What does it mean to know someone well?Why does St. Francis say it takes only a year to achieve a mediocre life, but many years for perfection?What does it mean to “call down God’s grace” upon someone? Do we have power over God?Discuss this line: “This country is my home according to my natural birth; according to my spiritual birth, my home is the Church.”If God draws us to himself, why did He establish a Church that is limited in scope by geography and human willpower? If progress in the spiritual life is is slow, how can we be sure that we are even progressing after a year, or five years, or longer? Is it important for us to gauge this?
Dec 9, 7:22 AM
SrSusan (Guest): newsletter for chat https://visitationspirit.org/2023/12/newsletter-for-sunday-chat-dec-10/
Newsletter for Sunday chat Dec 10 | Visitation Spirit
Dec 9, 7:23 AM
SrSusan (Guest): Sun 730pm est Dec 10
Dec 10, 4:25 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The person addressed in the newsletter was of another Order and she was an abbess. She wanted to switch to Visitation but it did not happen
Dec 10, 4:25 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Later she became a Jansenist
10, 4:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q 1 What does it mean to know someone well?
Dec 10, 4:27 PM
Bettychao (Guest): So i exercise that help
Dec 10, 4:27 PMPaula (Guest): you know how they think/react
Dec 10, 4:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes one has insight into their heart and sometimes, soul
Dec 10, 4:28 PM
Paula (Guest): can almost predict their response
Dec 10, 4:29 PM
Paula (Guest): you know their goodness as well as their shortcomings
Dec 10, 4:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yet behavior is not the whole story and that is why we can still be surprised by someone we know well
Dec 10, 4:30 PMSrSusan (Guest): sometimes in the past I thought I knew someone and then there was a side I had not known
10, 4:31 PMSrSusan (Guest): q 2 Why does St. Francis say it takes only a year to achieve a mediocre life, but many years for perfection?
Dec 10, 4:33 PMSrSusan (Guest): I am not sure why it takes a year to achieve a mediocre life- I would think one starts out that way
ec 10, 4:33 PMNicole (Guest): He likens it to a palm tree taking 100 years to be fruitful.
Dec 10, 4:34 PMPaula (Guest): Because it takes a while in anything you do to achieve consistancy
Dec 10, 4:35 PM
Paula (Guest): To master a craft so to speak…like being a great cake designer
Dec 10, 4:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): even mediocrity?
Dec 10, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I guess if one never masters the craft- that’s mediocrity
Dec 10, 4:36 PM
Paula (Guest): or a great musician takes lot’s of practice and consistancy
ec 10, 4:37 PMBettychao (Guest): Without faith you have no freedom
ec 10, 4:38 PMSrSusan (Guest): q What does it mean to “call down God’s grace” upon someone?
Dec 10, 4:38 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Does it mean to pray for them?
Dec 10, 4:38 PM
Paula (Guest): to pray for them…especially their conversion or wellbeing of their salvation soul
Dec 10, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes that is probably true
Dec 10, 4:39 PMLisa C (Guest): Asking God to make them see Him and what He offers?
Dec 10, 4:39 PMNicole (Guest): I would also think it is to pray for God to bestow his graces upon them.
Dec 10, 4:40 PM
SrSusan (Guest): prayer is most effective
Dec 10, 4:40 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I think there are many people who prefer mediocrity
Dec 10, 4:40 PMSrSusan (Guest): lack of energy or comitment
Dec 10, 4:41 PMLisa C (Guest): They are annoyed by a person’s attention to detail or feel threatened by someone else wanting to do the best they can
Dec 10, 4:41 PMPaula (Guest): or maybe not their talent that they are inclined to
Dec 10, 4:42 PMNicole (Guest): Yes, many people will literally say they prefer mediocrity.
Dec 10, 4:42 PMLisa C (Guest): Some people in authority want people to just follow a dull path and not try to make things better
ec 10, 4:43 PMPaula (Guest): and where would we be…no advancements
ec 10, 4:43 PMBettychao (Guest): What is the dull path what is that mean
ec 10, 4:44 PM
Nicole (Guest): It is usually out of fear. People don’t want backlash or responsibility for things going wrong.
