What is quietism, and what makes it a heresy? (Definition on Catholic.com) What does it deny?What is pacificism, according to St. Francis? And how is it not simply nihilism or a negative acceptance of just whatever comes our way?What is meditation, according to the Christian tradition?Why is it so important to develop peace in our own hearts if we are to have any chance of bringing peace into the world?How can we ensure that gentleness (as called for by St. Francis) is not confused with some kind of weak se
Jan 8, 7:12 PM
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Fr. Guibert says that St. Francis had an “extremely violent temper inside.” Yet the saint is known as a preacher of gentleness. How do you think he overcame this passion? How did this weakness shape who he became?
MVisitation Sr (Guest): Tonight’s chat is based on a translated interview of a French priest about St Francis de Sales.
7:34 PMQ1 What is quietism, and what makes it a heresy? (Definition on Catholic.com)
Carol (Guest): It is a bit tricky. But it seems to exclude the will, our ability to actively choose
Jan 8, 7:34 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): I think quietism went too far- it was almost like complete passivity
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Visitation Sr (Guest): There is probably a thin line between some forms of contemplation and this heresy. But prauer should lead to charity
8, 7:36 PMCarol (Guest): And quietism does not
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Carol (Guest): Is our ultimate union with God like being absorbed in Him?
Jan 8, 7:37 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): In heaven I think sort of but there must be some individuality preserved
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Visitation Sr (Guest): What is pacificism, according to St. Francis? And how is it not simply nihilism or a negative acceptance of just whatever comes our way?
Jan 8, 7:39 PM
Carol (Guest): Or else how would we know
Jan 8, 7:39 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): yes our souls are still free I imagine
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Simone (Guest): Hi – I am back..
Jan 8, 7:39 PM
Simone (Guest): Is there a definition of quietism?
Jan 8, 7:39 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): I have to look for the exact one
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Simone (Guest): Wasn’t St. Jane de Chantal being found “guilty” from some people to practice quietism?
Jan 8, 7:40 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): that rings a bell btu not sure
0 PMSimone (Guest): I wonder if quietism is somehow what the Eastern Meditation is now. To quiet and “empty” yourself – but not for the sake to be filled with GOD.
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Simone (Guest): I wonder if quietism is somehow what the Eastern Meditation is now. To quiet and “empty” yourself – but not for the sake to be filled with GOD.
Jan 8, 7:41 PM
Simone (Guest): iProbably difficult to judge from the outside.. who is practicing quietism – and who is genuinely praying. The fruit is the only way to judge I assume
Jan 8, 7:41 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Quietism (Latin quies, quietus, passivity) in the broadest sense is the doctrine which declares that man’s highest perfection consists in a sort of psychical self-annihilation and a consequent absorption of the soul into the Divine Essence even during the present life. In the state of “quietude” the mind is wholly inactive; it no longer thinks or wills on its own account, but remains passive while God acts within it. Quietism is thus generally speaking a sort of false or exaggerated mysticism, which under t
Jan 8, 7:41 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): the guise of the loftiest spirituality contains erroneous notions which, if consistently followed, would prove fatal to morality. It is fostered by Pantheism and similar theories, and it involves peculiar notions concerning the Divine cooperation in human acts.
Jan 8, 7:41 PM
Carol (Guest): Maybe, or it sounds like how some people feel about centering prayer
7:42 PMSimone (Guest): Great definition Sister. And yes..it sounds very much like some buddhist and hindu practices to me
:43 PMSimone (Guest): Carol, I think that some teachings on “centering prayer” are coming close to that . What do you think?
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Carol (Guest): It makes me uncomfortable. Ive tried it, but not really liked it. I get much more out of the Jesus Prayer
Jan 8, 7:45 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree
, 7:45 PMSimone (Guest): I guess – we humans can distort anything. In the end we always have to ask ourselves ” Did I want to be GOD myself -or worship HIM?’
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Visitation Sr (Guest): What is pacificism, according to St. Francis? And how is it not simply nihilism or a negative acceptance of just whatever comes our way?
Jan 8, 7:46 PM
Carol (Guest): And quietism ignores that question
48 PMSimone (Guest): Pacifism – is the outward behaviour of an inward submission to GOD and to be ruled by Jesus – LIVE JESUS. To let peace be the centre of your heart. All your actions are filtered through the divine peace – before they touch the world
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Simone (Guest): does this make sense?
