Fasting, abstinence, and self-denial allow us to delay the pleasure of the goods God has given in this life. How can having more control over our desires for them be a co-redemptive remedy against the effects of the Fall?Does the grace we have as Christians allow us to do things that would not be possible without this grace? If so, what are they?Even while we try to master our passions with reason, why is it important to recognize who our True Master (God) is?Why was it so important for God to become incarn
incarnate? Couldn’t He have achieved these goals without doing so?The Greek stoic philosophers also saw the benefits of self-denial to build character. How is their asceticism different from that of a Christian?What does it mean to do the will of God?
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n 7, 4:31 PMSrSusan (Guest): Q1 Fasting, abstinence, and self-denial allow us to delay the pleasure of the goods God has given in this life. How can having more control over our desires for them be a co-redemptive remedy against the effects of the Fall
n 7, 4:31 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Sister home is in the Philippines. My Dad passed away peacefully and allowed us to becaround him to pray and say our last goodbye. He had a holy and happy death. Truly a grace from God.
an 7, 4:58 PMLisa C (Guest): To fulfill the covenant with God the Father
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Lisa C (Guest): We broke our end and justice required a sacrifice
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): There needs to be a perfect sacrifice to redeem us all from our sins.
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Only a perfect sacrifice would do
Jan 7, 4:33 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Fasting helps us to temper our desires especially of the flesh.
Jan 7, 4:33 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello sister Susan and Rhodylyn!
Jan 7, 4:34 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): The soul can only hunger for God and not for earthly materials.
an 7, 4:34 PM
Ruth (Guest): So sorry you lost your Dad, but glad that it was a peaceful death, and that you could be there.
Jan 7, 4:34 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Thank you Ruth.
:35 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): When we suffer we are in union with God.
Jan 7, 4:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I imagine the effects of the Fall are tempereed not only in ourselves but in others by our sacrifices
Jan 7, 4:35 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): They are redemptive when offered freely.
an 7, 4:36 PMRuth (Guest): Exactly.
Jan 5, 6:49 AM
Jan 7, 4:37 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Does the grace we have as Christians allow us to do things that would not be possible without this grace? If so, what are they
an 7, 4:37 PMRhodylyn (Guest): I do agree Sister. In my recent experience, I felt so peacefully all throughout the whole wake and funeral. No anxiety. Everything willfully offered for the conversion of sinners.
an 7, 4:38 PMRhodylyn (Guest): Without grace, we cannot even lift our fingers.
an 7, 4:38 PMRhodylyn (Guest): Everything is grace from God.
7, 4:39 PM
Ruth (Guest): Even suffering or sacrifices not freely chosen but freely accepted and offered in union with Christ’s redemptive suffering can do good for others.
Jan 7, 4:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): even if people dont know or acknowledge this it is effective
Jan 7, 4:39 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): To love is a grace from God, to suffer is a grace from God.
Jan 7, 4:40 PM
Ruth (Guest): Amen, Rhodylyn!
Jan 7, 4:40 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): God is able to use everything we have when we are in union with Him.
n 7, 4:41 PMRuth (Guest): To BE is a grace from God!
Jan 7, 4:41 PMRhodylyn (Guest): Yes ,Ruth. I agree.
an 7, 4:42 PMSrSusan (Guest): to think about forgiveness for ex that takes a grace from God and perhaps why there is so much unforgiveness because people reject the grace
Jan 7, 4:42 PM
Ruth (Guest): I never know how to reply when asked simple question how are you? By I think really cares.
Jan 7, 4:43 PM
Ruth (Guest): by someone who I think
an 7, 4:45 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Yes Sister. Many find it difficult to forgive because they do not ask for forgiveness.
Jan 7, 4:45 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): They reject the grace due to pride.
an 7, 4:46 PM
Ruth (Guest): Maybe part of the difficulty with forgiveness is not understanding that it does not imply, acceptance or approval of bad behavior or disrespect. No one deserves abuse.
Jan 7, 4:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yet even in rejection they stay living so grace is operative somehow due to God’s love
an 7, 4:47 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Yes, Ruth. They probably equate forgiveness to condoning the action.
Jan 7, 4:48 PM
Ruth (Guest): That is what I was trying to say.
Jan 7, 4:49 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Sister, many continue for many years rejecting the Grace. God’s Love and Mercy will pursue them till the hour of their death.
Jan 7, 4:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Lisa
an 7, 4:49 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Even while we try to master our passions with reason, why is it important to recognize who our True Master (God) is?
Jan 7, 4:50 PMRhodylyn (Guest): To recognize Him is to follow His example. To live like our Master.
an 7, 4:51 PMRhodylyn (Guest): No servant will be greater than His Master.
an 7, 4:51 PMRuth (Guest): Yes God’s love is perfect and complete and it does not fail even when people turn away from it, but complete forgiveness does require repentance.
n 7, 4:53 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Giving all our struggles to the Lord helps us in overcoming them
Jan 7, 4:53 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Yes, many times the one we have forgiven will not even recognize their fault. On the cross, Jesus said forgive them for they do not know what they do.
