What does it mean that the love of God is known by obedience? Are we supposed to blindly do whatever anyone tells us to do?How do we “do nothing without love”?Why is it important to try to emulate a particular Saint, and perhaps focus on just one at a time in the aid of growing in virtue and holiness?What makes a vow different from a promise?How is being a “relative” in the bloodline of Christ’s Church different than having merely biological blood relations with a relative?By worldly standards, King
St. Louis IX was in many ways a failure. He made two crusades overseas, lost his army each time, and died of the plague away from his home. How are we called to imitate his faithfulness?
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Mar 10, 4:31 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Carol!
: q What does it mean that the love of God is known by obedience?
Mar 10, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Happy birthday pretty soon!
Mar 10, 4:36 PM
Paula (Guest): If you love someone you do as they ask
Mar 10, 4:36 PM
Carol (Guest): When we obey we are His children and sre in relationship with Him
Mar 10, 4:37 PM
Paula (Guest): you want to please them
ar 10, 4:37 PMBettychao (Guest): Merciful Jesus shine upon sinners
ar 10, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): God’s will is more important to me than my will… that’s how we show our love. By putting God’s will before ours
Mar 10, 4:38 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hi everyone. Happy Birthday Betty!
Mar 10, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): cant imagine love if one is being disobedient
Mar 10, 4:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): even if it is not obedience when we love we anticipate the others needs and wants
Mar 10, 4:39 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Good Evening and God bless
Mar 10, 4:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Anna-Marie
Mar 10, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): I think there are different ways -or levels – of disobedience
Mar 10, 4:39 PM
Paula (Guest): An early Happy Birthday Betty
ar 10, 4:40 PMSrSusan (Guest): Love is giving, not self-serving
ar 10, 4:40 PMSimone (Guest): yes – so true.. and we give away our will in a way
Mar 10, 4:41 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Are we supposed to blindly do whatever anyone tells us to do?
Mar 10, 4:41 PMCarol (Guest): No. Unless its Jesus
ar 10, 4:42 PM
Simone (Guest): I guess in the ultimate form of humility it is possible.. Sounds strange even as I write that down
Mar 10, 4:42 PM
Paula (Guest): you hit the nail right on the head Carol
Mar 10, 4:42 PMAnna-Marie (Guest): No yet obedience to our vocation.. being in the will of God.. in humility not pride if good for our souls.. inspires more virtue
ar 10, 4:43 PM
Carol (Guest): Its a little different in religious life where we do,take the vow of obedience
Mar 10, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): right.. I forgot about that
Mar 10, 4:44 PM
Carol (Guest): There we presume the abbess is discerning Gods will along with us and has more experience doing so
Mar 10, 4:44 PM
Ruth (Guest): I was thinking that, too.
Mar 10, 4:45 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan are we supposed to blindly do whatever anyone tell us to do carol say no unless Jesus what is that mean can you tell me
Mar 10, 4:45 PM
SrSusan (Guest): at one time religious did have blind obedience but in some cases now dialogue is permitted if there is an obstacle or unknown factor
Mar 10, 4:45 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): We are obedient ti the magisterium of the church
Mar 10, 4:45 PM
SrSusan (Guest): with the Lord yes but sometimes with a person there may need clarification, Betty
Mar 10, 4:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How do we “do nothing without love”?
Mar 10, 4:46 PM
Carol (Guest): I was pretty quick to speak Betty. There is a difference between my abbess or spiritual,director and just any person out in the world who might actually be ignorant of my good
ar 10, 4:46 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): There have been many saints who were chastised wrongly yet persevered and the fruit showed
Mar 10, 4:47 PMCarol (Guest): We must discern always
ar 10, 4:47 PMAnna-Marie (Guest): Purity of intention .. our motives .. must be out of love.. God knows our heart
ar 10, 4:49 PM
Ruth (Guest): BUT it is so important that the person in authority — especially over one who has vowed obedience — be loving and at least trying to discern the Will of God. Otherwise an abusive relationship can develop which is not good for EITHER the one vowed to obedience nor the one who wields authority wrecklessly for her own convenience.
Mar 10, 4:49 PM
Ruth (Guest): Or worse.
ar 10, 4:49 PM
Simone (Guest): I think a lot of harm has be done in this regards in the past. Things are getting better now I think.