Jan 8, 7:49 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Yes it is like accepting all as God’s Will
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Simone (Guest): but without giving in to fatalism
Jan 8, 7:50 PM
Simone (Guest): It’s a response of love – not of fate
8, 7:50 PMCarol (Guest): Hmm, I’m thinking. Inger it mixed up with non-war refusal to fight
7:51 PMSimone (Guest): well – the question calls for “Salesian Pacifism”- and that’s what I got out of the letter.
, 7:52 PMSimone (Guest): so how would St. Francis de Sales answer in regards to participating in war?
, 7:52 PMCarol (Guest): Thats different than just anti war
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Simone (Guest): how might it be different Carol?
Jan 8, 7:53 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): His father was a soldier but he himself avoided that career
PMVisitation Sr (Guest): He believed in avoiding war if possible I would guess
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Simone (Guest): I think so too. I think he was convinced that there is a non violent solution to any problem Big and Small
Jan 8, 7:55 PM
Carol (Guest): That would make sense, but its not religious pacificism
Jan 8, 7:55 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): I need to go give meds
Jan 8, 7:55 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Here are 2 q while I am gone
Jan 8, 7:55 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): What is meditation, according to the Christian tradition?
Why is it so important to develop peace in our own hearts if we are to have any chance of bringing peace into the world?
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Carol (Guest): Meditation is being in the presence of God, dwelling on one aspect of Him
Jan 8, 7:57 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Betty!
Jan 8, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): There are so many different definitions of Christian Meditation – it is hard nowadays to know what is meant. I find.. Didn’t we have this discussion not too far along?
Jan 8, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Betty. Sister will be back in 10 minutes or so. We usually start at 7:30 PM EST
Jan 8, 7:57 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan what time they started Sunday chat time?
Jan 8, 7:58 PM
Carol (Guest): I think we did. I think we found it slippery
Jan 8, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): It was slippery
Jan 8, 7:58 PM
Carol (Guest): We start at 4:30 California time
Jan 8, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): Maybe we should focus on this part of the question Carol
Jan 8, 7:58 PM
Simone (Guest): Why is it so important to develop peace in our own hearts if we are to have any chance of bringing peace into the world?
Jan 8, 7:59 PM
Carol (Guest): We cannot give what we do not have
Jan 8, 7:59 PM
Simone (Guest): good point Carol
Jan 8, 7:59 PM
Simone (Guest): how do we develop peace in our own hearts?
Jan 8, 7:59 PM
Carol (Guest): Sometimes I pop out with stuff
Jan 8, 7:59 PM
Simone (Guest): How do we know if we have peace or not?
Jan 8, 8:00 PM
Carol (Guest): We develop it by focusing on God and not ourselves
Jan 8, 8:01 PM
Simone (Guest): I totally agree Carol. I think the more we get to “know” GOd. and by that I mean not just to know the bible – but to Know his heart – His eternal love – but also to know it in a way – that we fully embrace from what we see of that.. that is how we can develop peace.. to be enveloped by the Prince of Peace
Jan 8, 8:01 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I just got new Catholic Bible it is nrsv adventure Bible. I got that bible from the building you rosaries Catholic bookstore closed what I live in Rowland hight Azusa
Jan 8, 8:01 PM
Simone (Guest): THat’s a great bible Betty. I bought that one for my daughter last year for Christmas
Jan 8, 8:02 PM
Carol (Guest): I know where that is Betty. I grew up in East Whittier, off Colima Rd
Jan 8, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): WOW.. small world
Jan 8, 8:02 PM
Carol (Guest): To be enveloped by Jesus is His love, even for an instant…
Jan 8, 8:02 PM
Carol (Guest): It is sometimes very small.
Jan 8, 8:03 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I been that place because I go to Whittier hospital to see my diebetic doctor
Jan 8, 8:03 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I have diebetic type 2
Jan 8, 8:03 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes! That is right by us
Jan 8, 8:03 PM
Simone (Guest): sorry to hear that you have diebetis 2 Betty. But there are fortunately great medications out for it.
Jan 8, 8:04 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, we just really have to watch what we eat
Jan 8, 8:04 PM
Simone (Guest): I am right now fighting not to get diabetes 2. Started walking a lot – and of course try to hold my sugar intake down.
