): Ive used it in nursing , stressful situations
2 PMSimone (Guest): I also use humour often quite intentionally – to help someone to step out of a seriousness – that was an obstacle to either experiencing GOD or being open to his revelation
, 8:13 PM
Simone (Guest): humour is also very cultural… very dangerous to use your humour outside of your own cultur.
Dec 4, 8:13 PM
Simone (Guest): Learned that the hard way 
Dec 4, 8:13 PM
Elena (Guest): Ah yes that is SO true, Simone!
13 PMDawn (Guest): I agree Simone. !
4, 8:14 PM
Elena (Guest): I use humor with my students a lot when I really want to scream at them. They know I’m upset, but I temper it with poking fun a bit. It’s been a useful tool to develop these last three years.
Dec 4, 8:14 PM
Carol (Guest): Indeed Simone, because every culture has its own rules
14 PM
Simone (Guest): and thinking patterns.. humour has a lot to do with thinking patterns
Dec 4, 8:14 PM
Elena (Guest): But I have to be careful. Boys you can poke fun with more than girls.
:15 PM
Elena (Guest): My sense of humor is radically silly and offbeat, so it often doesn’t translate well – thinking patterns.
Dec 4, 8:15 PM
Simone (Guest): When I try to channel anger or frustration into humour – I often end up being sarcastic.
Dec 4, 8:15 PM
Dawn (Guest): agree Elena, girls can be senistive
MVis Sr (Guest): Do you think a priest can still be effective if he is married? Eastern Catholics still hold to this as an option (as long as married prior to ordination). What might be the “advantages and disadvantages” of both celibacy and a married priesthood?
8:17 PM
Simone (Guest): that is quite humorous that I should answer that
Dec 4, 8:17 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): yes!!
Dec 4, 8:17 PM
Dawn (Guest): Not as effective if married. distraction
, 8:17 PM
Simone (Guest): what is an effective priest?
Dec 4, 8:17 PM
Elena (Guest): We could talk the whole hour about this one, I bet! All I know is I had a spiritual director who is a Melkite Rite priest, married with kids, and I haven’t heard a peep from him since July even after several texts and emails.
Dec 4, 8:17 PM
Elena (Guest): To my mind, S. FdS made the point well.
Dec 4, 8:18 PM
Simone (Guest): I think a married priest can be very effective with the sacraments. Can be an effective husband is more the question I would say.
Dec 4, 8:18 PM
Elena (Guest): Good points, Simone.
8:18 PM
Elena (Guest): But being a priest is more than administering sacraments.
Dec 4, 8:18 PM
Simone (Guest): tell me – about the “more” Elena
:18 PM
Dawn (Guest): one that is focused on his people and gives thought and prayer,…Id say one that has had a strong conversion, or ongoing
Dec 4, 8:19 PM
Elena (Guest): Being present to parishioners and able to pastor them is part of the vocation.
Dec 4, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): so.. a Shepherd Dawn?
c 4, 8:19 PMSimone (Guest): I think, what you both describe is a priest with the assignment of being a pastor
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Elena (Guest): So is a commitment to daily prayer – holy hour, Divine Office, and study of scripture.
Dec 4, 8:19 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): do the Melkites have daily Liturgy?
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Dawn (Guest): being a spiritual director. only one that has the experience and takes time in prayer can be
Dec 4, 8:20 PM
Elena (Guest): In our Diocese, so short on priests, the only guys that aren’t pastors are in their 80s or only in the first three years of their priesthood. And even they are much in demand.
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Simone (Guest): My husband had an equally intensive prayer life before he was ordained. That was one of the confirmations to his priest hood actually
Dec 4, 8:20 PM
Elena (Guest): I don’t think so, Sister. I’m not sure about that.
4, 8:21 PMElena (Guest): Simone – what rite are you and your husband, again?
4, 8:21 PMSimone (Guest): Latin rite
8:22 PMVis Sr (Guest): He had special pemission right?
8:22 PM
Simone (Guest): I think it is a privilege for a parish to have a non married priest – who fully pours himself and all his time in for his parishioners.
Dec 4, 8:22 PM
Carol (Guest): I think it is harder to be married and in ministry
Dec 4, 8:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): I imagine a married priest to have a family also, but not so
Dec 4, 8:22 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes Sister he had
23 PMSimone (Guest): that said.. many people approach my husband with gratitude – that they feel so understood in his soul care ( mostly of course in regards to family life)
4, 8:23 PMSimone (Guest): Exactly Carol..
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Simone (Guest): I do not want to complaint.. but I did not have supper once this week with my husband.. and I already know that I will be alone for Christmas. Again. I am not complaining.. God has really graced me recently with understanding.. but it is hard to be present fully to a parish and to a family
Dec 4, 8:24 PM
Dawn (Guest): there is an angelican priest in out town, with a family and boarding school. we are friendly, I believe he would be a great Catholic priest and suggest this to him
:25 PM
Elena (Guest): Simone – That has got to be so challenging. God bless you both.
Dec 4, 8:25 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. our lovely sister Ruth has joined us now too
Dec 4, 8:25 PM
Elena (Guest): Hi Ruth!
8:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): thank you Simone, I wondered
Dec 4, 8:26 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): I will be leaving in afew minutes
Dec 4, 8:26 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Ruth
4, 8:26 PMDawn (Guest): ok Sister
4, 8:26 PMSimone (Guest): Dawn. if this Anglican priest is truly interested .. please feel free to give him my email address.. We love to talk to Anglicans who are looking over the “fence”
7 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh, not coming back. thank you for this evenings chat. and good questions. God bless
Dec 4, 8:27 PM
Elena (Guest): God bless you, Sister.
Dec 4, 8:27 PM
Vis Sr (Guest): Thank you all and blessed second week of Advent!
Dec 4, 8:27 PM
Carol (Guest): Thank you Sister!