Mar 10, 4:49 PM
Carol (Guest): That’s what I’m trying to say Ruth. Ive been there
Mar 10, 4:50 PM
Simone (Guest): 
Mar 10, 4:50 PMSrSusan (Guest): all in the leadership skills, or lack of
ar 10, 4:51 PM
SrSusan (Guest): repeating q q How do we “do nothing without love”?
Mar 10, 4:52 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): To imitate Christ is to love others and act out of love
Mar 10, 4:52 PM
Ruth (Guest): Carol, I remember, and I am so glad and grateful that our prayers have been answered.
Mar 10, 4:52 PM
Simone (Guest): I guess – intentionality is a factor..
Mar 10, 4:52 PM
Simone (Guest): and to be self giving – not self – serving as it was said earlier
Mar 10, 4:53 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think that q answers the leadership issue, if leaders would do all with love obedience would not be problematic
Mar 10, 4:53 PM
Carol (Guest): You are right Sr Susan
Mar 10, 4:53 PM
Simone (Guest): well Sr. Susan.. there are some great leaders- with great love – but some sheep can be pretty stubborn
Mar 10, 4:53 PM
Simone (Guest): I guess.. over time – continued love – will soften stubborness
Mar 10, 4:54 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): I think of the humility prayer… and it helps to be obedient even when it does not seem just
Mar 10, 4:54 PM
Carol (Guest): ☺
Mar 10, 4:54 PM
Simone (Guest): Is that smiley for me Carol?
Mar 10, 4:54 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes its for Simone
Mar 10, 4:54 PM
Simone (Guest): thought so
ar 10, 4:55 PM
Simone (Guest): not to exclude anyone.. here.. we are doing the Litany of humility over Lent.. that’s why Carol was smiling at me
Mar 10, 4:55 PM
Ruth (Guest): Indeed! Carol.
Mar 10, 4:55 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): 😊
Mar 10, 4:56 PM
Ruth (Guest): Refers to the long journey.
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Mar 10, 4:53 PM
Carol (Guest): Thanks Ruth, its been a long journey
Mar 10, 4:54 PMSimone (Guest): thought so
Mar 10, 4:56 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, Simone has created a lovely course. We should all be taking it
Mar 10, 4:56 PM
SrSusan (Guest): oh where is it
r 10, 4:56 PM
SrSusan (Guest): oh where is it
Mar 10, 4:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): Nice Simone & Carol.
Mar 10, 4:57 PM
Simone (Guest): it is online Sr. Susan.. a short video for each line of the Litany every day during Lent
Mar 10, 4:58 PM
Carol (Guest): And some of us are behind and might finish by the end of Lent…2025
Mar 10, 4:58 PM
Simone (Guest): LOLL
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
SrSusan (Guest): that sounds interesting, and helpful!
ar 10, 4:59 PM
Bettychao (Guest): It is pray to merciful jesus
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
Simone (Guest): If anyone here wants the videos, I can send them. Please contact me at s.k.robinson@icloud.com
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
Simone (Guest): But please do not share with others. Thank you
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ok
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Why is it important to try to emulate a particular Saint, and perhaps focus on just one at a time in the aid of growing in virtue and holiness?
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Thank you
ar 10, 4:59 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Why is it important to try to emulate a particular Saint, and perhaps focus on just one at a time in the aid of growing in virtue and holiness?
Mar 10, 4:59 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Thank you
Mar 10, 5:00 PM
Simone (Guest): because different Saints have different Charisms..
Mar 10, 5:00 PM
Carol (Guest): We emulate the Saint who,has shared a particular struggle like us
Mar 10, 5:01 PM
Simone (Guest): yes
Mar 10, 5:01 PM
Ruth (Guest): I checked your FB page a few times and messages, but it seemed you were not active for some time, Simone. All the while you were very engaged. Maybe I missed something. Hundreds of e-mails daily makes it so that miss some.
Mar 10, 5:01 PM
Simone (Guest): I thought you were not interested Ruth.. I message you later on fb, OK?
Mar 10, 5:02 PMSrSusan (Guest): If there is a saint who excelled in a virtue that I lack it is good to pray to that saint to intercede for me to obtain help in growing in that virtue
Mar 10, 5:03 PM
Simone (Guest): thanks for that reminder Sr. Susan. I needed that today
Mar 10, 5:03 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Me too… thank you Sister Susan
Mar 10, 5:04 PMSrSusan (Guest): You are welcome- I need my own advice too!
