Why is it important to understand Jesus as Savior above Physician? Additionally, should the idea of Physician be ignored altogether?Is there anything out of reach of God’s mercy?Since baptism removes original sin, why are we still disposed toward sin?How do we take advantage of God’s mercy? (Consider St. Francis’s words: “You have sinned by thought, word, and deed; you must have recourse to contrary things, contrition, confession, and satisfaction.”)We speak of God’s endless mercy, but is this short time o
but is this short time on this confusing, broken earth a fair chance to discover and take advantage of God’s mercy?
Mar 18, 9:29 AM
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Mar 18, 9:30 AM
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Newsletter for Sunday chat March 19 | Visitation Spirit
08 PM
Barbara (Guest): TY!!!! When St FdeS uses the word “prevent” in connection with God’s Mercy, as when he says “..never would the sinner return, if mercy did not prevent him. O infinite goodness!”…is he using the then-current/now archaic meaning of prevent (e.g. anticipate, act ahead of, or precede)? Otherwise, I’m totally lost at what he means when he uses “prevent” (as we use it today) a number of times in the section about the Lord receiving sinners….
Mar 19, 7:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes the ancient meaning
7:27 PMSrSusan (Guest): First q Why is it important to understand Jesus as Savior above Physician?
r 19, 7:28 PM
Carol (Guest): I think we do not consider always all the ways He is Savior
Mar 19, 7:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Paula
Mar 19, 7:29 PM
Barbara (Guest): For Q1: there will come a time when bodily remedies provided by any/all physicians will fail; everyone will die; in fact, even everyone that Jesus healed physically when He was on Earth eventually died; but when healed spiritually, when the soul is healthy and holy, through Jesus the Savior a person will live forever…
Mar 19, 7:29 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Difficult year but God is always there Helping !!!!
r 19, 7:30 PMSrSusan (Guest): even as physician of our souls He may heal them but that does not guarantee our salvation, but His saving action does, so much more
ar 19, 7:31 PMPaula (Guest): Even in today’s Gospel…..The sin was the cause of the sickness in the man born blind
ar 19, 7:31 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): There comes a time when God calls us to are True Home Heaven !
9, 7:32 PM
Carol (Guest): When He heals us we must still choose to follow
Mar 19, 7:33 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Carroll V everyone is returning tonight!
Mar 19, 7:33 PM
SrSusan (Guest): good to see you back Carroll
9, 7:33 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): Great Blessing to have been with Both my Mom and Dad when they went to Heaven !!!!
19, 7:34 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Amen !!!
Mar 19, 7:34 PM
Barbara (Guest): And sometimes, when we’re not ready spiritually to go Home, a physical healing in desperate situations can be a metanoia call
Mar 19, 7:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): should the idea of Physician be ignored altogether?
Mar 19, 7:34 PMCarroll V (Guest): It is a blessing to be here- hi everyone!
Mar 19, 7:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): accorsing to your answer Barbara I would not ignore the idea of Phtsician
Mar 19, 7:35 PM
Carol (Guest): No, we should not forget Physician but honor it correctly
Mar 19, 7:35 PMPaula (Guest): We need to go beyond sickness….to savior because due to sin in our corrupt human body we will always have some malady to deal with here
ar 19, 7:36 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Is there anything out of reach of God’s mercy?
9, 7:37 PMPaula (Guest): We need Jesus as Physician and Saviour as both sin and sickness are intertwined
37 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Ruth
Mar 19, 7:37 PM
Carroll V (Guest): All is within God’s reach, thus nothing is impossible with God
Mar 19, 7:37 PM
Carol (Guest): Nothing is out of reach of God’s mercy
Mar 19, 7:38 PM
Rith (Guest): Hi everyone . sorry Iomega late
Mar 19, 7:38 PM
Barbara (Guest): Only thing out of God’s Mercy is what we put out of His merciful reach—e.g. what we don’t want Him to forgive or allow Him to forgive; what we don’t confess or repent over
19, 7:38 PM
Paula (Guest): Sinning against the Holy Spirit?
Mar 19, 7:38 PM
Rith (Guest): I am
19, 7:39 PMBarbara (Guest): uh-oh! I was afraid someone would bring that up! I hope it means that we refuse God’s Mercy eternally
9 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Had the opportunity to read 2nd Timothy to dear Friend Joe !!! True Evangelist who had a gentle way of introducing Soo many to Jesus !!! Sudden illness happened Soo Quickly he was looking Soo forward to enjoying his dear Grandson !!!! Soo Difficult but he accepted God’s Will !!!!
