Reflections:What does it mean for us to at one point to have never existed, and now you will never cease to exist, even after death?Does being mere dirt/dust/ashes mean that we are seen as just unimportant thereby?God creates us out of nothing. Discuss the humbling reminder that we are not just created out of the earth, but that we are created out of nothing, and so without God, we are essentially nothing.Discuss God’s humility in that He creates souls at the behest of the will of humans each time they conc
they conceive a child. But also talk about how this reveals why we need God even more than we realize.Why is gratitude so important and so powerful?Having this understanding that God created us out of nothing to live forever, how can we parlay that knowledge to a world that so desperately needs to respect human life from conception to natural death? What would your conversation with a person who wanted to end life look like?
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Jun 8, 2:21 PM
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Jun 9, 4:25 PM
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Jun 9, 4:26 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Donna! Welcome!
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Jun 9, 4:27 PM
Simone (Guest): Usually we are about 5-7 people on the chat. Mostly women
Jun 9, 4:27 PM
Simone (Guest): And here is Sr. Susan! Hi Sr. Susan!
Jun 9, 4:28 PM
Donna (Guest): O ! Hi Sister Susan!
n 9, 4:33 PMSrSusan (Guest): qWhat does it mean for us to at one point to have never existed, and now you will never cease to exist, even after death?
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
Simone (Guest): in a way .. the concept of time stands in the way.. to really grasp that.
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): When I was a child I used to think about not having existed but I dont much now
un 9, 4:34 PM
Simone (Guest): in a way .. the concept of time stands in the way.. to really grasp that.
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): When I was a child I used to think about not having existed but I dont much now
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
Simone (Guest): WOW. that is a big thought for a child.. you must have been a deep thinker as a child
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): and in fact we always existed in the mind of God
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes then I was ut I mellowed out
Jun 9, 4:34 PM
Chrystal (Guest): I think it’s pretty awesome
Jun 9, 4:35 PM
Simone (Guest): I also think.. that eternal.. is not a matter of time.. but a matter of a special form or quality of life
Jun 9, 4:35 PM
SrSusan (Guest): that is interesting- explain more?
Jun 9, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): like being a part of God?
Jun 9, 4:36 PM
Simone (Guest): I think that God is outside of time and space.. He is eternal.. so eternity is not a subsequent episodes of time.. but more THE LIFE – the Ur – life – we become one with this entity – we call GOD – three in one – that existence in that form of love is what I call eternity
un 9, 4:37 PM
Simone (Guest): sorry.. I don’t think I did a good job in wording this
Jun 9, 4:37 PM
SrSusan (Guest): it is deep
Jun 9, 4:37 PM
Simone (Guest): being part of God.. is the core what I actually meant
un 9, 4:38 PMSrSusan (Guest): We cant grasp it too well now
Jun 9, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): His thoughts are higher than ours.. right?
Jun 9, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): oh very much so
un 9, 4:39 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Does being mere dirt/dust/ashes mean that we are seen as just unimportant thereby?
Jun 9, 4:40 PMSimone (Guest): well.. it does not sound too important to be honest 
Jun 9, 4:40 PMSimone (Guest): BUT.. even dirt is made by God
Jun 9, 4:41 PMSrSusan (Guest): we are important to Him even if in ourselves we are creatures, msde by Him
Jun 9, 4:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): He became one of us
Jun 9, 4:41 PM
Chrystal (Guest): No we’re important because of Gods love for us and the price His Son paid for us
Jun 9, 4:42 PM
SrSusan (Guest): That’s right- He died for us
Jun 9, 4:42 PM
Simone (Guest): I once saw in a meditation on this subject – that I am an “overspill” of God’s love.. it has deeply changed and shaped the way how I saw the value of my life and my existence
Jun 9, 4:42 PM
Chrystal (Guest): We are dirt that’s true very expensive dirt
Jun 9, 4:42 PMSimone (Guest): LOL,, love this Chrystal.. very expensive dirt
un 9, 4:43 PMSrSusan (Guest): q God creates us out of nothing. Discuss the humbling reminder that we are not just created out of the earth, but that we are created out of nothing, and so without God, we are essentially nothing
un 9, 4:44 PM
Donna (Guest): Wow very humbling
Jun 9, 4:44 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Nothing physically but from the thought of God, which is not exactly nothing
Jun 9, 4:45 PMSimone (Guest): he creates us out of the “nothingness of the existence” of life itself.
