, 3:02 AM
SrSusan (Guest): How can death save us?Was Jesus punished for our sins? How does atonement work?If Jesus saves us from sin, why do we still struggle so much with sin and brokenness?How do we escape the slavery of sin and of this world?If God could have redeemed us in some other way, why did He choose to allow the means in which his Son died a horrible death?Why did so many saints, both old and new, emphasize the practice of meditating on the suffering and death of Christ? Does this help us? How?How do we embrace the joy that
comes with the Resurrection?
Apr 5, 3:03 AM
SrSusan (Guest): Why did so many saints, both old and new, emphasize the practice of meditating on the suffering and death of Christ? Does this help us? Does it give honor to God? How?
Apr 7, 4:31 PM
Simone (Guest): How can death save us?
Apr 7, 4:31 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Thanks we can start with that
Apr 7, 4:32 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Why Jesus appear to faustina
Apr 7, 4:32 PM
Simone (Guest): Well.. death itself does not save us.. but the death of Jesus does
Apr 7, 4:32 PM
Dawn (Guest): hi Lisa!
Apr 7, 4:32 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I hope you will feel better Betty
Apr 7, 4:32 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Jesus is sinless and so a perfect sacrifice and with His death no other sacrifice is needed.
pr 7, 4:32 PMSimone (Guest): well.. in some ways dying to ourselves also saves us.
7, 4:33 PMLisa C (Guest): The Old Testament sacrifices had to be repeated over and over
r 7, 4:33 PM
Simone (Guest): the Old Testament sacrifices did not have the power to “reconcile the world to Himself ( = GOD)
Apr 7, 4:33 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Jesus want us to sacrifice our heart
Apr 7, 4:33 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes Betty.. Yes
pr 7, 4:34 PMLisa C (Guest): The life of Blessed Mother was a sacrifice too…she continually suffered
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Dawn (Guest): Yes , Lisa
Apr 7, 4:34 PM
Lisa C (Guest): The seven sorrows are enormous
pr 7, 4:34 PM
Bettychao (Guest): God and Mary sacrificed Jesus to us save us
Apr 7, 4:34 PM
Simone (Guest): they are – but not redemptive
Apr 7, 4:35 PM
Lisa C (Guest): We can also offer sacrifices of suffering
pr 7, 4:35 PMSrSusan (Guest): in union with Jesus redemtive suffering
Apr 7, 4:35 PMBettychao (Guest): We offered sacrifice our faith by action to jesus
pr 7, 4:36 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Our sacrifices can be offered for reparation, and for conversion, and for helping souls leave purgatory
Apr 7, 4:37 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How does atonement work?
pr 7, 4:37 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Saints in heaven cannot help release souls only we can
Apr 7, 4:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): reparations, for conversions
Apr 7, 4:37 PM
Ruth (Guest): He
Apr 7, 4:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): I did not know this LIsa, thank you
pr 7, 4:38 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Saints in heaven and saints on earth offered their good action and holy souls to Jesus and his mercy
Apr 7, 4:38 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello all my dear chat sisters!
pr 7, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): Hello lovely chat sister!
Apr 7, 4:38 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Souls in purgatory can pray for us, but cannot pray themselves out
pr 7, 4:38 PM
Ruth (Guest): Sorry I’m late again.
Apr 7, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): late is relative Ruth
Apr 7, 4:39 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Forgiveness and atonement are not the same
Apr 7, 4:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): you are on time
Apr 7, 4:39 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan yesterday I go to check my heart in clinic
Apr 7, 4:39 PM
Lisa C (Guest): After our sins are forgiven we still have to atone for them
Apr 7, 4:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): What is wrong Betty? Sounds serious
Apr 7, 4:40 PM
Lisa C (Guest): We still receive punishment for every sin via purgatory or via suffering here on Earth
Apr 7, 4:41 PM
Simone (Guest): I do not like the word “Punishment” in this context
Apr 7, 4:41 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Because Adam and Eve sin
Apr 7, 4:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): WE must pray for Betty!
Apr 7, 4:41 PM
Ruth (Guest): I’d say Jesus sacrificed Himself.
pr 7, 4:41 PM
Simone (Guest): You had a heart attack?