Jan 8, 8:04 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Today my blood sugar too high 161 that is terrible I have to pray to God teach me watch out what I eat
Jan 8, 8:04 PM
Carol (Guest): Good for you Simone!
Jan 8, 8:05 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes, prayer is good Betty.. but you also seem to work with a doctor. He/She will be able to direct you. I will keep you in prayer.
Jan 8, 8:05 PM
Carol (Guest): That is way too high Betty. It helps me if I have meals with a lot of protein
Jan 8, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): me too. Greek yogurt and turkey breast.. always in my house.. and every day on my plage
Jan 8, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): palte
Jan 8, 8:06 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Thanks simone from bettychao
Jan 8, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): oh my.. plate.. that’s it plate
Jan 8, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): I post the next question. OK?
Jan 8, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): How can we ensure that gentleness (as called for by St. Francis) is not confused with some kind of weak sentimentality?
Jan 8, 8:07 PM
Bettychao (Guest): My Catholic nun sister sr Anna nubiola tell me never drink sodas and she say I have to on diet
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Simone (Guest): sodas are REALLY bad for diabetes.
Jan 8, 8:07 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I also tell her I got liver sick and she in crying
Jan 8, 8:07 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes Betty, no soda.
8:07 PMVisitation Sr (Guest): Back! Gentleness takes strength
:08 PMCarol (Guest): Yes, true gentleness is the most powerful. Jesus is the ultimate example
MSimone (Guest): Gentleness is not a character disposition.. it is an active choice of love – often against the impulse of acting out according to our senses
, 8:09 PMCarol (Guest): Right Simone
10 PMSimone (Guest): I am getting a bit better at this. But it does not come easy to me.
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Visitation Sr (Guest): They gave a good example of gentlenness with SFDS heart rate at 100 but outwardly he was gentle
Jan 8, 8:11 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): 430 in Ca I think
Jan 8, 8:11 PM
Carol (Guest): The start is 4:30 Betty
Jan 8, 8:11 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes, I liked that too. gentleness might be linked with self control too
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Visitation Sr (Guest): self control yes
Jan 8, 8:12 PM
Carol (Guest): Total freedom in Christ?
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Simone (Guest): can you explain Carol?
Jan 8, 8:12 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Christ deliver us from sin and satan lucifer
13 PMCarol (Guest): We are so tuned in to His will for us that we never choose anything else
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Simone (Guest): do you mean.. to be so free in Christ, that you are not willing to step out of His Holy will of love? which would mean bringing pain to the world?
Jan 8, 8:13 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes
Jan 8, 8:13 PMSimone (Guest): I like that Carol
an 8, 8:14 PMBettychao (Guest): What is that mean can you tell us carol?
8, 8:14 PMSimone (Guest): I have to remind myself next time ” My freedom in Christ enables me to be gentle now”
n 8, 8:14 PMVisitation Sr (Guest): great way of approaching it
:15 PMCarol (Guest): It means that whenever we do something we must discern if it is what Jesus wants. And we must never purposely Hurt another person
8, 8:15 PMCarol (Guest): Beautiful Simone
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Simone (Guest): Ladies.. have I shared this link with you yet?
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): https://www.amazon.com/s?k=legacy+of+annecy&crid=ADYQOYE6VJEK&sprefix=legacy+of+annecy%2Caps%2C103&ref=nb_sb_noss
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Fr. Guibert says that St. Francis had an “extremely violent temper inside.” Yet the saint is known as a preacher of gentleness. How do you think he overcame this passion? How did this weakness shape who he became?
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): new book?
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Thanks!
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): yes. I published it.
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): wow! Great!
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): it’s called ” Legacy of Annecy
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): not too much of praise for me. I just took it on as a project
n 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): yes. I published it.
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): wow! Great!
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): it’s called ” Legacy of Annecy
Jan 8, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): not too much of praise for me. I just took it on as a project
Jan 8, 8:17 PM
Carol (Guest): He subjected everything to the will of God before he did it
Jan 8, 8:17 PM
Simone (Guest): it has a daily quote from St. Francis de Sales for every day of the year.
Jan 8, 8:17 PM
Simone (Guest): Should be a guide for Salesian women’s groups.
Jan 8, 8:17 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan I got the new bible nrsv Advanture Catholic Bible from mom and mom buy that for me from the Catholic bookstore in Rowland hightes closed what I live
Jan 8, 8:17 PM
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Simone (Guest): Sorry Carol.. I am with you again now
Jan 8, 8:18 PM
Simone (Guest): And I actually fully agree Carol.
