When did God begin to love us?How can you love an uncreated being?How can we have worthy or sufficient love for the infinite goodness of the Creator?If God has prepared all means for our salvation, why didn’t He simply make it so that we couldn’t fall into original sin?What is the atonement? How does Jesus offering Himself on our behalf take away our sins? Why was it “necessary”?When we look back upon the years of our life, do we see how God manifested his mercy — even during difficult or tragic times?
Oct 13, 4:23 PM
Simone (Guest): So, Donna.. did you look for something on Salesian Spirituality?
Oct 13, 4:23 PM
Simone (Guest): or did you know a Visitation monastery maybe?
Oct 13, 4:23 PM
Donna (Guest): O Simone I found a beautiful connection
Oct 13, 4:23 PM
Simone (Guest): I would love to know the story behind it Donna
Oct 13, 4:24 PM
Simone (Guest): if you can share
Oct 13, 4:24 PM
Donna (Guest): I never went to a convent
Oct 13, 4:24 PM
Simone (Guest): Well, there are a lot of areas.. included whole Canada basically – where there are no Visitation monasteries
Oct 13, 4:25 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Carol!
Oct 13, 4:25 PM
Simone (Guest): By the way ladies.. Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
Oct 13, 4:25 PM
Donna (Guest): Years ago I went to a church called St. Francis de Sales Hi Carol!
Oct 13, 4:25 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Carol Ann!
Oct 13, 4:25 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. and there they did teach about St. Francis a little bit I guess
Oct 13, 4:25 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Everyone!
Oct 13, 4:26 PM
Simone (Guest): bye the way ladies.. May I share with you my new website? it is www.thevisitation.org
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Oct 13, 4:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): TY
Oct 13, 4:26 PM
Carol (Guest): Its beautiful
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): Awesome, thanks much
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
Simone (Guest): If you click on LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES – you can see that I am teaching a course on St. Jane de Chantal. If you know someone who would be interested to take the course, please let them know. If one of you ladies here on the chat is interested .. you all get it for free.
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
Simone (Guest): thank you Carol
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): lovely website!
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
Simone (Guest): Thank you Sister – and Hi Sister Susan
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
SrSusan (Guest): This is just wonderful
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
Carol (Guest): Hi Sr Susan
Oct 13, 4:27 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Sr Susan hi this is Betty chao
Oct 13, 4:28 PM
Donna (Guest): Thanks Simone!
Oct 13, 4:28 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): I put wrong. Name sorry
Oct 13, 4:28 PM
Donna (Guest): Hi Sister Susan!
Oct 13, 4:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hello Sr…!
Oct 13, 4:28 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): I will join daily Sunday tv mass tonight’s
Oct 13, 4:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Can I advertize it to the Federations, Simone?
Oct 13, 4:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Hi Betty
Oct 13, 4:29 PM
Simone (Guest): of course Sr. Susan. If it is helpful.
Oct 13, 4:29 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Surely all salesian material as this is helpful! So glad you take the initiative
Oct 13, 4:29 PM
Simone (Guest): I would so very much appreciate also your prayers – it would mean a lot to me – if you ladies could keep my ministry in prayer
Oct 13, 4:30 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, I will
Oct 13, 4:30 PM
Simone (Guest): Awe.. having a big smile of Gratitude here..
ct 13, 4:32 PM
SrSusan (Guest): 1 q When did God begin to love us?How can you love an uncreated being?
Oct 13, 4:32 PM
Simone (Guest): It is brand-new Sister. The Daughters are deciding tomorrow if they announce the St. Jane de Chantal course
Oct 13, 4:32 PM
SrSusan (Guest): wonderful
ct 13, 4:33 PMLori (Guest): Hello! God loved us from before we were born – knitted us in our mothers’ womb.
Oct 13, 4:33 PM
SrSusan (Guest): from all eternity
Oct 13, 4:33 PM
Dawn (Guest): Hi Ruth! Lori and Rose
Oct 13, 4:34 PM
Carol (Guest): He loved us into being infinitely long ago and waited for the moment we would be
Oct 13, 4:34 PM
Simone (Guest): You can love an uncreated being – when you are outside of time and space- in which creation is set
Oct 13, 4:34 PMDawn (Guest): Because he is love itself
Oct 13, 4:35 PM
Rose (Guest): i dont think we can understand that. can’t put infinite in the finite kind of thing? like simone said
Oct 13, 4:35 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Peace a true peace how we got that peace by accept Jesus
Oct 13, 4:35 PMSimone (Guest): and if the uncreated being is a spill over of your essential LOVE
ct 13, 4:36 PMSimone (Guest): it is not something totally outside of this eternal love.. it comes from it.. so God did not have to get to know us.. we are an overspill of His love.
Oct 13, 4:36 PM
Lori (Guest): I think love of God is a gift, a grace He gives us. For me, it took years, then exploded when He gave me the gift of Faith.