Apr 7, 4:41 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Little bit
pr 7, 4:42 PM
Simone (Guest): What is the next step now?
Apr 7, 4:42 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes, Sr Susan! Betty we all are praying for you
Apr 7, 4:42 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Thanks
r 7, 4:43 PM
Simone (Guest): Are we still on the atonement question?
Apr 7, 4:43 PM
SrSusan (Guest): atonement makes up for something or someone, right?
pr 7, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): yes
Apr 7, 4:44 PM
Bettychao (Guest): We ask Jesus help us do everything that is good and right
Apr 7, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): with Jesus taking on humankind – and with it – its sin – and then offering HIS life – atonement was achieved
pr 7, 4:45 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Forgiveness
Apr 7, 4:45 PM
Ruth (Guest): That is right Betty.
Apr 7, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): Lisa – you mean.. only forgiveness was achieved?
Apr 7, 4:45 PM
Lisa C (Guest): do not think atonement
pr 7, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): so – what do you add then , that it becomes atonement
Apr 7, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): ?
Apr 7, 4:46 PM
Lisa C (Guest): purgatory
pr 7, 4:46 PM
Simone (Guest): atonement is not for our personal life choices.. but for the re-setting our state of humanness..
Apr 7, 4:46 PM
Dawn (Guest): where we suffer for our sins
Apr 7, 4:46 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Jesus love not only just for us but for everyone in the whole world
Apr 7, 4:46 PM
Lisa C (Guest): even after confession you do not just go to heaven…..
Apr 7, 4:47 PM
Lisa C (Guest): you have to make up for the sin
pr 7, 4:47 PMSimone (Guest): of course Lisa.. but was that ever a question?
pr 7, 4:47 PM
Lisa C (Guest): atonement
Apr 7, 4:47 PM
Dawn (Guest): so it can be a blessing to suffer for our sins here on earth
Apr 7, 4:47 PM
Lisa C (Guest): yes
pr 7, 4:47 PMSimone (Guest): atonement is – the atonement of our fallen human state – not for our personal sins
Apr 7, 4:48 PM
Ruth (Guest): Wow! Thanks a hard one to understand. Simone … resetting..
Apr 7, 4:48 PM
Simone (Guest): because of the atonement of Jesus Christ – we have a chance to suffer now and get rid of our sins
Apr 7, 4:48 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Forgiveness in Baptism, Confession…..
Apr 7, 4:48 PM
Simone (Guest): Lisa.. what does that mean?
Apr 7, 4:48 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Atonement in suffereing
pr 7, 4:49 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Lucifer is angel but he falling in to deep sin so God punish him so God let Jesus took the place
Apr 7, 4:49 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Sacrifices, fasting, offering, etc.
Apr 7, 4:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): In the Middle Ages St. Anselm of Canterbury provided the definitive Catholic interpretation of atonement. The question for Anselm, in his work Cur Deus Homo, was how both God’s love and God’s justice can be interpreted in light of the grave reality of human sin. Anselm thought that humankind incurred an infinite debt through original sin and could not pay it back. God desired the flourishing of humankind but could not just “let things slide.” Restitution, or satisfaction, had to be made for the sake of God’
Apr 7, 4:50 PM
SrSusan (Guest): of God’s honor. So God offered God’s own self, through Jesus, as a perfect sacrifice to make payment for the human offense of sin. The crucifixion of Jesus, therefore, sets humankind free to choose eternal life.
Apr 7, 4:50 PM
SrSusan (Guest): from US Catholic website
Apr 7, 4:50 PMSimone (Guest): Exactly. … sets humankind free… to CHOOSE eternal life
Apr 7, 4:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): helpful
Apr 7, 4:51 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Yes, we are forgiven, but we are still going to have to have the sin burned off to be able to see God the Father
pr 7, 4:51 PMRuth (Guest): That is how when I was in treatment, Dawn, I figured I was in a win, win, win situation, no matter the outcome in terms of the cancer, AND by participating in Christ’s salvific work, that is offering up the plain and suffering for others.
pr 7, 4:51 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Thank you Ruth
Apr 7, 4:52 PM
Bettychao (Guest): The Mexican catholic believe true love in Jesus I saw they believe Mary of Guadalupe but did they believe Jesus?
pr 7, 4:52 PMSrSusan (Guest): q If Jesus saves us from sin, why do we still struggle so much with sin and brokenness
pr 7, 4:53 PMRuth (Guest): Good summary, Sr. Susan.