Mar 10, 5:04 PMSimone (Guest): sweet <3
ar 10, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): Can I ask something quickly? It’s true, right that St. Jane de Chantal is the Saint for forgotten people
Mar 10, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): ?
Mar 10, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): never heard that Simone
Mar 10, 5:06 PM
Simone (Guest): hmm. I read that somewhere for sure..
Mar 10, 5:06 PM
SrSusan (Guest): could be
Mar 10, 5:06 PM
Simone (Guest): but only once I think
Mar 10, 5:06 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thank you! I am doing The Bible in a Year. Daily readings with Fr. I,e Schmitz and Jeff —-. With my former Pastor we did an e. E
Mar 10, 5:06 PM
SrSusan (Guest): there are lists of what saints are patrons of- that could be one of hers
, 5:06 PM
Simone (Guest): Patron Saint of Forgotten People and Widows – it says on GOOGLE
Mar 10, 5:07 PM
Ruth (Guest): Excellent abbreviated version over the. Purse of a couple of months once per week.
Mar 10, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): definitely widows I heard, well i learn something new alot of the time and here is another new item for me
ar 10, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): definitely widows I heard, well i learn something new alot of the time and here is another new item for me
Mar 10, 5:08 PM
Simone (Guest): to be honest.. I would trust you more than Google Sister Susan
Mar 10, 5:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I am trying to think why that would be her patronage, maybe because St jane herself is not well known?
ar 10, 5:09 PMSrSusan (Guest): q What makes a vow different from a promise?
Mar 10, 5:09 PM
Mar 10, 5:09 PM
Simone (Guest): I think.. it comes from the widows.. She was a widow.. and widows can easily be forgotten.. that’s what I thought
Mar 10, 5:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): good assumption
Mar 10, 5:10 PMCarol (Guest): Leonie Martin is a great model for us. She too longed tomservevJesus in monastic life and was turned down many times
ar 10, 5:10 PM
Simone (Guest): I think the consequences are different
Mar 10, 5:10 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Leonie is being studied now at Rome for the next step in the process
ar 10, 5:11 PMSimone (Guest): interesting.. I did not know that
Mar 10, 5:12 PMSimone (Guest): what is the consequence when a vow is “broken” Sister?
Mar 10, 5:12 PM
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Anna-Marie (Guest): Is a vow a deeper commitment?
Mar 10, 5:12 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan when I saw the spainish news the a Catholic nun broken vows and do kinnaped babies
Mar 10, 5:12 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Superior or hierarchy get involved. never had to handle that myself yet
Mar 10, 5:13 PM
Simone (Guest): must be..because I did a promise at my consecration and it is not for religious life
Mar 10, 5:13 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Betty that is terrible
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Vow is canonically deeper but as for one’s heart- maybe not so different
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
SrSusan (Guest): depends on the person
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
Simone (Guest): I am so so glad you said that Sister. and how you worded it
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
Ruth (Guest): Tell me about the consecration, Simone.
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
Bettychao (Guest): We got to pray for her Saul and make her Saul repent to jesus
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
SrSusan (Guest): how serious the promise is, but the vow has canonical consequences
Mar 10, 5:14 PM
Simone (Guest): would love to tell you Ruth.. but maybe in a phone chat soon?
Mar 10, 5:15 PM
Ruth (Guest): good!
Mar 10, 5:15 PM
Carol (Guest): Ours is canonical
Mar 10, 5:15 PM
Simone (Guest): Carol.. did you have vows?
Mar 10, 5:15 PM
Simone (Guest): I guess so… because you can be called Sister, right?
Mar 10, 5:15 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, poverty chastity and obedience. We are under CDF in Rome ultimately
Mar 10, 5:16 PM
Simone (Guest): sigh.. how lovely
Mar 10, 5:16 PM
Carol (Guest): I can, but I dont insist
Mar 10, 5:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): Cdd?
Mar 10, 5:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): CDF?
Mar 10, 5:16 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Vows are involved in marriage and to break also has legal and social implications especially for the family
Mar 10, 5:16 PM
Simone (Guest): I wrote that down.. but erased it. Thanks for bringing it up Sr. Anna-Marie
Mar 10, 5:17 PM
Ruth (Guest): And Canonical!