Oct 13, 4:36 PM
Carol (Guest): No, I’ve been grappling with that concept lately. We put our infinite living God in the Tabernacle of every church. The infinite in the finite
(Guest): We will get it if we obey Jesus
Oct 13, 4:37 PM
Lori (Guest): Carol, yes – speaks to Jesus’ deep humility, doesn’t it?
Oct 13, 4:37 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes Carol
Oct 13, 4:37 PM
Simone (Guest): I love that God exploded with His love in your life Lori! What a grace indeed
Oct 13, 4:37 PMSimone (Guest): deep thought Carol
Oct 13, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes
Oct 13, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): What a mystery
Oct 13, 4:38 PM
Carol (Guest): It is as though He exists like that inside each one of us, in that place in iur center where only He can be
Oct 13, 4:39 PMSimone (Guest): it all leads back to the incarnation. Oh what a blessing that was… and is
Oct 13, 4:39 PMRuth (Guest): amen!
Oct 13, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): isn’t it amazing Carol? isn’t it just amazing how he chooses to be with us?
Oct 13, 4:39 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The Word became flesh..
Oct 13, 4:40 PM
Simone (Guest): these words are so so life giving
Oct 13, 4:40 PM
Ruth (Guest): and pitched his tent among us!
Oct 13, 4:40 PM
Carol (Guest): There really is no reason to fear anything when we remember that
Oct 13, 4:40 PMSimone (Guest): I have not heard this translation for a while Ruth .. but it is true
Oct 13, 4:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How can we have worthy or sufficient love for the infinite goodness of the Creator?
Oct 13, 4:41 PM
Ruth (Guest): And dwelt among us.
Oct 13, 4:41 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Bible teach us the ten comdnments the first rules put Jesus first yesterday my mom join bible study in zoom the teacher teach us about ten rules of Jesus say don’t forgot him he is first no mater what you say do put Jesus first place
Oct 13, 4:41 PMSimone (Guest): I totally agree Carol… my question is.. why no psychologist gets trained on this.. as a remedy for anxiety?
Oct 13, 4:41 PMRuth (Guest): good thought!
Oct 13, 4:42 PM
Carol (Guest): Some do. Fuller Theological Seminarh trains that way, and I’m sure other programs do too
Oct 13, 4:42 PM
Lori (Guest): I’m not sure we can love Him as infinitely and perfectly as He is worthy this side of Heaven. Unless we become a saint? Only with His grace.
Oct 13, 4:42 PM
Dawn (Guest): Secular would not think of it
ct 13, 4:43 PMSimone (Guest): Peter studied at Fuller for a while actually
Oct 13, 4:43 PMRose (Guest): Most psychologist I think will go as far as “meditation” but not “prayer”. It’s sad really
ct 13, 4:43 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, Lori, He wants us all to be saints
Oct 13, 4:43 PM
Simone (Guest): I agree Lori.. I think our unworthiness and unperfection – is only redeemed in the light of His grace.. that He considers it enough
Oct 13, 4:44 PM
Ruth (Guest): There is one in Canada who has been moving nearer and nearer to Faith in Christ and maybe the Catholic Church. Peterson. Can’t remember just now his first name. He has been in a number of YouTube interviews with Bishop Barron.
Oct 13, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): I guess the right word would be “im-perfection”
Oct 13, 4:44 PM
Lori (Guest): Jordan Peterson?
Oct 13, 4:44 PM
Dawn (Guest): Jordon
Oct 13, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): Jordan Peterson is his name Ruth
Oct 13, 4:44 PMSimone (Guest): Peter and I follow how he develops. Bishop Barron endorses him a lot
ct 13, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): That’s a good combination Carol.. it is basically what I have too.. but it was actually Salesian Spirituality that led me to the best ways to rid myself from anxiety in deep ways
Oct 13, 4:46 PM
SrSusan (Guest): We can never have sufficient love in one sense though the joy lies in the continued growing in love for God but also in another way if we give our all to Him it is full
Oct 13, 4:46 PMSimone (Guest): that is a good point. It is the journey towards GOD – that is life giving too.. not just the arriving.. ( which does not happen for a loooooong time anyways)
Oct 13, 4:47 PMCarol (Guest): It is the journey to God that counts. So many ways but all lead to Him
Oct 13, 4:48 PMLori (Guest): I can imagine nothing more joyful than giving one’s love to God entirely by entering religious life.
Oct 13, 4:48 PM
Ruth (Guest): Unfortunately Jordan Peterson has been subject to — I was told “reeducation” — because the Canadian Psychological Association did not like what he’s been saying on YouTube. A Canadian court even upheld the professional
Oct 13, 4:49 PM
Dawn (Guest): I believe God leads each of us in his way, he is the way
Oct 13, 4:49 PM
Ruth (Guest): Association against him.