Apr 7, 4:53 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan do you have any sisters speak Chinese now
Apr 7, 4:53 PM
Dawn (Guest): because we have free win and we are sinners so we struggle with our brokenness
Apr 7, 4:53 PM
Ruth (Guest): And good question.
Apr 7, 4:54 PM
SrSusan (Guest): no Betty
Apr 7, 4:54 PM
Dawn (Guest): will. not win
Apr 7, 4:54 PM
Simone (Guest): Jesus saves us from the eternal consequence of sin – which is eternal death..
Apr 7, 4:54 PM
Dawn (Guest): But Gods grace!
Apr 7, 4:54 PM
Bettychao (Guest): In that time only sr Jennifer koo know how to talk Chinese she talk Chinese to me
Apr 7, 4:55 PM
Simone (Guest): purgatory does not lead to eternal death.. purgatory leads to heaven
Apr 7, 4:55 PM
Ruth (Guest): And we become freer by obeying God. And happier!
Apr 7, 4:55 PM
Simone (Guest): yes. so much freer.
Apr 7, 4:56 PM
Ruth (Guest): And trusting him.
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Apr 7, 4:56 PMDawn (Guest): yes, Jesus I trust in you
pr 7, 4:56 PMSimone (Guest): obeying means – deep listening.. and ever since I heard that, I find it so much easier to joyfully obey God
pr 7, 4:56 PMSimone (Guest): timely quote Dawn 
pr 7, 4:57 PMDawn (Guest): by Gods grace we are able to grow in holiness and closer to him. yes, Simone
Apr 7, 4:57 PMLisa C (Guest): http://www.catholiclane.com/purgatory-part-2-salvation-sanctification-and-atonement/
Purgatory Part 2: Salvation, Sanctification, and Atonement : Catholic Lane
pr 7, 4:58 PMDawn (Guest): thanks Lisa!
Apr 7, 4:58 PMSrSusan (Guest): q How do we escape the slavery of sin and of this world?
r 7, 4:59 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Keep faith in Jesus and follow him
Apr 7, 4:59 PM
Dawn (Guest): Only by Gods grace and alighning our will to his
Apr 7, 4:59 PM
Dawn (Guest): sorry sp
Apr 7, 4:59 PM
Simone (Guest): When I look back on my life with God, I see that the grip of sin is loosened.. and loosened mostly in the times when I really really leaned into prayer and seeking GOD earnestly
pr 7, 5:00 PM
Simone (Guest): we are not slaves of sin anymore.. but we still have to walk it out through the wilderness ( desert) until we arrive in the Promised Land
Apr 7, 5:01 PM
Simone (Guest): sin is not our master anymore. That power is broken.. But a person can still act like a slave, although the master is not the master anymore
Apr 7, 5:01 PM
Ruth (Guest): Opps! thanks for the reference.
Apr 7, 5:02 PM
SrSusan (Guest): beautiful isnt it- what God has done for us
Apr 7, 5:02 PM
Simone (Guest): very beautiful
pr 7, 5:02 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Beautiful, but very sad
Apr 7, 5:03 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr Susan I did not chat with you in long time I miss you
Apr 7, 5:03 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Poor Jesus
Apr 7, 5:03 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q If God could have redeemed us in some other way, why did He choose to allow the means in which his Son died a horrible death?
Apr 7, 5:03 PMLisa C (Guest): Sin is horrible, so only a perfect Sacrifice could merit forgiveness
Apr 7, 5:04 PMLisa C (Guest): The horror of sin
pr 7, 5:04 PM
Ruth (Guest): That sure makes sense!
Apr 7, 5:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): the paradox of the spiritual life…pain and suffering, pain and joy!
pr 7, 5:05 PMSimone (Guest): but let’s not forget…that the actual power was the LOVE behind the death. If the death alone was needed from a person with two natures, Jesus could have just died. But it was his self giving love ( even unto death.. death on the cross Phil 2) that brought eternal healing for humankind
Apr 7, 5:05 PM
Dawn (Guest): Amen!