Mar 19, 7:39 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Likewise, Barbara
Mar 19, 7:40 PM
SrSusan (Guest): but if we want His Mercy He will give it, if we are in intergrity asking for it and try to sin no more
, 7:41 PMPaula (Guest): I think that since the Holy Spirit is the culmination of the Father and Son’s love….refusing God’s love (to love God) ?
19, 7:42 PM
Carroll V (Guest): and when we sincerely beg His assistance grow into integrity, His mercy and grace never tire until He succeeds in doing what He said He would do!
Mar 19, 7:43 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The Holy Spirit is the love between Father and Son
9, 7:43 PMCarroll V (Guest): to grow
Mar 19, 7:44 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Since baptism removes original sin, why are we still disposed toward sin?
9, 7:44 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): God seems to expose to us areas of our life that we have not fully committed too Him and he allows us to have the freedom to expose that then we must decide whether we will truly confess and repent and move closer to God !!!
Mar 19, 7:44 PM
Rith (Guest): Paula in today’s gospel my understanding is that the Pharisees believed the blind man was blind because ot jhis sins or those of his parents, but Jesus said he was born blind in order to glorify God when Jesus healed him.
Mar 19, 7:45 PM
Carol (Guest): We are still disposed toward sin due to free will and our own brokenness
Mar 19, 7:45 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Amen, Brian! … like layers towards Truth
Mar 19, 7:45 PM
Barbara (Guest): If I understand correxctly, Baptism removes the eternal punishment due from original sin, but not the effects of original sin—e.g. we all have weakened wills and diminished “smarts” as far as choosing and differentiating good and evil—which is “funny” considering that telling good from evil is what Adam & Eve thought they were “eating the apple” to be able to do!
19, 7:47 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): God is always providing us opportunities to grow and learn from our mistakes !!!!
ar 19, 7:47 PMSrSusan (Guest): Original sin damaged us in some mysterious way
, 7:49 PMBarbara (Guest): And took away those amazing preternatural (?) gifts that maybe we get back in out post-Last Judgment mysteriously glorified bodies
7:49 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Jesus’s Death and Resurrection Has Healed us in a Miraculous Way !!!!!!
Mar 19, 7:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes- we are not what we were meant to be but we will regain that being in eternity
Mar 19, 7:50 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Amen !!!
Mar 19, 7:50 PM
Barbara (Guest): Cause for rejoicing!
ar 19, 7:51 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): We must forgive ourselves !!!!! God commands us too !!!!
Mar 19, 7:51 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How do we take advantage of God’s mercy?
19, 7:51 PM
Paula (Guest): Confession
Mar 19, 7:51 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes first and best way I think
Mar 19, 7:51 PM
Rith (Guest): Sorry “Brian Bunny”. Glad to see you back here though. I lost another good long time friend to sudden death very recently, too. The funeral Mass was live-streamed, so I was able to “attend” remotely.
Mar 19, 7:51 PM
Paula (Guest): and an amended life
ar 19, 7:52 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): Trusting in His True Mercy and Forgiveness !!!
Mar 19, 7:52 PMCarol (Guest): And praying prayers like the mercy chaplet, receiving Eucharist
ar 19, 7:52 PMSrSusan (Guest): yes and honoring the divine mercy image
19, 7:52 PMCarroll V (Guest): Lately I’ve been reflecting on how, whatever the circumstances, things are happening ” for us,” not “to us” because nothing happens without God allowing it… the hard stuff is how Our Lord draws us more closely to Him. Seems like maybe that is tge reason He allowed the fall… and why He allows the lingering effects of sin… only ever to draw us closer!
ar 19, 7:53 PMSrSusan (Guest): good insight
r 19, 7:53 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): I am Sorry for your Loss Ruth !!!! Soo Good to be back with you All Tonight !!!
9, 7:54 PM
Paula (Guest): And penance….doing something for the love of God….as He loved us soooo much and wants us to love Him
Mar 19, 7:54 PM
SrSusan (Guest): can you believe we are going on our 13th year!
, 7:54 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Amen Carrol !!!!!
Mar 19, 7:54 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Simone!
5 PM
Barbara (Guest): Charity by almsgiving will help me “make up” for my sins…What I’ve been hearing and reading this Lent seems to suggest that my charity toward someone covers a multitude of THAT PERSON’S sins—maybe because showing charity toward someone softens my heart & I’m less conscious of or focused on their “sins”—or maybe my charity for someone is like asking for God’s forgiveness for that person– as Jesus did for His executioners??? And so then God forgices me…
Mar 19, 7:55 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Amen Paula !!!!!