Oct 13, 4:50 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q If God has prepared all means for our salvation, why didn’t He simply make it so that we couldn’t fall into original sin?
Oct 13, 4:51 PM
Simone (Guest): Lori.. I also thought so – and in a way still do I think.. but I come to believe that every FIAT is very joyful. Wherever God calls you – we will be most joyful – when we obey.
Oct 13, 4:51 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): People disobey his words
Oct 13, 4:51 PM
Dawn (Guest): Due to giving us free will
Oct 13, 4:51 PM
Simone (Guest): If we would not have free will.. we could not love him
Oct 13, 4:51 PM
Carol (Guest): It is surrender that let’s the joy in
Oct 13, 4:52 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. so lovely said Carol
Oct 13, 4:52 PMDawn (Guest): I decided I don’t know anything lol
Oct 13, 4:52 PMSimone (Guest): That is a great decision Dawn. I am right with you
Oct 13, 4:53 PMCarol (Guest): I don’t either. Just ruminations
Oct 13, 4:54 PMRose (Guest): Isn’t it that God didn’t want “slaves” but “children”? We have to choose him
Oct 13, 4:54 PMCarol (Guest): Yes
Oct 13, 4:56 PM
Dawn (Guest): Let the little children come to me, he said
Oct 13, 4:56 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q What is the atonement?
Oct 13, 4:56 PM
Carol (Guest): I think these ruminations are Spirit led as they are not going away and are centering onChrist
Oct 13, 4:56 PM
Simone (Guest): You are asking big questions Sister this week. Not complaining.. just saying
Oct 13, 4:56 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): God is love put him first obey him
Oct 13, 4:57 PM
Simone (Guest): atonement.. is if someone makes “right” what was done wrong. ( sinful). That is a very basic approach.
Oct 13, 4:57 PM
Dawn (Guest): In atonement for our sins and those of the whole world…are they reparations?
Oct 13, 4:57 PM
Lori (Guest): at-one-ment… always loved that definition. It’s our reconciliation with God the Father by Christ’s death on the cross.
Oct 13, 4:57 PM
Simone (Guest): In the bible atonement is always linked with blood
Oct 13, 4:58 PM
Dawn (Guest): The Precious Blood
Oct 13, 4:59 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Saints are holy not gods they are just spiritual
Oct 13, 4:59 PM
Simone (Guest): In Genesis we read that “God made garments of skin” for Adam and Eve. There was already the first shedding of blood for sin
Oct 13, 4:59 PM
Donna (Guest): Blood sacrifice to satisfy for sins against God to be taken away
Oct 13, 5:00 PM
Dawn (Guest): If someone receives stigmata then, this would be what you speak of?
Oct 13, 5:00 PM
Ruth (Guest): Interesting connection, Simone.
Oct 13, 5:01 PM
SrSusan (Guest): stigmata like St Francis of Assisi
Oct 13, 5:01 PM
Dawn (Guest): Yes. Or Padre Pio…
Oct 13, 5:01 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Mom always tell me saints are spiritual guider from Jesus they are you friend but not idols
Oct 13, 5:01 PM
Simone (Guest): I do not want to become too technically.. but how would you describe the difference between atonement and forgiveness?
Oct 13, 5:02 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, the animals would have had to be sacrificed tomuse their skins. But it does not actually say that Adam and Eve made a sacrifice
Oct 13, 5:02 PM
Ruth (Guest): Doesn’t I atonement include making up for the sin.
Oct 13, 5:02 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Atonement is a process by which a sinner seeks forgiveness from and reconciliation with God, through an act of expiation such as prayer, fasting or good works Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the world by his sacrifice on the cross.
Oct 13, 5:03 PMSimone (Guest): exactly Carol.. this is a big point – so God provided the blood.
Oct 13, 5:03 PM
Ruth (Guest): For instance, as a kid when playing baseball, I break a neighbors window, The neighbor made forgive me, but still expect me to replace the broken window. At least my parents would expect me to do that.
Oct 13, 5:03 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thañ you Sr….clear explanation
Oct 13, 5:03 PM
Simone (Guest): Forgiveness means sin is not counted against you, so you don’t pay the penalty for sin. Atonement is paying the penalty for the sin, without which forgiveness is not possible. In the case of Jesus dying on the cross, he paid the penalty of our sins so we could be forgiven.
Oct 13, 5:03 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Old testament that they tide up the animals and sacrifices to God Jesus die on the cross that is great offered to God for our sins
Oct 13, 5:03 PM
Ruth (Guest): may not made
Oct 13, 5:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): What was the question we started with,looking….
Oct 13, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): what is atonement?