un 9, 4:46 PMSrSusan (Guest): But it is true that without God we would fall back into nothingness
Jun 9, 4:46 PMSimone (Guest): yes.. deep nothingness – where no life has ever entered
n 9, 4:47 PMDonna (Guest): We would have no memory again very humbling
un 9, 4:48 PM
Simone (Guest): A friend’s brother passed away last week.. He was actually a little bit of a miracle.. he had Down Syndrome and was supposed to live maximum 5 years.. well he lived 59 years … ANYWAY.. when I saw him in the casket.. I was blown away.. again.. how different a person looks without a living soul in it. When Life is missing – it does not make sense in a way
Jun 9, 4:48 PM
SrSusan (Guest): memory is something we try to hold on to when other things are gone
un 9, 4:49 PM
Simone (Guest): and Donna.. you are right.. we would not have any memory.. no link to life in that way.. I like that thoguht
Jun 9, 4:49 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Yes I experienced something like that with a Sister who was unconscious- but still alive- very different when she was gone- even unconsciousness is aliveness
Jun 9, 4:49 PMSimone (Guest): good point.
un 9, 4:50 PM
Chrystal (Guest): It’s good to know God can never not exist and that He knows us
Jun 9, 4:50 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes.
Jun 9, 4:51 PM
Donna (Guest): Even if in a coma for years before passing away
Jun 9, 4:51 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Hi Lisa
Jun 9, 4:52 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q .Discuss God’s humility in that He creates souls at the behest of the will of humans each time they conc
they conceive a child
un 9, 4:52 PMLisa C (Guest): He knew us before we were conceived
un 9, 4:53 PMLisa C (Guest): It is not human will that forms us
un 9, 4:53 PMLisa C (Guest): Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be.
un 9, 4:54 PMSimone (Guest): I am wonderfully and fearfully made
Jun 9, 4:54 PMDonna (Guest): Amen!
un 9, 4:54 PMChrystal (Guest): I feel He’s inviting us into like the trinity. The humility of Him taking flesh and even now we can cooperate with creation like Mary
un 9, 4:55 PM
Simone (Guest): lovely thought Chrystal
Jun 9, 4:55 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
un 9, 4:55 PMSimone (Guest): there is definitely a cooperation between humankind and GOD – in the ongoing redemption of the world
Jun 9, 4:56 PMSrSusan (Guest): how does this reveal why we need God even more than we realize
un 9, 4:56 PMChrystal (Guest): He teaches us through are babies as well. We learn what love is and how the Father entrusted the holy family and even now how family is attacked in the world
un 9, 4:57 PMSimone (Guest): God uses everything to point our eyes to His love for us – and the ongoing Sacred Invitation to eternal life
Jun 9, 4:58 PMLisa C (Guest): The only life we have that is real is through the Holy Spirit
Jun 9, 4:58 PMLisa C (Guest): Nothing else we do on our own counts for anything
Jun 9, 4:59 PM
Donna (Guest): True
Jun 9, 4:59 PM
Chrystal (Guest): We need to trust God like a baby trusts its mother
Jun 9, 4:59 PM
Donna (Guest): True
un 9, 5:00 PMSimone (Guest): as for the question.. we are probably thinking.. that making babies.. is pretty much what we can do on our own as humans
Jun 9, 5:00 PMChrystal (Guest): Everything we are and have is from God and when bad things happen God sees and makes good come out of it
Why is gratitude so important and so powerful?
Jun 9, 5:01 PM
Simone (Guest): it turns our thoughts away from us
Jun 9, 5:01 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Very true
Jun 9, 5:02 PMSrSusan (Guest): it keeps us positive too
Jun 9, 5:02 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
Jun 9, 5:02 PM
Chrystal (Guest): To become aware of those who may have less or carry a heavier cross
Jun 9, 5:03 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Positive keeps us in the life stream
un 9, 5:03 PMSimone (Guest): one of the first blessings I realized – when I became a Christian was the wonderful feeling to be able to be thankful to someone now.. It is so hard when your heart bursts – being overwhelmed in nature – or having experienced grace in whatever form.. but no way to address gratitude for it
un 9, 5:03 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
Jun 9, 5:04 PM
Simone (Guest): yes, Chrystal.. I also think that this awareness – is important.. it is soul-shaping.. or better said…Spirit- shaping
Jun 9, 5:04 PM
Simone (Guest): if we are not in a constant state of gratitude.. it means.. we do not see ourselves on the receiving end.. but rather see good things as a result from our actions
Jun 9, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Welcome Anne
Jun 9, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): gratitude is also humility
Jun 9, 5:05 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes!