Dec 10, 4:44 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Bettychao, it is not trying hard to do a good job
Dec 10, 4:44 PM
Paula (Guest): not striving to achieve/master anything
ec 10, 4:45 PM
Nicole (Guest): Being apathetic.
Dec 10, 4:45 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Accepting limitations in a system and not trying to make anything work better for everyone
ec 10, 4:46 PM
Paula (Guest): Sometimes you can’t make everything work better for everyone
Dec 10, 4:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Discuss this line: “This country is my home according to my natural birth; according to my spiritual birth, my home is the Church.”If God draws us to himself, why did He establish a Church that is limited in scope by geography and human willpower?
Dec 10, 4:46 PM
Paula (Guest): that would be perfection
ec 10, 4:47 PM
Paula (Guest): which is not on this earth
Dec 10, 4:47 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Like not become good Christan beliver and love anything this world so much
ec 10, 4:48 PMSrSusan (Guest): It is similar to the idea that our homeland is heaven and we are pilgrims on this earth
Dec 10, 4:49 PMNicole (Guest): I think the church is someplace to return to and where people can congregate and of course get there sacraments but people can draw closer to the Lord on their own in everything they do.
ec 10, 4:50 PMPaula (Guest): our homeland is our citizenship; the baptism is our citizenship in the church
Dec 10, 4:50 PMLisa C (Guest): Limited church??? Not sure it is limited. With Faith it has no limits….maybe He wants us to know that we need Him to go beyond what appears to be limitations in the Church.
Dec 10, 4:51 PM
Lisa C (Guest): God did make the world perfect, but sin changed it.
Dec 10, 4:51 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Now we have to go back to God.
Dec 10, 4:52 PMPaula (Guest): Well, reason being Pope Francis wants to eliminate Confession…so I read/heard somewhere
10, 4:54 PMPaula (Guest): God established a limited church for us to seek for Him …just as the Wise Men…distance makes the heart grow fonder….reaching/grasping for something
Dec 10, 4:58 PMSrSusan (Guest): q If progress in the spiritual life is is slow, how can we be sure that we are even progressing after a year, or five years, or longer? I
Dec 10, 4:58 PMLisa C (Guest): Mother, I think we can feel whether or not we are progressing.
Dec 10, 4:59 PM
Paula (Guest): by confessions…and how they are going…
Dec 10, 4:59 PM
Lisa C (Guest): This is the conference. It was live yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdUofsdb7m4
ec 10, 5:00 PM
Simone (Guest): Just jumping in on that question – but process is for me when I am able to love deeper with less self interest
Dec 10, 5:00 PM
SrSusan (Guest): thank you
Dec 10, 5:00 PM
Paula (Guest): are we amending our life…do we constantly need to confess
Dec 10, 5:00 PM
Simone (Guest): Progress – not process
Dec 10, 5:00 PM
Nicole (Guest): This is where I think you have to put all faith in the Lord and keep doing what he says because Saints have said the Lord took all knowledge of their progress away from them to keep them humble.
