If confession is for the remission of sin, why is it not enough to just go through the motions? Why do we need to be detached from sin?Does this mean a person’s confession is invalid if they do not have true sorrow for their sins?Does this mean I can just have a hatred for sin and healthy detachment from them and canjust skip sacramental confession?If this aspects of the will and heart need to be included in a proper and complete disconnect from sin, does this throw a wrench in baptismal theology that sins are forgiven at the time of baptism? And that infants can/should receive baptism?How can we learn to make a deep and sincere act of contrition (not the words, but the disposition of the heart)? Jun 4, 7:49 PM
Carol (Guest): Not necessarily, because the root cause must also be healed
Jun 4, 7:49 PM
Heather Hansen (Guest): Small but mighty and detrimental
Jun 4, 7:49 PM
Simone (Guest): LOL.. if I just would understand cunning now.. but it’s OK Heather. THanks
Jun 4, 7:49 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. baffling I do understand
Jun 4, 7:49 PM
Simone (Guest): hmmm.. the root cause of what Carol… sorry to put you on the spot..
Jun 4, 7:49 PM
Carol (Guest): How about deeply rooted and hidden Simine
Jun 4, 7:50 PM
Steph (Guest): true Carol, we may need to heal trauma that causes the repetition in sin
Jun 4, 7:50 PM
Simone (Guest): so.. it seems that sin – is more than just the behaviour.. what we repent.. that’s what I am hearing
Jun 4, 7:50 PM
Carol (Guest): It’s okay. The root cause of a particular sin. Like pride, envy etc or it could be behavioral issues due to unhealed trauma?
Jun 4, 7:50 PM
Heather Hansen (Guest): Remorse will only get us so far to removing sin as an action. I wonder when St Francis de Sales will discuss God’s Grace in relation to removing sin
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): I wish there was a way to have StF words, this chapter before us….he explains so much
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): do you have the words in the book Dawn?
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): well.. let’s go to the next question.
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): it will lead us actually nicely
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Carol (Guest): It’s true Heather, Jesus heals us but we have to show up
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): I open the letter Sr Susan has sent and can refer to it as we are chatting any responding to questions
Jun 4, 7:51 PM
Simone (Guest): perfect Dawn
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): here is question #2
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): Does this mean a person’s confession is invalid if they do not have true sorrow for their sins?
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Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): oh and Hi Elaine.. good to see you
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Simone (Guest): Sister is here!
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Sorry to be late
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Carol (Guest): Can only a priest be sure of validity?
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Elaine
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Sr Susan!
Jun 4, 7:52 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Sr Susan!
Jun 4, 7:53 PM
Simone (Guest): We were wondering if you are locked out Sister. Good to have you Sister. We are on question 2 now. Want to take over?
Jun 4, 7:53 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi all! What are we up to ?
Jun 4, 7:53 PM
SrSusan (Guest): You do great without me but sure
Jun 4, 7:53 PM
Simone (Guest): Does this mean a person’s confession is invalid if they do not have true sorrow for their sins?
Jun 4, 7:53 PM
Simone (Guest): just reposted question
7:54 PMSteph (Guest): I think so, you have to be humble and trust in God, lay out all the cards on the table to be valid, no?
7:55 PM
Steph (Guest): but…you can be sorrowful in your sins, and still go back to drinking, smoking for example. Hard life for some, those are comfort items
Jun 4, 7:55 PM
SrSusan (Guest): not sure about that
Jun 4, 7:55 PM
Simone (Guest): In the end – only God can judge our level of remorse or contrition
n 4, 7:55 PMDawn (Guest): Contrition is necessary for Confession to be valid
4, 7:56 PM
Heather Hansen (Guest): Sounds like we need a definition of contritoo up n
Jun 4, 7:56 PM
Heather Hansen (Guest): Contrition
4, 7:57 PM
SrSusan (Guest): the repentance of past sins during or after confession.
Jun 4, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): what if someone is really sorry for what they did – is that contrition? – and goes to confession – but already knows that they will commit the same sin – but WITHOUT trying to detach from the sin.
4, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): or the attraction to sin
Jun 4, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): thanks Sister Susan
Jun 4, 7:57 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think there is imperfect and perfect contrition
4, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. tell us more about this Sister please
Jun 4, 7:58 PM
Heather Hansen (Guest): Going to have to run ladies. Thank you for your time. God Bless you all
Jun 4, 7:58 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Perfect contrition (also called contrition of charity) is a repentance for sin that is motivated by faith and the love of God. It contrasts with imperfect contrition, which arises from a less pure motive, such as common decency or fear of Hell.
Jun 4, 7:58 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Glad you were here Heather
Jun 4, 7:58 PMSimone (Guest): Sister.. what you are saying is something I was contemplating earlier.
un 4, 7:59 PM
Simone (Guest): I can be sorry because of fear of GOD ( but more fear of hell) — or I can be sorry, because of Love of God. The first one leads more to remorse of behaviour I think .. whereas the second one – is a gateway to detachment from sin
Jun 4, 8:00 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes
4, 8:00 PMCarol (Guest): The first is more immature
un 4, 8:00 PMSimone (Guest): I agree Carol.
un 4, 8:01 PMSrSusan (Guest): This q ties in: Does this mean I can just have a hatred for sin and healthy detachment from them and canjust skip sacramental confession?
n 4, 8:01 PM
Simone (Guest): well.. sounds like my old times in the protestant church
Jun 4, 8:01 PM
Carol (Guest): No! Without grace we cannot detach
, 8:01 PM
Dawn (Guest): haha Simone
Jun 4, 8:02 PM
Steph (Guest): oh no, you have to confess to priest, as he is acting as persona Christ
, 8:02 PMSimone (Guest): we cannot lift the power of sin over us from our own. We have offended the eternal one – only the eternal one can repair
n 4, 8:02 PM
Dawn (Guest): everything is grace
Jun 4, 8:02 PM
Simone (Guest): and he does that in the Sacrament
n 4, 8:03 PMSimone (Guest): Everything is grace… everything.. would be a lovely tatoo
n 4, 8:03 PMSteph (Guest): the more we live with sacraments,the more closer to Jesus. So beautiful
Jun 4, 8:04 PMCarol (Guest): And we cannot skip the other sacraments either
un 4, 8:04 PMSimone (Guest): oh no. how would grace enter our soul?
n 4, 8:05 PMSimone (Guest): that was a rhetorical question
8:06 PM
Carol (Guest): We are all in silent agreement
Jun 4, 8:06 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes Carol
Jun 4, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. I have to teach that to my family.. .silent agreement.
6 PM
Carol (Guest): You’re funny
Jun 4, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): I take that as a compliment.
:07 PM
Carol (Guest): Oh good, because it is one
Jun 4, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): <3
Jun 4, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): that should be a heart
n 4, 8:07 PMSimone (Guest): laying down..
4, 8:08 PMDawn (Guest): St Teresa of Avila ” it took years of praying for the grace of perfect contrition before she received it and began to advance along
8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): wow.. that is powerful. I have not prayed for the grace of perfect contrition for a long time
Jun 4, 8:08 PM
Carol (Guest): It’s like praying for humility in its power to change us
Jun 4, 8:08 PM
Simone (Guest): I see
, 8:09 PM
Dawn (Guest): I have not either!
Jun 4, 8:09 PM
Simone (Guest): I feel, that I just was given a treasure
Jun 4, 8:10 PMSrSusan (Guest): great reminder
un 4, 8:11 PM
Dawn (Guest): me as well. it goes on to say we should spend more of our prep time praying for grace of contrition htan in examining our indivual sins…
Jun 4, 8:11 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q If this aspects of the will and heart need to be included in a proper and complete disconnect from sin, does this throw a wrench in baptismal theology that sins are forgiven at the time of baptism?