Jun 9, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): or leads to it
Jun 9, 5:05 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Yeah
Jun 9, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): yes!
Jun 9, 5:06 PMSimone (Guest): gratitude catapults us out of the deep temptation of self-sufficency
Jun 9, 5:06 PMSimone (Guest): or seeing ourselves as self sufficient – I should rather say
Jun 9, 5:07 PMAnne (Guest): Hi everyone
un 9, 5:07 PMChrystal (Guest): Getting old helps too with humility and gratitude because you see more of the fruitun 9, 5:08 PMSimone (Guest): yes – good point .. aging is a powerful tool for growing in humility
Jun 9, 5:09 PMDonna (Guest): And opens doors for others to see how good God is
Jun 9, 5:09 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Receiving help or being able to do something that health wise you can’t do really I think brings us back to that fact we are dust
Jun 9, 5:09 PM
Simone (Guest): yes – Donna.. you are so right.. it works in that way too
Jun 9, 5:09 PM
Donna (Guest): by our acknowledging Him
Jun 9, 5:09 PMSimone (Guest): achy dust
Jun 9, 5:10 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Having this understanding that God created us out of nothing to live forever, how can we parlay that knowledge to a world that so desperately needs to respect human life from conception to natural death?
Jun 9, 5:10 PMLisa C (Guest): We have to keep telling the truth about it
Jun 9, 5:11 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Then ask God to soften hearts about it
Jun 9, 5:11 PM
Chrystal (Guest): That they are wanted and loved
Jun 9, 5:11 PM
Simone (Guest): I think – living in awe of our own existence and life – radiates the message nonverbally too
un 9, 5:11 PMDonna (Guest): Yes! God’s love is contagious!
Jun 9, 5:12 PMSimone (Guest): making good choices in our life .. life promoting choices.. that includes how I deal with my body, my time etc..
Jun 9, 5:12 PMChrystal (Guest): That they are teaching us empathy and compassion by exposing their need
Jun 9, 5:12 PM
Chrystal (Guest): They are our brothers and sisters
Jun 9, 5:12 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
un 9, 5:12 PMSimone (Guest): the hardest way to be a blessing is to be in need of others
Jun 9, 5:13 PM
Chrystal (Guest): True
Jun 9, 5:13 PM
Lisa C (Guest): how do we deal with “Catholic” politicians who support other people’s “right” to have abortions. It is crazy. It is relativism
Jun 9, 5:13 PMLisa C (Guest): It is impossible to make sense of how they are thinking
Jun 9, 5:14 PMSimone (Guest): the invitation is to pray I guess.. not to make sense of their thoughts
Jun 9, 5:14 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
Jun 9, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I am wondering how they can do it
un 9, 5:14 PMLisa C (Guest): They say they are Catholic
Jun 9, 5:14 PMSimone (Guest): well.. I guess the word “Catholic” is open to different interpretations.
Jun 9, 5:15 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Actually it is the only religion where it is not
Jun 9, 5:15 PM
Lisa C (Guest): everything has been spelled out
Jun 9, 5:15 PM
Simone (Guest): well. in reality it is though to so many people.. right?
Jun 9, 5:15 PMChrystal (Guest): It’s fear based and the “idea” a right is being taken away. One thing to do is to focus on the truth of God and not hide and to call on the Holy Spirit and be a witness
n 9, 5:16 PM
Donna (Guest): Beautiful
Jun 9, 5:16 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Voting helps too
infront of her as if they are Jesus.
Jun 9, 5:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q What would your conversation with a person who wanted to end life look like?
