Reflections:How can we miss something, even though we are so eager to see it?St. Francis tells St. Jane, “you must no longer be a woman, you must have a man’s heart.” Certainly, this does not relate to today’s gender hysteria; so what did he mean by this?Why did Jesus not want Mary Magdalene to touch Him? What does this mean?What did St. Francis mean when he was talking about St. Jane having the name of Jesus physically branded on her skin? Was this a tattoo?How can marks of faith that we wear help us? For
Jul 6, 9:31 AM
SrSusan (Guest): For example, blessed medals, scapulars, St. Benedict bracelets, rosary rings, and the like?
What does it mean for our hearts to belong to Jesus?
Jul 6, 9:32 AM
SrSusan (Guest): Sunb chat Jul 9 730pm est
Jul 6, 9:32 AM
SrSusan (Guest): newsletter for chat https://visitationspirit.org/2023/07/newsletter-for-sunday-chat-jul-9/
Newsletter for Sunday chat Jul 9 | Visitation Spirit
Jul 7, 11:30 AM
Sydne Fox (Guest): Hello?
Jul 7, 11:30 AM
Sydne Fox (Guest): Is anyone here?
Jul 7, 11:32 AM
, 7:26 PMSrSusan (Guest): q How can we miss something, even though we are so eager to see it
9, 7:28 PM
Paula (Guest): anxiety and emotional stress….can’t see what’s in front of us
ul 9, 7:28 PMPaula (Guest): anger too…can’t think
ul 9, 7:29 PMSrSusan (Guest): we can be looking for it in a preconceived way and miss the reality
ul 9, 7:29 PMPaula (Guest): yep…was going to say that too
ul 9, 7:29 PM
Paula (Guest): can’t think outside the box – in new ways
Jul 9, 7:30 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): Sr Susan sometimes I go to Catholic Church with mom and sometimes I go to baptist church with my sister monica
ul 9, 7:29 PM
Paula (Guest): can’t think outside the box – in new ways
Jul 9, 7:30 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): Sr Susan sometimes I go to Catholic Church with mom and sometimes I go to baptist church with my
ul 9, 7:30 PMSrSusan (Guest): when I am looking for a certain book it is in front of me and I can miss it
ul 9, 7:31 PMPaula (Guest): yep…me too
ul 9, 7:32 PMSrSusan (Guest): q St. Francis tells St. Jane, “you must no longer be a woman, you must have a man’s heart.” Certainly, this does not relate to today’s gender hysteria; so what did he mean by this?
ul 9, 7:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think he means a courageous heart
Jul 9, 7:34 PM
Paula (Guest): we must not get discouraged and cry over things…like a women’s
ul 9, 7:34 PMPaula (Guest): sensitive heart
l 9, 7:35 PM
Paula (Guest): that is difficult to do
Jul 9, 7:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): probably people might be offended by that phrase
Jul 9, 7:35 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): Sr Susan what is bad shepherd and good shepherd please tell me I want hear what you think for sr Susan by Betty
ul 9, 7:36 PMPaula (Guest): probably true but it is the truth….women are more sensitive to things then men
9, 7:38 PMPaula (Guest): although people may argue differently….it is the truth as that is how God made them
l 9, 7:41 PMSrSusan (Guest): I am not sure a man’s heart is all that different from a woman’s in important things
l 9, 7:42 PMPaula (Guest): i don’t know any more society has changed so much
ul 9, 7:43 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Why did Jesus not want Mary Magdalene to touch Him?
ul 9, 7:45 PMPaula (Guest): Maybe so she would have more faith….
ul 9, 7:46 PMSrSusan (Guest): We heard answers in sermons but I can never remember them
l 9, 7:48 PM
Paula (Guest): I was meditating on that once…I don’t think that Mary believed in Jesus’ resurrected body at first
Jul 9, 7:49 PM
Paula (Guest): i think that she thought Jesus was a ghost (soul)
Jul 9, 7:49 PM
9, 7:50 PM
Paula (Guest): as many of the apostles initially thought that was why He ate the baked fish
Jul 9, 7:50 PM
SrSusan (Guest): He had not yet ascended to the Father
ul 9, 7:53 PMSrSusan (Guest): q What did St. Francis mean when he was talking about St. Jane having the name of Jesus physically branded on her skin? Was this a tattoo?
