What is devotion?How can we recognize the facade of true devotion?Why is it import to have a wholistic approach to our spiritual life?If devotion is Divine work within us and devotion also helps increase Divine life within us, how do we ever begin before we have this life in us and/or before we have any devotion?How is greater devotion beneficial for those around us, not just for ourselves?St. Francis draws a distinction between well-meaning people who grow slowly in true devotion, and “really devout men”
who “rise up to God frequently, and with a swift and soaring wing.” What can we do to rise up to God frequently, and avoid the trap of falling into the first category?
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What is devotion?How can we recognize the facade of true devotion
n 30, 4:37 PM
Simone (Guest): I remember when I started to read the Introduction the first time. .I was so confused about his definition of devotion…
Jun 30, 4:37 PM
chrystalmc: The rosary is an example
Jun 30, 4:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): we could self examine
Jun 30, 4:37 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Everyone!
Jun 30, 4:37 PM
Lisa C (Guest): devotion-love, loyalty, fidelity
Jun 30, 4:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol!
Jun 30, 4:37 PM
chrystalmc: Hi Carol
Jun 30, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): I cannot find exactly how St. Francis describes it.. but I remember it is basically our love for God expressed in a deep willingness to obey and do his will – and fast!
Jun 30, 4:38 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Hi Carol
Jun 30, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Carol!
n 30, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): I cannot find exactly how St. Francis describes it.. but I remember it is basically our love for God expressed in a deep willingness to obey and do his will – and fast!
Jun 30, 4:38 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Hi Carol
Jun 30, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Carol!
Jun 30, 4:38 PM
Carol (Guest): Devotion I think are prayers that we say regularly, our favorites
Jun 30, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): that’s how I understood it first.. but I find that St. Francis defines it different.
Jun 30, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): here it is
Jun 30, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): In short, devotion is simply a spiritual activity and liveliness by means of which Divine Love works in us, and causes us to work briskly and lovingly;
Jun 30, 4:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): Chrystal mentioned the rosary, a true devotion
un 30, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): In short, devotion is simply a spiritual activity and liveliness by means of which Divine Love works in us, and causes us to work briskly and lovingly;
Jun 30, 4:39 PM
Dawn (Guest): Chrystal mentioned the rosary, a true devotion
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Jun 30, 4:40 PM
Simone (Guest): so you are all right.. it is a spiritual activity
Jun 30, 4:40 PM
Carol (Guest): So then specific prayers May be the literal interpretation, but there’s a deeper meaning
Jun 30, 4:40 PM
SrSusan (Guest): St Francis meant it in a broad sense our growth in holiness, dedication to God
Jun 30, 4:40 PM
Simone (Guest): I considered it more an attitude than an action
Jun 30, 4:40 PM
Dawn (Guest): that we participate in regularly
un 30, 4:41 PM
Carol (Guest): Devotion to God rather than the prayer
Jun 30, 4:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes
un 30, 4:42 PM
Dawn (Guest): good replies
Jun 30, 4:42 PM
Simone (Guest): yes Carol, that’s how I understood it too
Jun 30, 4:42 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Why is it import to have a wholistic approach to our spiritual life?
Jun 30, 4:42 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Devotion to God includes prayer. It is how we talk to Him.
Jun 30, 4:43 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes true
un 30, 4:43 PM
Carol (Guest): We must pray, study the Bible, do spiritual reading–and perform acts of love that show our devotion
Jun 30, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): because every way of seeking God brings out new facets of our love for Him and others
Jun 30, 4:44 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth!
Jun 30, 4:44 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Hi Ruth
Jun 30, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Ruth! Great that you are here
Jun 30, 4:45 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Ruth
un 30, 4:45 PM
Ruth (Guest): Hello all, sorry I’m late but glad to be able to participate again. Mostly just technical problems.
Jun 30, 4:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): a wholistic approach to our spiritual life means balance which St Francis de Sales advocated forun 30, 4:47 PM
Shareun 30, 4:50 PM
un 30, 4:50 PMDawn (Guest): Catholics may not be so inclinded to do this, traditional orthodox Catholics
un 30, 4:51 PM
Carol (Guest): Not inclined to which part Dawn?