Dec 10, 5:01 PMLisa C (Guest): I think we become more aware of sin the more we pray
Dec 10, 5:02 PM
Lisa C (Guest): The rosary is the most powerful
Dec 10, 5:02 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The director can sometimes gauge our progress and we can feel when we are slipping
Dec 10, 5:00 PM
Dec 10, 5:02 PM
Paula (Guest): I think that the more we progress …the more we are at peace with God and others and ourselves
Dec 10, 5:02 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I think we can feel our conscience more
Dec 10, 5:04 PMPaula (Guest): also doing daily self-examinations of conscience …like St. Ignatius taught
Dec 10, 5:04 PM
Bettychao (Guest): When you preach jesus you must say God love you he will bring you peace and pray for them and let them know about jesus as savier
Dec 10, 5:04 PM
SrSusan (Guest): monastic life encourages this
Dec 10, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Is Confession available in your parishes readily or regularly
Dec 10, 5:05 PM
Lisa C (Guest): yes
Dec 10, 5:06 PM
Paula (Guest): yes
ec 10, 5:06 PMPaula (Guest): the best churches have lot’s of confession times and adoration times
ec 10, 5:07 PM
Lisa C (Guest): One thing that upset me was that when my Father died I called the parish to have a priest come to give him Anointing of the Sick and it was the middle of the night and no one answered!!!! I had to call the Priest on call for the Hospital
Dec 10, 5:08 PM
Lisa C (Guest): My Father was at home
Dec 10, 5:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): oh my
ec 10, 5:08 PM
Lisa C (Guest): But the Priest at the Hospital was willing to go
Dec 10, 5:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): beautiful
0, 5:09 PM
Paula (Guest): Priest are people too and maybe the Priest was ill too
Dec 10, 5:09 PM
Simone (Guest): I have never heard that a priest has to be on duty for his parishioners at home and leave the phone on in the night
Dec 10, 5:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I remember a priest who rushed to the hospital and then got a parking ticket
Dec 10, 5:09 PM
Simone (Guest): I am so glad the priest on call was able to come.
Dec 10, 5:09 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Simone, how do you have Anointing if he is not on call
ec 10, 5:10 PM
Simone (Guest): In our parish the family members arrange a meeting for anointing during the day
Dec 10, 5:10 PM
Lisa C (Guest): That was so scary, I was driving from Maryland saying rosaries and trying to get a Priest after midnight
Dec 10, 5:10 PM
Nicole (Guest): I gotta run to adoration. See you next week!
, 5:12 PM
Paula (Guest): Well, what about people who die and don’t get anointed?
Dec 10, 5:12 PM
Simone (Guest): Al
Dec 10, 5:12 PM
Lisa C (Guest): The Church is not open, they have confession at a particular time every week
ec 10, 5:13 PM
Lisa C (Guest): At another Church they have a code on the door and you can go in
Dec 10, 5:13 PM
Lisa C (Guest): for adoration any time
ec 10, 5:13 PMLisa C (Guest): The tabernacle has a window and you are allowed to open it and close it when you leave
Dec 10, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Paula, not everyone can get annointed
Dec 10, 5:14 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I have to leave early tonight. See you next week and be blessed!
Dec 10, 5:26 PM
Simone (Guest): It is usually family members who call. Right?
Dec 10, 5:27 PM
Lisa C (Guest): If the person has just died or is in danger of dying you call a priest. It does not have to be a family member
Dec 10, 5:27 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Whomever is there and knows he is Catholic can call
Dec 10, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): Usually it is a nurse in the hospital or a family member
Dec 10, 5:28 PM
Lisa C (Guest): If you are in a hospital it says your religion on the chart and when a Catholic dies a doc or a nurse or anyone can call
Dec 10, 5:28 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Anyone call call a priest
Dec 10, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): One of the promises of the Sacred Heard when you do the 9 first Friday Communions is that you will have the sacraments upon your death
Dec 10, 5:29 PM
Paula (Guest): if there is one available…I don’t know if you know….there is a shortage of Priests
Dec 10, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): if it is not important why did Jesus promise it to St. Margaret Mary
Dec 10, 5:30 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Read the promises of the Sacred Heart
Dec 10, 5:30 PM
Lisa C (Guest): He may use you to call a Priest for others
Dec 10, 5:30 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Good night all
Dec 10, 5:30 PM
Lisa C (Guest): God bless
Dec 10, 5:31 PM
Simone (Guest): Simone
Dec 10, 5:32 PM
Simone (Guest): My answer could not be typed for some reason
Dec 10, 5:33 PM
Simone (Guest): I pray that we extend grace this week – me included – to those who have failed us or we perceive it as a failure – trusting more and more in God that he watches over his faithful
Dec 10, 5:34 PM
Simone (Guest): Good night Paula
Dec 10, 5:35 PM
Paula (Guest): We need to pray for enlightenment and the Holy Spirit
Dec 10, 5:35 PM
Paula (Guest): Good night Simone