, 7:53 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q What did St. Francis mean when he was talking about St. Jane having the name of Jesus physically branded on her skin? Was this a tattoo?
Jul 9, 7:53 PM
Paula (Guest): sort of….she carved the name of Jesus on her bosom
Jul 9, 7:54 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes she did this
7:54 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes she did this
Jul 9, 7:55 PM
SrSusan (Guest): it was fairly common among saints of that era
Jul 9, 7:55 PM
Paula (Guest): that’s courage! except St. Francis was not too happy that she did so
Jul 9, 7:55 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes he was not dramatic
Jul 9, 7:56 PMSrSusan (Guest): but if she had asked permission it mite be different
, 7:57 PM
Simone (Guest): So sorry for the delay.
Jul 9, 7:57 PM
SrSusan (Guest): beautiful
Jul 9, 7:58 PM
Paula (Guest): not sure….it is a letter to her …but not sure if she was a regular directee at this point
Jul 9, 7:58 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Simone!
9, 8:00 PM
Paula (Guest): Yep Betty….as one sister once told me better late than never
Jul 9, 8:00 PM
Simone (Guest): thanks Sister
ul 9, 8:00 PMSimone (Guest): well… you discussed it already I think. I did not know that St. Francis was not happy about this.
l 9, 8:01 PMSimone (Guest): I wonder what made St. Jane actually do it.
9, 8:01 PM
Simone (Guest): Was it despair – was she tempted and wanted to make a physical statement of her commitment. Was it longing for Jesus so badly? What do you all think?
Jul 9, 8:02 PM
SrSusan (Guest): wanting to show her love and did not want to be married again
ul 9, 8:02 PMPaula (Guest): yep
l 9, 8:02 PMSimone (Guest): right.. now it comes back to meHow can marks of faith that we wear help us?
9, 8:05 PM
Simone (Guest): I think “marks of faith” can be a beautiful sign , that says ” I am His. I come with His love, I am here to serve” . I think they give a lot of accountability.
Jul 9, 8:05 PM
Paula (Guest): they remind us of our faith and God’s promises
l 9, 8:05 PM
Paula (Guest): they give us strength and hope
Jul 9, 8:05 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): I thanks to Jesus give me such a good spiritual leader I think it is Jesus want them to be my spiritual leader and lead to his love
Jul 9, 8:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I wear a scapular and of course, profession cross
Jul 9, 8:06 PM
Paula (Guest): i have wore a scapular since I was five years old
Jul 9, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): You also wear a habit. Which is the most powerful one I find
Jul 9, 8:06 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes !!
Jul 9, 8:06 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): I know sr Anna osb when she is 86 but now she is 94 year old
l 9, 8:06 PM
Simone (Guest): Wow, Paula. What made you choose a scapular when you were 5?
Jul 9, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): I did not know that children were allowed to do this
ul 9, 8:07 PM
Paula (Guest): my grandma put it on me
Jul 9, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): bless her beautiful heart
ul 9, 8:07 PM
Simone (Guest): That’s something I can see myself doing one day with my grandchild. Which is not even existing yet by the way
Jul 9, 8:07 PM
Paula (Guest): your habit..is blessed right Mother?
Jul 9, 8:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes
l 9, 8:08 PMPaula (Guest): the Oblates told me that their clothes were as well
9, 8:09 PM
Simone (Guest): I always found it a little bit strange that the Visitation order does not have a crucifix as their profession cross. I mean there is beautiful symbolism on it – but I always wondered why not a crucifix. Do you know why St. Francis chose that Sr. Susan?
Jul 9, 8:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Because we are on the cross united to Jesus
9, 8:10 PM
Simone (Guest): can you explain more to that please Sr. Susan?
Jul 9, 8:10 PM
Paula (Guest): that’s the same as the Carmelites
Jul 9, 8:10 PMSrSusan (Guest): we were spiritually founded on Mount Calvary and we are united to Jesus passion
, 8:10 PM
Jul 9, 8:11 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Calvary is also the mount of lovers and He is our Love and we are with Him on the cross
ul 9, 8:11 PM
Simone (Guest): that is beautiful Sr. Susan. But wouldn’t that be the very reason to have a crucifix and not just a cross? That’s my point.
Jul 9, 8:12 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): Sr Susan let me tell you sr Anna nubiola is from the convent of benediction and sr Teresa forcades is a Benedictine sisters too they both live in the Benedictine monastery osb.