9, 7:56 PM
Carol (Guest): You are on to something there Carroll
Mar 19, 7:56 PM
Barbara (Guest): Thirteen is a blessed number! Praise God! Congratulations
9, 7:56 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Simone we are on this q How do we take advantage of God’s mercy?
Mar 19, 7:56 PM
Paula (Guest): Yes, Our Lady of Fatima appeared on the 13th of the month
ar 19, 7:57 PMSimone (Guest): Barbara – may I ask – where you read about the connection between our charity and forgiveness of sins for this person? A book?
r 19, 7:57 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): Thank You Sister Susan for your Faithfulness To God !!!!!! You inspire All to live Closer too God !!!!!!
r 19, 7:57 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): Thank You Sister Susan for your Faithfulness To God !!!!!! You inspire All to live Closer too God !!!!!!
Mar 19, 7:58 PMSimone (Guest): That is truly amazing. And all these years you showed up every Sunday – what a testimony of persistence
ar 19, 7:59 PMBarbara (Guest): Simone, I’ve been doing so much reading and listening to Lenten reflections, that I can’t give a title, but I was struck by how many times that message was being communicated
, 7:59 PM
Simone (Guest): thanks Barbara.
Mar 19, 8:00 PM
Barbara (Guest): I think that message struck me because I have a number of people I need to seriously forgive!
r 19, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): may God bless you with courage Barbara – on the journey of forgiveness
Mar 19, 8:02 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Consider St. Francis’s words: “You have sinned by thought, word, and deed; you must have recourse to contrary things, contrition, confession, and satisfaction.”)
Mar 19, 8:02 PM
Paula (Guest): We need charity towards all because God loves each one of us.
Mar 19, 8:02 PM
Barbara (Guest): TY, Simone!
8:02 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Sister Susan you are a Cyber Saint for our Lord Jesus Christ !!!!! Faithfully giving us an opportunity to have such beautiful fellowship together with God in the Living Jesus Chat all these years !!!!! Thank You Soo Much !!!!!
Mar 19, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): I love the word CYBER SAINT.
Mar 19, 8:03 PM
SrSusan (Guest): That’s a new one
r 19, 8:04 PM
Barbara (Guest): for more fun alliteration: Super Cyber Saint!
Mar 19, 8:04 PM
Rith (Guest): Carroll V. That is why the FALL is referred to — at least in a hymn — as “O happy fault”. It resulted in God revealing his love for us through his Son who redeemed us.
Mar 19, 8:04 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Amen !!!!
Mar 19, 8:04 PMCarroll V (Guest): I love your pearls of wisdom Ruth!
ar 19, 8:05 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, if Adam and Eve had not fallen, would we be conscious of our need for God
Mar 19, 8:05 PM
Barbara (Guest): Yes, Ruth–Like when the Lord told St. Faustina that the greater the sinner the greater the sinner’s “right” toHis Mercy….
Mar 19, 8:05 PMPaula (Guest): So we must also love one another
r 19, 8:07 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): No Greater Sacrifice Could God the Father offer than too endure the suffering and Death of His Son for us knowing that He could stop it at anytime but He knew He must endure this too Truly Demonstrate His Love for All !!!!
Mar 19, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): quick side question – if allowed.. how would you define the difference between mercy and grace?
ar 19, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): quick side question – if allowed.. how would you define the difference between mercy and grace?
Mar 19, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): mercy a response of redemptive love?
Mar 19, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): Grace – ????
Mar 19, 8:08 PM
Paula (Guest): Not just a commandment…..God is love and He loves EACH of us and wants His creatures to love Him in return and because He loves each of His creatures we need too love our brothers and sister too….because God loves THEM too.
Mar 19, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): undeserved gift?
ar 19, 8:08 PMCarroll V (Guest): I’ve been reflecting on how it says in the first line of today’s Gospel reading the Jesus SAW the blind man… we must take tge time to ” see” others in order to be available to love them
Mar 19, 8:09 PMSimone (Guest): interestingly – the Spiritual Gift of MERCY – is described often – as “the gift of “seeing” others in need
r 19, 8:10 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Amen !!!!!
Mar 19, 8:10 PM
Carol (Guest): I am going to have to meditate on the correlation between sight and mercy
Mar 19, 8:10 PM
Paula (Guest): Also having compassion for them
ar 19, 8:11 PMSimone (Guest): I think compassion starts with looking out – where there could be someone
19, 8:11 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): The enemy attempts to blind us to the needs of others and Jesus Opens are Eyes to the needs of All !!!!!!!
ar 19, 8:12 PM
Barbara (Guest): God allows us to share in His life through Grace; God shows us His Mercy by a choice and act of His Will when we don’t deserve His Goodness in justice
Mar 19, 8:12 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Wow Simone, first time I recall hearing that- thank you.