Apr 7, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): the debt was love – and love paid.
Apr 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Jesus could not die, because He had no sin, so He had to be willing to be killed as a sacrifice
Apr 7, 5:06 PM
Lisa C (Guest): No death without sin
pr 7, 5:06 PM
Simone (Guest): Jesus was so full of life, that he had to borrow death from us
Apr 7, 5:06 PM
Bettychao (Guest): When I am Mexico their has young people holding the crucifix and walk pray
Apr 7, 5:06 PM
Ruth (Guest): A little slow starting! But gets into some important truths.
r 7, 5:06 PM
Dawn (Guest): so beautiful Betty
Apr 7, 5:07 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Thanks
Apr 7, 5:07 PM
Ruth (Guest): It is about Abraham and Isaac — and the wives.
Apr 7, 5:07 PM
Dawn (Guest): I wish , we need more of this here
Apr 7, 5:07 PM
Bettychao (Guest): And jacob
Apr 7, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): more of what Dawn?
Apr 7, 5:07 PM
Dawn (Guest): open processions
Apr 7, 5:08 PM
Dawn (Guest): many walking together on streets with Jesus and one another
Apr 7, 5:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ah yes ok
Apr 7, 5:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Did you see the coverage of the Good Friday walk over Brooklyn Bridge in NYC?
Apr 7, 5:09 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Earthquake, eclipse on the Annunciation, two broods of cicadas at once (kind of like the plague of locusts)….all in April…God is warning us
Apr 7, 5:10 PM
Dawn (Guest): no. I will look for it!
Apr 7, 5:10 PM
SrSusan (Guest): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOcyhWSQfWc&list=UU0b_mHEed-q-nWYqxHpBQJw&fbclid=IwAR3oGUcD2U9m1ZpVConSFe_-UBGm0u_r6OWMePth5QhFbGI5BUzV7ZrRiw4_aem_AaD6NRyncXdd_1gizwW113RM2X1t5hN6oqRj1rNJIvwYBKfjymysdswpUNHnYDPUR8_seiAUSppEvP8wg50uOkv8
Apr 7, 5:10 PM
Dawn (Guest): ah!! thank you
Apr 7, 5:10 PM
Simone (Guest): they claim that the victory in Austria over the Russian occupation was won by huge processions with Mother Mary and thousands of people praying the rosary. One day – out of the blue – the Russians left. That’s why we escaped communism in our country – where other countries were not so lucky
Apr 7, 5:10 PM
Ruth (Guest): that walking in procession with the blessed sacrament was part of the fraud, light number, body of Christ celebration in June in Germany, or in Bavaria, in any case, and zone of Munich was decorated with trees.
Apr 7, 5:10 PM
Bettychao (Guest): April 11 I will go to kansas
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Apr 7, 5:11 PMSimone (Guest): did you mean FRONLEICHNAM Ruth?
r 7, 5:11 PMSimone (Guest): because processions are very common on this feast day
Apr 7, 5:14 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Why did so many saints, both old and new, emphasize the practice of meditating on the suffering and death of Christ? Does this help us? How?
pr 7, 5:14 PM
Dawn (Guest): Enjoyed seeing all the people and children, beautiful. may this faith spread around the world!
Apr 7, 5:15 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Saints love Jesus that is they become followers of him
Apr 7, 5:15 PM
Simone (Guest): I often experience supernatural love in my heart – when I meditate on the cross. This love often translates into a deep joy – and I can see God’s goodness clearer
pr 7, 5:16 PM
Lisa C (Guest): It helps us to understand what Jesus did for us, and to unite our suffering with His so we can participate in His work of salvation….Colossians 1:24: “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church.”
Apr 7, 5:16 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thanks for that encouraging display!