Jan 8, 8:18 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Can I post or promote thru post on this website?
an 8, 8:18 PMSimone (Guest): of course you can Sister.
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Simone (Guest): there is not much of commission. but if I get some together it goes towards my trip to Annecy in September – where I will have my official consecration as a Daughter of St. Francis de Sales – in the Basilica.
Jan 8, 8:19 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): I think here are 7 books missing in protestaNT Bible
Jan 8, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): yes 7 books.
Jan 8, 8:19 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): That is also so graced How did you arrange that
an 8, 8:20 PMCarol (Guest): Oh my goodness Simone!
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Simone (Guest): You mean the trip Sister? There is a pilgrimage to France from the Daughters with a priest at this time. I cannot afford the pilgrimage trip. but I meat up with them on the day they are in Annecy- so I have a full mass with a Salesian priest there at my consecration.
Jan 8, 8:21 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): So blessed !
Jan 8, 8:21 PM
Simone (Guest): I love it. that you call it “graced” . you are right. That’s the best word
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Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan today I listen the name of God that is sermon teaching cd by pastor Tony avans
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Simone (Guest): and blessed of course too
Jan 8, 8:21 PM
Carol (Guest): That is so wonderful Simone!
8, 8:21 PMSimone (Guest): Thank you Carol
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Carol (Guest): You will love every minute and grace will change you
Jan 8, 8:22 PM
Simone (Guest): I really hope so Carol.
Jan 8, 8:22 PM
Simone (Guest): travelling is so hard on my body. But I am determined to make this trip
Jan 8, 8:22 PM
Bettychao (Guest): He talk about the Old Testament of the Bible how the isareal people worship God and obey God.
8:22 PMCarol (Guest): And you will really be His
:23 PMVisitation Sr (Guest): God is really bringing us all along
23 PMSimone (Guest): yes, He is.
an 8, 8:24 PMCarol (Guest): In places we could not imagine
8:24 PMVisitation Sr (Guest): Fr. Guibert says that St. Francis had an “extremely violent temper inside.” Yet the saint is known as a preacher of gentleness. How do you think he overcame this passion? How did this weakness shape who he became?
n 8, 8:25 PMSimone (Guest): Interesting.. his weakness was the foundation for his biggest “trademark”
8, 8:25 PMSimone (Guest): What is our biggest weakness – and how can it shape who we are becoming?
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Visitation Sr (Guest): good question for meditation
Jan 8, 8:26 PM
Carol (Guest): That totally sounds like Jesus. St Francis relied on Jesus and Jesus controlled his temper
PMSimone (Guest): Our weakness force us to give attention to this area – so that’s why people who struggle with something – are often the best teachers in this area – because they wrestled in depth with this subject often
:26 PMBettychao (Guest): Medietation and pray is keep us relax calming mind and talk to jesus
8, 8:28 PMCarol (Guest): I am struggling with fear and trust in health and job and housing
9 PMSimone (Guest): oh Carol – that sounds not good. I am so sorry to read about your struggle. Sometimes even women of such faith like you -can be affected by times of doubt and fear
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Carol (Guest): Its totally an attack from the dark side. The trick is to not answer the door when it knocks
Jan 8, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): Thank you both for sharing. I love to pray for both of you.
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Carol (Guest): Its totally an attack from the dark side. The trick is to not answer the door when it knocks
Jan 8, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): Thank you both for sharing. I love to pray for both of you.
Jan 8, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): May God increase faith in supernatural ways this week Carol
Jan 8, 8:30 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Thank you- this is not only chat but a prayer circle!
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Simone (Guest): I was in such a terrible down spiral in December.. almost knocked me out.
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Simone (Guest): Three days ago I got up – and I am back to normal.
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Jesus can kick the demon out and he drive out the demon and healing sick and raise the dead people up to life pray to Jesus healing you mom . Do not cry just pray to Jesus .sr susan
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Visitation Sr (Guest): Have a good week as we go back into ordinary time! I need to go now to the Srs.God bless!
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Carol (Guest): How could it be 5:30 already?
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Simone (Guest): I pray that you all feel God’s uplifting Spirit withhyou
Jan 8, 8:31 PM
Carol (Guest): Thank you Sister!
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