Jun 30, 4:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes that sounds like modernism. was this a concern during St Francis time?
un 30, 4:52 PM
Ruth (Guest): Interesting question, Dawn
Jun 30, 4:52 PM
Lisa C (Guest): I think the Protestants were starting around that time
Jun 30, 4:52 PM
Dawn (Guest): to get stuck in one way I guess
Jun 30, 4:52 PM
Lisa C (Guest): They wanted things their way
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Carol (Guest): How is a balance in the spiritual life modernism?
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Dawn (Guest): right..
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Lisa C (Guest): It is not, Carol
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Simone (Guest): Carol, I think the “non balance” is more the modernism..
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Carol (Guest): Then ive lost the thread…
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Simone (Guest): if you just do what you want
Jun 30, 4:53 PM
Simone (Guest): all good Carol.. all good
un 30, 4:56 PMSrSusan (Guest): q If devotion is Divine work within us and devotion also helps increase Divine life within us, how do we ever begin before we have this life in us and/or before we have any devotion?
Jun 30, 4:56 PMDawn (Guest): Grace
Jun 30, 4:56 PMSimone (Guest): all true and living devotion presupposes the love of God;
un 30, 4:57 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, grace. Jesus gives us the desire and we choose to respond
Jun 30, 4:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, indeed! Is it stormy where you are? And I’m not sure where that is any. Ore
Jun 30, 4:57 PM
chrystalmc: God inspires us by His creation and that we have the breath of life
un 30, 4:57 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, grace. Jesus gives us the desire and we choose to respond
Jun 30, 4:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, indeed! Is it stormy where you are? And I’m not sure where that is any. Ore
Jun 30, 4:57 PM
chrystalmc: God inspires us by His creation and that we have the breath of life
un 30, 4:57 PM
Simone (Guest): I love the sentence you wrote Chrystal..
Jun 30, 4:57 PM
Dawn (Guest): The Holy Spirit works within us first
Jun 30, 4:57 PM
Ruth (Guest): More.
Jun 30, 4:58 PMSrSusan (Guest): yes we cooperate with the Holy Spirit
Jun 30, 4:59 PM
Dawn (Guest): And our blessed Mother, she did for me
Jun 30, 4:59 PM
chrystalmc: The Word hovered above the waters in the creation story and what He spoke won’t go back void
un 30, 4:59 PMSimone (Guest): I think Carol you worded it well.. we are cooperating – or responding to the grace given
Jun 30, 5:01 PMSrSusan (Guest): q How is greater devotion beneficial for those around us, not just for ourselves?
un 30, 5:02 PM
Ruth (Guest): Chrys, Isaiah 45, I think, near the beginning of the chapterxx
Jun 30, 5:02 PM
Carol (Guest): When we let Jesus in, He shines through us to others
Jun 30, 5:02 PM
Ruth (Guest): Above act do not know.
Jun 30, 5:03 PM
Carol (Guest): It might be Isaiah 55:11-12
un 30, 5:03 PM
Simone (Guest): what the Holy Spirit touches the Holy Spirit changes – and if we are changed our relationships are changed. Our way of loving changes – those around us will for sure notice a difference
Jun 30, 5:03 PM
Ruth (Guest): I sure hope so!
un 30, 5:05 PM
Ruth (Guest): that Jesus shines through.
Jun 30, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes
un 30, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): Live Jesus! right?
Jun 30, 5:05 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes
Jun 30, 5:05 PM
Carol (Guest): Amen!
un 30, 5:06 PMSrSusan (Guest): He must increase and I must decrease
Jun 30, 5:07 PMDawn (Guest): love this truth
un 30, 5:07 PMCarol (Guest): To die is to live
un 30, 5:08 PMSimone (Guest): if we can say this Carol.. we have reached the state of devotion for sure
un 30, 5:08 PMCarol (Guest): We have a God who seems to love paradox
Jun 30, 5:09 PM
Simone (Guest): the upside down kingdom… as Peter always calls it
Jun 30, 5:09 PM
Carol (Guest): If we live only in this world, we will miss everything. Life is spiritual, not physical
Jun 30, 5:10 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q St. Francis draws a distinction between well-meaning people who grow slowly in true devotion, and “really devout men”
who “rise up to God frequently, and with a swift and soaring wing.” What can we do to rise up to God frequently, and avoid the trap of falling into the first category?