Jun 9, 5:17 PM
Simone (Guest): everything nowadays.. is newly defined .. Catholic – marriage – life… all these things used to be so clear.. and are now prisms of different interpretations
un 9, 5:17 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Your loved and wanted and to thank them
Jun 9, 5:17 PM
Lisa C (Guest): First a referral to a Psychiatrist
un 9, 5:18 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Second to tell them that life comes from God and it is not our job to take it
Jun 9, 5:18 PM
Lisa C (Guest): not our right
Jun 9, 5:18 PM
Simone (Guest): I think I would share my sadness.. deep sadness – that they cannot see how precious they are
Jun 9, 5:18 PMSimone (Guest): that their life still counts. still is meaningful.
un 9, 5:18 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Explain the value of suffering in the plan of salvation of sins
Jun 9, 5:19 PM
Chrystal (Guest): That they are not a burden
Jun 9, 5:19 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes!
un 9, 5:19 PM
Lisa C (Guest): also how it can be used to take people out of purgatory
Jun 9, 5:19 PM
Chrystal (Guest): True
Jun 9, 5:19 PM
Donna (Guest): And that we have empathy
Jun 9, 5:20 PMSimone (Guest): Lisa.. my experience is that theological arguments are often not reaching them – once they have made the decision
un 9, 5:20 PM
Simone (Guest): although.. if they are open to that.. then of course everything you said makes sense
Jun 9, 5:20 PM
Donna (Guest): And that God knew them before He made them
Jun 9, 5:21 PM
Chrystal (Guest): I also think that talking about the suffering of Christ helps and just to listen to them and try to share hope
Jun 9, 5:21 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
Jun 9, 5:21 PM
SrSusan (Guest): and that they may still be in pain after their death
Jun 9, 5:21 PM
Simone (Guest): ouch.. that would hit home Sister
Jun 9, 5:21 PM
Chrystal (Guest): And think deep down they don’t believe they are loved
un 9, 5:21 PMSimone (Guest): or matter
un 9, 5:22 PM
Simone (Guest): Sister.. how would you describe the pain afterwards?
Jun 9, 5:22 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I imagine the pains of purification, if they are saved
Jun 9, 5:22 PM
SrSusan (Guest): otherwise, worse
Jun 9, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): gosh.. it is so hard when one has never spent time to grow into this knowledge.. it is really hard to step into that on the death bed for most of them
Jun 9, 5:23 PM
SrSusan (Guest): it is primarily the soul that suffers even when alive
Jun 9, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): there is wisdom to seek the Lord from youth
Jun 9, 5:23 PM
Chrystal (Guest): I think people think they are already in hell especially if they don’t know God
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Mother, why do you say that?
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
Donna (Guest): It is true
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): say what?
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
Simone (Guest): my experience is, that most people do not fear hell
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
Lisa C (Guest): the soul suffers more
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): that’s the part making the decision to end life basically, deep down
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Because they are already living it
Jun 9, 5:24 PM
Lisa C (Guest): oh
Jun 9, 5:25 PM
Simone (Guest): or Chrystal.. because they actually do not believe in it really. They deny what they cannot understand.
Jun 9, 5:25 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I think anyone who would kill themself is mentally ill and needs help
Jun 9, 5:25 PM
Lisa C (Guest): from a doc
Jun 9, 5:25 PMSimone (Guest): Sorry Lisa, I disagree
Jun 9, 5:26 PMLisa C (Guest): depression lack of hope
Jun 9, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): oh of course.. a compromised mental health can be part of end of life.. but I have seen very able – and definitely not mentally ill people making the decision to end their life when proposed a time of suffering with chronic illness
Jun 9, 5:27 PM
Lisa C (Guest): you can be ready to die, but not take your life
Jun 9, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): people do not want to be dependent..
Jun 9, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): statistics show that mostly people in leadership take end of life offer.. they are not used to depend on others..
Jun 9, 5:28 PM
SrSusan (Guest): no humility
Jun 9, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): exactly
un 9, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): and no willingness to take the illness as a way to grow in it
Jun 9, 5:28 PM
Lisa C (Guest): it is immoral and illegal in most places
Jun 9, 5:28 PMChrystal (Guest): I think it’s about control too
un 9, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): of course it is immoral.. unfortunately highly legal in Canada.. it breaks my heart
Jun 9, 5:28 PM
Lisa C (Guest): no doc should do it
Jun 9, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): very much about control
un 9, 5:29 PMSimone (Guest): A absolutely agree with you Lisa
Jun 9, 5:29 PM
Chrystal (Guest): I’m sorry they are trying to approve it in New Hampshire now
Jun 9, 5:29 PM
Simone (Guest): it is a night mare
Jun 9, 5:29 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Yeah
Jun 9, 5:29 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Hippocratic oath prevents it even if the doc is an athiest
Jun 9, 5:30 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes so more prayer, repapration, sacrifice and LOVE is needed
Jun 9, 5:30 PM
Chrystal (Guest): Some places to recite it now