n 4, 8:11 PM
Steph (Guest): and literally have patience of a saint…like St Teresa of Avila LOL
Jun 4, 8:11 PM
Carol (Guest): Because our conscience will tell us what we might otherwise omit
Jun 4, 8:12 PMSimone (Guest): contrition will spill out – what pride would want to keep in
n 4, 8:13 PM
Steph (Guest): I don’t think so Sister, is it not original sin at baptism
Jun 4, 8:13 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree Steph
Jun 4, 8:13 PM
Steph (Guest): Our parents, God parents bring us in the faith at baptism to recieve Holy Spirit, and try to be sinless
un 4, 8:14 PMSimone (Guest): The sacrament of baptism give us the power to ever enter into genuine contrition
un 4, 8:14 PM
Steph (Guest): as we grow, we must follow Gods will and heart, and that is when Gods grace to keep on straight and narrow
Jun 4, 8:14 PM
Steph (Guest): true Simone, good thought
un 4, 8:17 PMSrSusan (Guest): original sin is different than our own committed sins, baptism of infants takes away original sin
un 4, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): I love what SFdS writes about people who are not detached from sin.. but try to have “good behaviour”
Jun 4, 8:19 PM
Simone (Guest): Such a soul performs good actions, but with such spiritual languor as to deprive them of all grace, and to make them scanty and ineffective.
4, 8:20 PM
Simone (Guest): I find that very interesting…
n 4, 8:20 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes, and Im thinking to read Intro again
Jun 4, 8:21 PM
SrSusan (Guest): great book
Jun 4, 8:21 PM
Carol (Guest): So much to learn
Jun 4, 8:21 PM
Simone (Guest): Hmm Dawn.. we should chat about this
un 4, 8:21 PMSimone (Guest): SFdS was such a good Diagnostic of the Soul. brilliant
4, 8:22 PMSrSusan (Guest): q And that infants can/should receive baptism?How can we learn to make a deep and sincere act of contrition (not the words, but the disposition of the heart)?
4, 8:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): At one time Sr Susan took us thru the book
Jun 4, 8:23 PM
Simone (Guest): I know. you ladies have told me. Well.. unfortunately it was not on my radar by then yet. sigh
Jun 4, 8:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): Well now I think I should pray for it!
Jun 4, 8:23 PM
Carol (Guest): Me too!
Jun 4, 8:23 PM
Simone (Guest): I am interested in all your answers to the last question posted. How does one “learn” to make a deep and sincere act of contrition?
Jun 4, 8:23 PM
Simone (Guest): I get that asked a lot
Jun 4, 8:24 PM
Dawn (Guest): To pray for it.
Jun 4, 8:24 PM
Simone (Guest): Dawn. .how would you pray for that?
un 4, 8:24 PMCarol (Guest): To pray, yes, and to go often to Confession
un 4, 8:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): umm good question. To pray for the grace of contrition. to ask Jesu for the grace
Jun 4, 8:25 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I could post all the chats from the introduction on the website if that helps
Jun 4, 8:25 PM
Simone (Guest): I think – that contrition is a product of grace on one hand – and of love for God on the other hand.
:25 PM
Simone (Guest): oh. wow.. that would be a loooooooong post Sister
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): well several posts
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
Carol (Guest): T would help I think
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): or you can look undr the archives it was active then
5 PM
Simone (Guest): oh. wow.. that would be a loooooooong post Sister
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): well several posts
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
Carol (Guest): T would help I think
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): or you can look undr the archives it was active then
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
Simone (Guest): and do we study that together then.. or individually read it on the website?
Jun 4, 8:26 PM
Simone (Guest): I think I saw something once
Jun 4, 8:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Good question I can repost a few and then we can decide maybe key topics
un 4, 8:27 PMSimone (Guest): the time might be right. What do others say?
4, 8:27 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes!
Jun 4, 8:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): A fruitful idea and venture1
, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): unity is a sign of the Holy Spirit often
Jun 4, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): I can see total unity here in our ansewrs
Jun 4, 8:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes. maybe we could communicate in email ?
Jun 4, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): I am in
Jun 4, 8:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): here is sample of first one https://www.icontact-archive.com/archive?c=1029793&f=1988&s=2046&m=414174&t=44f0d18c19339967b1be43b205c1596fa07d3b2574e5f4560987969cb886fdda
un 4, 8:29 PM
Carol (Guest): Thank you!
Jun 4, 8:29 PM
Simone (Guest): lovely. Looking forward to this
Jun 4, 8:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): thank you Sr
, 8:29 PM
Dawn (Guest): this is great Sister, will help us to stay on the path
Jun 4, 8:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): so one news chat for chat and one older one for e mail?
n 4, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): sounds good to me
Jun 4, 8:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ok
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