9, 8:12 PMRith (Guest): Will you please check in here tomorrow. There is a proposal to BAN IMMIGRATION with a public comment time only until March 27. Even reuniting families, or asylum would be banned. We need to say NO to this! It is SO against love of neighbor.
Mar 19, 8:12 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): Amen Barbara !!!!
Mar 19, 8:13 PMRith (Guest): Illegal too, I think.
19, 8:13 PMSimone (Guest): in US Ruth?
ar 19, 8:13 PMSimone (Guest): I hardly can imagine that they shut down all immigration. Seriously?
, 8:15 PMSrSusan (Guest): q We speak of God’s endless mercy, but is this short time o
but is this short time on this confusing, broken earth a fair chance to discover and take advantage of God’s mercy?
8:16 PMBarbara (Guest): I think mercy is akin to meekness (which we tried to define a couple of weeks ago). God’s Mercy puts aside retribution or punishment which He is entitled to mete out, as meekness by humans defers to God’s choice in how to react…So the meek person foregoes seeking punishment or vengeance
9, 8:16 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): An example of the enemy blinding people . Never have we needed more Immigration too help our Country with an aging population and lack of ambitious people who want to start a new life in safety and security !!!!
Mar 19, 8:16 PM
Simone (Guest): I find the wording “take advantage” so misleading somehow. I would rather use – “receive” or “respond to”. Taking advantage of something or someone sounds like I am doing something inconsiderate. at least to me
9, 8:17 PMRith (Guest): Barbara, Today I listened to a long testimony of a priest who had a powerful death experience as a 30 year old sinner and in the wake of it turned into a believer and experienced a call to the priesthood. A visit to Medjegori was part of the journey after his seemingly miraculous recovery.
8:18 PM
Barbara (Guest): Praise God!
Mar 19, 8:18 PM
Simone (Guest): Barbara – mercy and meekness – definetely both have the same root. Namely to let go of some kind of power – for the life of someone else.
Mar 19, 8:19 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think He is merciful to us every day, all day long
r 19, 8:19 PMBarbara (Guest): So much–so many nuances–to ponder tonight
Mar 19, 8:19 PM
Carroll V (Guest): God’s timing in all things is perfect, so perhaps it is His mercy that makes our time on this earth so fleeting!
r 19, 8:20 PM
Barbara (Guest): I like the idea that God calls the soul as its optimum holiness, no matter their age…
Mar 19, 8:20 PM
Simone (Guest): back to the question. We need his mercy only here at earth – so it should be enough time.
r 19, 8:20 PM
Paula (Guest): God’s mercy is endless…but we must show us our love for God by contrition, confession and satisfaction for the sins we commit in a positive effort….no matter for how short or long a time we get to do that
Mar 19, 8:20 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): God offers us a New Life every Day !!!!! Example of His Mercy !!!!!
Mar 19, 8:20 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, so while we are still here we need to keep at it’
ar 19, 8:20 PMRith (Guest): No I just want to post the information and have difficulty with my lack of storage on my iPad etc. so I might not finish tonight.
19, 8:21 PMBarbara (Guest): Compared with the angels who got “one shot” at Heaven (or not), I do believe that in His Justice, Mercy, and Love, God gives us all the time and Grace we need—no matter how short or long our lives are. In fact, living a longer time can be an advantage or a disadvantage—living to 100 may give us more time to do good, but also more time to do evil…
ar 19, 8:21 PMCarroll V (Guest): We are all, after all, in exile from our true home with Him. He will not keep those who accept His Love in exile forever!
Mar 19, 8:21 PMBrian Bunny (Guest): Amen Carol !!!!!! And Pray for Each Other !!!!!!
9, 8:23 PM
Simone (Guest): Barbara – in regards to your last point . My uncle found back to God and Mother Church after several years – decades – of ignoring it. He had a powerful conversion and died the next day in a bicycle accident. I was in awe of God’s mercy – God took him into heaven on the hight of his faith and interior purity,
Mar 19, 8:23 PM
Paula (Guest): We must make positive steps in charity each day as SFDS’ in his Treatise on the love of GodV
ar 19, 8:23 PMBarbara (Guest): Carroll, I love when someone’s “death” is referred to as his or her “Homecoming!”
r 19, 8:24 PM
Carroll V (Guest): What a grace, Simone!
Mar 19, 8:24 PM
Carol (Guest): It is really!
Mar 19, 8:24 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree. What a grace.
Mar 19, 8:24 PM
Rith (Guest): Simone, don’t the souls in purgatory also need his mercy to be able to enter heaven.? Isn’t that why we are called to pray for the souls in purgatory?