Jul 9, 8:12 PM
Paula (Guest): we must be willing to suffer with Jesus as if we were on the cross
Jul 9, 8:12 PM
SrSusan (Guest): no because the focus is not on unity then- the union is the point He is in us, hopefully and we are in Him on the cross
8:12 PM
Paula (Guest): wow
Jul 9, 8:13 PM
Simone (Guest): OK.. I think I start to understand.
Jul 9, 8:13 PM
SrSusan (Guest): also it resembles somehow St Francis pectoral cross
Jul 9, 8:13 PM
Paula (Guest): like the gospel yoked to Him
ul 9, 8:13 PMSrSusan (Guest): we receive a crucifix on our profession to place in our rooms
9, 8:14 PM
Simone (Guest): sorry, but what is a pectoral cross?
Jul 9, 8:14 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Bishops cross
Jul 9, 8:14 PM
Simone (Guest): oh I see.. Thanks for explaining
ul 9, 8:14 PMPaula (Guest): sort of like the bishop’s emblem
Jul 9, 8:15 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q What does it mean for our hearts to belong to Jesus?
Jul 9, 8:15 PM
Paula (Guest): they have a specific one
Jul 9, 8:15 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Ruth
ul 9, 8:15 PM
Paula (Guest): we will do anything for Him
Jul 9, 8:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): I’ve. been just a viewer today. Fatigue overwhelming. But I think I follow. I had a dream something like that . . .
Jul 9, 8:16 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Mary
Jul 9, 8:16 PM
Paula (Guest): even die for Him
9, 8:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q What does it mean for our hearts to belong to Jesus?
Jul 9, 8:17 PM
Paula (Guest): It’s good to just listen sometimes too
Jul 9, 8:17 PM
Hollo Sydney fox (Guest): I put cross in the top of my bedroom
Jul 9, 8:17 PM
Mary (Guest): United thru our Baptism..one with Christ
Jul 9, 8:17 PM
Simone (Guest): As for the question – the heart is the seat of our will. memory and mind – all these faculties are under His reign..
ul 9, 8:18 PMPaula (Guest): be willing to die for Him if needed…to love Him so
ul 9, 8:18 PMSimone (Guest): I do not belong to myself anymore – I am His
l 9, 8:19 PMMary (Guest): My daily prayer is the abandonment of mind, body & soul to Divine Wil
, 8:20 PM
Mary (Guest): Will..it keeps me focused thru the day..
Jul 9, 8:20 PM
Paula (Guest): how does that prayer go
, 8:21 PMSimone (Guest): I don’t know the specific prayer from Mary – but I do the prayer of direction of intention for the day. that covers it in a way too
9, 8:23 PMSimone (Guest): back to the question. it also means, that I want my will to merge with HIS will and my desires only when they are also His desires.
Jul 9, 8:24 PMSrSusan (Guest): Jesus want sall our love and we want His to be first and foremost
8:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Jesus want sall our love and we want His to be first and foremost
Jul 9, 8:25 PM
Paula (Guest): like the Treatise on the Love of God….God loves us and wants us to love Him totally
Jul 9, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes
8:26 PM
Mary (Guest): Just looked it up..it is ‘The Surrender Novena’ given by Jesus to fr. Dolindo Ruotolo..at the end of each day’s short prayer, you say “O Jesus, I surrender myself to you, take care of everything:\ (10x)
Jul 9, 8:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes I know that prayer
ul 9, 8:27 PMPaula (Guest): oh yes…I got that prayer…wonderfully
ul 9, 8:27 PM
Mary (Guest): quite popular in my parish here in Philly & powerful
Jul 9, 8:27 PM
Paula (Guest): yep
9, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): How do you pray this Novena? Just this one line – 10 times?
Jul 9, 8:28 PM
Simone (Guest): or over 9 days then?
ul 9, 8:28 PMPaula (Guest): yes…but there is also a little intro for each day
l 9, 8:29 PMPaula (Guest): helps you think about how to surrender to Jesus
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SrSusan (Guest): Beautiful! I have to leave now but continue if you want Many blessings to all!
Jul 9, 8:30 PM
Simone (Guest): there is also a Salesian prayer. that goes through all the Surrender parts. Cannot think of it right now though,, sorry