Jan 7, 4:54 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Yes Sister and He gives us enough strength to bear them all.
Jan 7, 4:53 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Yes, many times the one we have forgiven will not even recognize their fault. On the cross, Jesus said forgive them for they do not know what they do.
Jan 7, 4:54 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Yes Sister and He gives us enough strength to bear them all.
Jan 7, 4:57 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Why was it so important for God to become incarn
incarnate?
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Lisa C (Guest): To fulfill the covenant with God the Father
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Lisa C (Guest): We broke our end and justice required a sacrifice
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): There needs to be a perfect sacrifice to redeem us all from our sins.
Jan 7, 4:58 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Only a perfect sacrifice would do
Jan 7, 4:59 PM
Lisa C (Guest): God has to have justice
an 7, 5:00 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Even though we have salvation, justice demands punishment
Jan 7, 5:00 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): God truly loves us that He believes we are worth the Life, Passion and Death of His Son.
Jan 7, 5:01 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I just read a great book about purgatory which explains how souls need us to help them….Hungry Souls: Supernatural Visits, Messages, and Warnings from Purgatory
by Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg
Jan 7, 5:01 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Jesus has opened the gates of Heaven for us.
an 7, 5:02 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Tan Books published it
Jan 7, 5:02 PM
SrSusan (Guest): never heard of this book- sounds deep
an 7, 5:02 PM
Lisa C (Guest): It explains how souls shrink from God when they see Him until they are purified
Jan 7, 5:03 PM
Lisa C (Guest): They know they need to go
Jan 7, 5:03 PMLisa C (Guest): The book is based upon things seen by Saints and holy people who pray for souls
Jan 7, 5:03 PMLisa C (Guest): It is one of the most amazing books I have ever read
an 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Yes
Jan 7, 5:06 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): In the Diary of St Faustina, she also wrote that the souls in purgatory really suffers and how the prayers can help them.
Jan 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Padre Pio, St. Faustina, Catherine of Sienna
n 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Padre Pio, St. Faustina, Catherine of Sienna
Jan 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): St. Theresa of Avilla
Jan 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): a bunch
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): great saints
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
Lisa C (Guest): some people not canonized
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
Lisa C (Guest): but you can tell they are Saints
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): any Visitandines
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
Lisa C (Guest): St. MM
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
Lisa C (Guest): She is mentioned
Jan 7, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): oh yes
Jan 7, 5:08 PM
Lisa C (Guest): How the Sacred Heart is linked to the Immaculate Heart and mercy
an 7, 5:08 PMLisa C (Guest): Blessed Mother is very active in obtaining mercy for souls
n 7, 5:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q The Greek stoic philosophers also saw the benefits of self-denial to build character. How is their asceticism different from that of a Christian
an 7, 5:10 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): I’ve prayed through the intercession of Mother Mary for a happy and holy death for my Dad. My prayer was answered.
Jan 7, 5:10 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Christians sacrifice for souls….Greeks were just doing it for themselves
Jan 7, 5:10 PMLisa C (Guest): Rhodylyn same with St. Joseph for my Father
Jan 7, 5:11 PMLisa C (Guest): The book also says the Jews and the ancient Greeks had equivalents of purgatory
n 7, 5:12 PM
SrSusan (Guest): the boook of Maccabees sort of indicates this right
Jan 7, 5:13 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Yes
Jan 7, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I am not sure the Jews recognize Maccabees I and II
Jan 7, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): They are in the apocrapha
Jan 7, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): not sure I spelled that right
n 7, 5:15 PMRhodylyn (Guest): Yes, the Greeks are doing it for self development.
an 7, 5:19 PMLisa C (Guest): To do what God put us here to do. But then there is the permissive will of God that allows us to do things other than what He wants, but God can still make use of them.
an 7, 5:20 PMRhodylyn (Guest): To Love is to do the Will of God.
Jan 7, 5:21 PMRhodylyn (Guest): When we love we are doing His Will. We discern base on love.
an 7, 5:22 PM
Winnie (Guest): How would one know the will of God?
Jan 7, 5:23 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): We all follow His footsteps. They’re bloodstained because of Love.
Jan 7, 5:24 PMRhodylyn (Guest): We will know His will when we are in the state of grace first.
an 7, 5:24 PM
Winnie (Guest): What is meant by the state of grace?
Jan 7, 5:24 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): His Spirit will then have room in our soul to help us discern
an 7, 5:25 PM
Lisa C (Guest): state of Grace is being without mortal sin
Jan 7, 5:25 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): More room, clearer discernment. To have more room, deep Repentance is needed.
Jan 7, 5:26 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): So frequent confession and communion
Jan 7, 5:26 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): The sacraments are the key to discern the Will of God.
n 7, 5:27 PM
Winnie (Guest): It’s hard to have a regular confessor
Jan 7, 5:28 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): In the Intoduction to the Devout Life, st Francis De Sales recommends a General Confession is a must to live a devout life.
Jan 7, 5:28 PM
Winnie (Guest): Priests are too busy nowadays
Jan 7, 5:29 PM
Rhodylyn (Guest): Jesus uses every priest to speak on his behalf.