Jun 30, 5:10 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, Carol, that is the verse I was thinking of: The word that goes forth from my mouth, does not return to me empty
Jun 30, 5:11 PM
chrystalmc: It can inspire us to live as little christs. Martyrs spurs us into a greater devotion to God
Jun 30, 5:11 PM
Carol (Guest): https://youtu.be/_zXDx2uo5vE?si=R2Y96efFPqxNNG2m
un 30, 5:12 PM
Simone (Guest): what is this clip about Carol?
Jun 30, 5:12 PM
Dawn (Guest): and these are the contrasts, the paradox of spiritual life! Pain and Joy, Cross and Resurrection!
Jun 30, 5:13 PM
chrystalmc: Humility
Jun 30, 5:13 PM
Carol (Guest): It is the passage from Isaiah set to a catchy little tune
Jun 30, 5:13 PM
Simone (Guest): oh I see. Thank you
Jun 30, 5:13 PM
Carol (Guest): Living two lives at once
Jun 30, 5:13 PM
Lisa C (Guest): It reminds me of the parable where the workers who came early got paid the same as the workers who came late……
Jun 30, 5:13 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Do people always have control of how they come to God?
Jun 30, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Some have parents who teach them early and some have to find God on their own
Jun 30, 5:14 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thanks, Carol,
Jun 30, 5:14 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Yet in the end God saves them all the same
Jun 30, 5:14 PM
Dawn (Guest): I think not, conversion is a mighty work of the Spirit
Jun 30, 5:15 PM
Carol (Guest): If you look for God, He will find you
Jun 30, 5:15 PM
Lisa C (Guest): God is fair so He will get to everyone I hope
Jun 30, 5:15 PM
Dawn (Guest): A simple yes to his grace and it all begins
Jun 30, 5:16 PM
Dawn (Guest): or a simple following of those first promptings
Jun 30, 5:16 PM
Dawn (Guest): its not simple
Jun 30, 5:16 PM
Lisa C (Guest): Pray for Bishop Vigano
Jun 30, 5:17 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes
un 30, 5:17 PM
chrystalmc: For me I had to be broken I didn’t want God at first lol
Jun 30, 5:18 PM
Dawn (Guest): my conversion began in pain also
un 30, 5:18 PM
Carol (Guest): That sounds familiar Chrystal, He gets a lot of us that way
Jun 30, 5:18 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes myself as well
Jun 30, 5:18 PM
chrystalmc: I think that some had the faith given to them and was passed down from family I not so much
un 30, 5:19 PM
chrystalmc: We don’t want to suffer and I find that by suffering Gods graces pours into us
Jun 30, 5:19 PM
Simone (Guest): Amen
Jun 30, 5:19 PM
chrystalmc: I’m glad I’m not the only one
un 30, 5:19 PM
Carol (Guest): Sometimes it is there but below the surface. Like me with Divine Mercy. After my father passed I found one of the first prints to be in the US wrapped around his First Communion certificate. He must have said it at least once and I inherited it
Jun 30, 5:19 PM
Simone (Guest): we are the Body of Christ Chrystal. You are not the only one
un 30, 5:20 PMchrystalmc: Amen
Jun 30, 5:20 PMSimone (Guest): that’s lovely Carol
un 30, 5:22 PMSimone (Guest): I think that detachment is also helping us to be part of the “second category” in the example.. cause if we are detached to worldly things – it is always easier to rise up to God –
un 30, 5:22 PMchrystalmc: That’s true
un 30, 5:23 PMRuth (Guest): Precious, Carol! How long ago was that?
un 30, 5:23 PMCarol (Guest): It must be 2007-2008
un 30, 5:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): not feeling so well so saying good night. A lovely chat tonight, thank you all chat sisters
Jun 30, 5:25 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Feel Better Dawn and thank you for being here
Jun 30, 5:25 PM
chrystalmc: Great chat dawn
Jun 30, 5:25 PM
Carol (Guest): Good night Dawn!
Jun 30, 5:25 PM
Ruth (Guest): Thank you,
30, 5:26 PM
Simone (Guest): I also leave now. It is our anniversary today.. and I promised Peter to spend the evening with him. But could not skip our chat of course 
Have a lovely week everyone.
Jun 30, 5:26 PM
SrSusan (Guest): God bless you!
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