Mar 10, 5:17 PM
Simone (Guest): right Ruth
Mar 10, 5:17 PM
Carol (Guest): Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, but it might have had a name change
ar 10, 5:17 PMSrSusan (Guest): not Dicastery for Religious?
Mar 10, 5:18 PM
Ruth (Guest): And a change of Directorship, I believe.
Mar 10, 5:18 PM
Carol (Guest): Im behind I guess
Mar 10, 5:18 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How is being a “relative” in the bloodline of Christ’s Church different than having merely biological blood relations with a relative
Mar 10, 5:18 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes Sister, I think I read about that just recently.
Mar 10, 5:18 PMAnna-Marie (Guest): I need to clarify… I am not a sister but I am a widow
Mar 10, 5:19 PM
Simone (Guest): oh Ok. Thank you Anna-Marie
Mar 10, 5:19 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): St. Frances really speaks to me
Mar 10, 5:19 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): When I read his works
Mar 10, 5:20 PM
Simone (Guest): I so understand you Anna-Marie. I love the “tone of his writings’ and the wisdom he shares
Mar 10, 5:20 PM
SrSusan (Guest): and St Jane was a widow too
ar 10, 5:20 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Yes I read her book in support of St. Frances becoming a saint
Mar 10, 5:21 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. I love this one. I have it in german
ar 10, 5:21 PM
Ruth (Guest): st Jane Frances de Chantel, right?
Mar 10, 5:21 PM
Paula (Guest): being a relative in the bloodline of Christ brings you into the family of the Divine
Mar 10, 5:22 PM
Simone (Guest): well said Paula
ar 10, 5:22 PMSimone (Guest): they are also eternal bonds
ar 10, 5:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): Don’t we all become relatives “in the bloodline of Christ” by Baptism?
Mar 10, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): that was my understanding
Mar 10, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): brothers and sisters
Mar 10, 5:24 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): Are we not all members of the body of Christ
Mar 10, 5:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes we are all one body actually, mystically in Christ
Mar 10, 5:24 PM
Ruth (Guest): And priests and prophets, too. Though not Ordained priests.
Mar 10, 5:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ontologically we are one
10, 5:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): last q ?By worldly standards, King
St. Louis IX was in many ways a failure. He made two crusades overseas, lost his army each time, and died of the plague away from his home. How are we called to imitate his faithfulness?
Mar 10, 5:26 PM
Bettychao (Guest): You too
Mar 10, 5:27 PM
Ruth (Guest): Ontologically? Hmmm . . .
Mar 10, 5:27 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): He laid down his life for his people.. we are called to do the same
Mar 10, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): I was so impressed to read how he personally and physically cared for his people
Mar 10, 5:27 PM
Ruth (Guest): So was I.
Mar 10, 5:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Maybe I used the word incorrectly Ruth
Mar 10, 5:28 PM
Paula (Guest): even thought he seems a failure he did God’s will
Mar 10, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): we are not called to success.. we are called to faithfulness
Mar 10, 5:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): but I think I read it somewhere
Mar 10, 5:28 PM
Paula (Guest): and he carried his cross with love and fidality
Mar 10, 5:29 PM
Ruth (Guest): I’m not sure. I have to think about that.
Mar 10, 5:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ok let me know what you conclude
Mar 10, 5:29 PMAnna-Marie (Guest): It reminds me of so many a time when we see the world through secular lens as opposed to how Hid sees it…
ar 10, 5:29 PM
Anna-Marie (Guest): God
Mar 10, 5:29 PM
Ruth (Guest): Above to Sister. So true, Paula.
Mar 10, 5:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): maybe Ruth it is only mystically
ar 10, 5:30 PM
Ruth (Guest): Amen, Simone.
Mar 10, 5:30 PM
Paula (Guest): it’s how we carry the cross in what we are given
Mar 10, 5:30 PM
Paula (Guest): not in worldly success
Mar 10, 5:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I must depart Have a good 4th week of Lent! God bless!
Mar 10, 5:31 PM
Ruth (Guest): And Faithfulness IS success.
ar 10, 5:31 PM
Simone (Guest): good point Ruth!
Mar 10, 5:31 PM
Paula (Guest): yep
Mar 10, 5:31 PM
Simone (Guest): Faithfulness also often leads to fruitfulness