Apr 7, 5:16 PM
Lisa C (Guest): We can only be like Jesus, by acting like Him and knowing what He did
Apr 7, 5:16 PM
Simone (Guest): Col 1:24 is often a stumbling block for our protestant brothers and sisters
Apr 7, 5:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): why
Apr 7, 5:17 PM
Lisa C (Guest): He wants us to share in His nature
pr 7, 5:18 PMLisa C (Guest): Saints with the stigmata are most like Him
pr 7, 5:18 PM
Simone (Guest): oh ok.. well protestant churches do not have the teaching of redemptive suffering. There is nothing “lacking in Christ’s affliction”
Apr 7, 5:18 PM
Lisa C (Guest): They share in His suffering to an immense degree
Apr 7, 5:18 PM
Dawn (Guest): where I live is very little faith, I am suffering, verbal persecution from non Catholics and non believers
pr 7, 5:19 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Thanks Simone- not familiar with that
Apr 7, 5:19 PM
Simone (Guest): Dawn, may the Beatitudes be your consolation in this difficult time
Apr 7, 5:19 PMLisa C (Guest): There is nothing lacking in Christ, but He shares His work with us and lets us share in His Divine Nature
pr 7, 5:19 PM
Lisa C (Guest): He lets us share in His work of salvation
Apr 7, 5:19 PM
Dawn (Guest): Lisa, like Padre Pio. thank you Simone
Apr 7, 5:19 PMSimone (Guest): Lisa.. I was simply quoting scripture
Apr 7, 5:20 PMDawn (Guest): Yes, Sr. we learn here. a gift from God
pr 7, 5:21 PM
Lisa C (Guest): We can truly be like Jesus, it is what He wants for us, we can be one with Him at the end, but try to be like Him now
pr 7, 5:22 PM
Simone (Guest): That’s what I so like about St. Francis de Sales. He gave suffering the right place in a life with GOD. He never denied the importance of suffering but at the same time always encouraged people to live with GOD’s joy too.
Apr 7, 5:22 PM
Dawn (Guest): and Jesu suffered. he was always persecuted and he told us if they persecute me, they will persecute you
Apr 7, 5:22 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How do we embrace the joy that
comes with the Resurrection?
pr 7, 5:22 PM
Simone (Guest): Oh, we embrace it with all our heart!
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): What is not to be joyful – when we are saved from eternal death?
pr 7, 5:23 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I have to go please pray for me
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hope!! and Joy!!
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
Ruth (Guest): Amen!
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
Bettychao (Guest): God bless you all
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): Betty — all the best for you .. May God’s healing power minister to your. body!
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes Betty! May Jesus keep yu safe and well
Apr 7, 5:23 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Thanks
pr 7, 5:24 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Thanks for all of you praise jesus
Apr 7, 5:24 PM
Lisa C (Guest): The resurrection is everything….1 Corinthians 15:13-23
Apr 7, 5:24 PM
Lisa C (Guest): There is nothing without it
Apr 7, 5:25 PMSimone (Guest): our faith would be in vain
7, 5:27 PMSimone (Guest): On this 2nd Sunday of Easter – we had our first full spring day.. with wonderful weather.. It was like nature trying to translate the resurrection joy into something tangible – so all could be invited
pr 7, 5:27 PM
Ruth (Guest): My heart aches for those who do not or can not believe that Jesus is truly risen from the dead.
Apr 7, 5:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): beautiful note Simone
r 7, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): That is a godly sorrow on your heart dear Ruth. Yes, keep them in prayer – that one day the veil will lift for them
Apr 7, 5:28 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Romans 14:11
Apr 7, 5:28 PM
Lisa C (Guest): It is written: “’As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’”
Apr 7, 5:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes!
7, 5:28 PMLisa C (Guest): I think everyone might eventually see Him
pr 7, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): somehow
Apr 7, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Jesus knows how
Apr 7, 5:29 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree that we will all see him.. But seeing Him might not necessarily BEING with him
pr 7, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Have faith
Apr 7, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): pray
pr 7, 5:29 PMLisa C (Guest): Pray for them
pr 7, 5:29 PMLisa C (Guest): Suffer for them
ee that God will choose some in the Body of Christ to do so
Apr 7, 5:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Persistence and TRUSt Jesus I trust in You!
Apr 7, 5:30 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Yes, St. Faustina
Apr 7, 5:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I will say Good night to all now God bless you!
Apr 7, 5:30 PM
Simone (Guest): Lovely ending on Divine Mercy Sunday
Apr 7, 5:30 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Jesus told her Ge would save people if she asked Him to