Mar 19, 8:25 PM
Barbara (Guest): Which reminds me that I heard/read that one root of the word cemetery is dormitory, as in the believers’ bodies are in dormition till the Resurrection of the bodies!
Mar 19, 8:25 PMCarroll V (Guest): Me too, Barbara. I am working as a hospice nurse now and it is such a privilege to witness someone’s rebirthday into eternity!
ar 19, 8:25 PMSimone (Guest): Ruth.. I thought about that too.. but it refers in the question “if we would need more time”…and that’s why I wrote what I said
:27 PM
Simone (Guest): too complicated to write my thoughts out on that Ruth. But I actually agree in what you said
Mar 19, 8:27 PM
Barbara (Guest): Bravo for you, Carroll!!! I went through hospice volunteer training and had one indelible experience of “mid-wifing” someone into eternal life…Chilling in its sacred awesomeness!
r 19, 8:27 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): God Bless Your Hospice Ministry Carrol !!!!!!
Mar 19, 8:27 PM
Barbara (Guest): Your patients are blessed to have you!!!!
Mar 19, 8:27 PM
Paula (Guest): We have to be prepared either way….my grandmother used to say today is given tomorrow is not promised
Mar 19, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): Your grandmother was very wise Paula
Mar 19, 8:28 PM
Barbara (Guest): Amen!
ar 19, 8:28 PMSimone (Guest): that’s why I always eat up all the chocolate at home 
Mar 19, 8:28 PMPaula (Guest): even time is God’s gift to us
Mar 19, 8:29 PMSimone (Guest): yes Paula, YES.. time is a gift for us –
ar 19, 8:29 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, always finish the chocolate, just in case
Mar 19, 8:29 PM
Simone (Guest): I knew we are on the same page Carol
19, 8:29 PMBarbara (Guest): Simone, are you planning to be holding a spoon in your casket–as someone who’s message was: the best is yet to come (And like you–I hope there’s lots of (dark?) chocolate
ar 19, 8:30 PMSimone (Guest): LOLLLL.. love this Barbara.. Will pass that on to my husband. New rule for my will. Spoon in my casket!
Mar 19, 8:30 PM
Barbara (Guest):
Mar 19, 8:30 PM
Brian Bunny (Guest): Great Time with All of You Tonight !!!!!! Keep Shining for Jesus !!!!!! God Bless You All!!!!!!
ar 19, 8:30 PMCarroll V (Guest): A sweet celebration of 13 years!
, 8:30 PM
Carol (Guest): It has been that long!
Mar 19, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): has anyone been here that long?
Mar 19, 8:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes Carol
Mar 19, 8:31 PM
Simone (Guest): I am sort of a newbie with my 2 years here
Mar 19, 8:31 PM
Paula (Guest): Here is something to think about ….will we have what we have enjoyed in this life in heaven or what we have sacrificed and done without?
Mar 19, 8:31 PM
Rith (Guest): True,Carroll, in a way we are in Exil here, but in a way it can be such a BEAUTIFUL exil! And with the Mass we have a foretaste of heaven!
Mar 19, 8:31 PM
Barbara (Guest): A couple of years ago, I fulfilled my lontime desire to be buried in a simnple Trappist casket…Asked my family to decorate with holy images and sayings…
ar 19, 8:31 PMCarroll V (Guest): Yet SO very appreciated, Simone!
ar 19, 8:31 PM
Barbara (Guest): (Not that I’m in the casket yet…but it’s ordered for when the old body needs it!)
Mar 19, 8:32 PM
Carroll V (Guest): Amen, Ruth
ar 19, 8:32 PMSimone (Guest): Phew Barbara .. you got me worried for a minute
ar 19, 8:32 PMBarbara (Guest):
8:33 PM
Simone (Guest): Paula, I am not sure if I understand your question. I think everything we have done “through” and “with” Christ will be with us in heaven. Everything else will fall away
Mar 19, 8:33 PM
Barbara (Guest): I’m not like the former character on NCIS
Mar 19, 8:33 PM
Simone (Guest): LOL
ar 19, 8:34 PM
Rith (Guest): Paula, and even not ALL of today is promised or give Until it today is live out.
Mar 19, 8:34 PM
Carol (Guest): It is so hard to imagine what we will be like
ar 19, 8:34 PMSimone (Guest): you are right Carol, so hard to imagine… sometimes I go to the transfiguration to get a glimpse
, 8:35 PM
Carol (Guest): Time and space had no meaning for Jesus’ resurrected body
Mar 19, 8:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Dear Friends- I need to go now. God bless!
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