Oct 13, 5:05 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you””
Oct 13, 5:06 PMSimone (Guest): You are right Betty. The sacrifice has to be worthy
Oct 13, 5:07 PM
Simone (Guest): and accepted
Oct 13, 5:07 PM
Simone (Guest): I like the prayer at mass.. ” May the Lord accept the sacrifice…..”
Oct 13, 5:07 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Our sacrifice is our faithful heart and love heart that is what God wants
Oct 13, 5:07 PM
Dawn (Guest): Oh yes….
Oct 13, 5:07 PM
Carol (Guest): It is interesting to wonder if Adam and Eve made atonement since Cain and Abel sacrificed. They would have learned from their parents
Oct 13, 5:08 PMRuth (Guest): I’m not sure about that explanation, Simone. We may be able to forgive another who has sinned against us even without his making atonement. If we can do that surely God can.
Oct 13, 5:09 PMSimone (Guest): I am glad you mention that Ruth.. I was wondering too..
Oct 13, 5:10 PM
Simone (Guest): I would love to talk more about forgiveness one day. It is such an interesting concept.
Oct 13, 5:10 PM
Lori (Guest): I think God forgives all sorts of venial sins that we may not even know we’re committing. That would be an example of God’s forgiveness without atonement.
Oct 13, 5:11 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q How does Jesus offering Himself on our behalf take away our sins? Why was it “necessary”?
Oct 13, 5:11 PMSimone (Guest): We had this discussion a while ago.. about forgiveness and atonement. The question was raised.. why do we need to go through purgatory if God forgave all our sins? The answer was.. because forgiveness is not atonement. It is such deep theology – I am not sure if we can handle it here to be honest in the chat format
ct 13, 5:12 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Is bad because he want us do his way not Jesus way
Oct 13, 5:12 PM
Rose (Guest): isnt it “
Oct 13, 5:12 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): Because himself is disobey God too
Oct 13, 5:13 PM
Carol (Guest): Our sins are wiped away in the sacrament of confession but we must still make reparation?
Oct 13, 5:13 PM
Rose (Guest): my mercy doesnt want this but justice demands it” whatevers the quote
Oct 13, 5:13 PM
Simone (Guest): Because Jesus had both natures.. and could be the only bridge- that could bring a natural sacrifice in time into eternity
Oct 13, 5:14 PM
Simone (Guest): and the sacrifice of Jesus was necessary in order to remove the abyss of spereation between mankind and God
Oct 13, 5:14 PM
Ruth (Guest): Wow, that’s a powerful thought Simone
ct 13, 5:15 PM
Donna (Guest): Before that all the holy souls went to the limbo of the Fathers whom Jesus liberated after his death and resurrection
Oct 13, 5:15 PM
Lori (Guest): “bring a natural sacrifice in time into eternity” – agreed, powerful! And this is what allows us to re-present the sacrifice of Jesus every Mass.
Oct 13, 5:15 PM
Ruth (Guest): 8:13
Oct 13, 5:15 PM
Carol (Guest): We could never atone for ourselve
Oct 13, 5:15 PM
Simone (Guest): exactly Lori
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Simone (Guest): we could never ever atone for ourselves. so right Carol
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Hi Sr susan (Guest): I had to leave it is great pleasure to chat with you Jesus love you all bye
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Donna (Guest): Old testament sacrifice was temporary Jesus is permanent
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Lori (Guest): I marvel at God’s absolutely divinely perfect solution to our sin problem.
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Carol (Guest): Good night Betty
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Donna (Guest): Bye Sister Susan!
Oct 13, 5:16 PM
Simone (Guest): I marvel right beside you Lori
Oct 13, 5:17 PM
Simone (Guest): Bye Betty
Oct 13, 5:18 PMSrSusan (Guest): q When we look back upon the years of our life, do we see how God manifested his mercy — even during difficult or tragic times
Oct 13, 5:18 PM
Ruth (Guest): Yes, Betty has grown a great deal. god bless her and her family.
Oct 13, 5:18 PM
Carol (Guest): Yes, He has been showing me gradually
Oct 13, 5:19 PM
Ruth (Guest): YES!
Oct 13, 5:19 PM
Donna (Guest): Definitely!
Oct 13, 5:19 PM
Dawn (Guest): Things revealed during conversion
Oct 13, 5:20 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. where to start … so much mercy.. so much mercy
Oct 13, 5:20 PM
Lori (Guest): I can look back and now see how God kept His loving hand on me, protecting me, even through 30 years of unbelief and darkness. His love and mercy is absolutely boundless.
Oct 13, 5:21 PM
Simone (Guest): thanks for sharing Lori .. I am also a protected sheep over many years of disobedience.. and it is only his mercy that lead me back.
Oct 13, 5:21 PM
Simone (Guest): As I have said earlier.. it is our Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend.. and my greatest gratitude is for GOD not having given up on me. so very thankful
Oct 13, 5:22 PM
Donna (Guest): And such a great mystery when God could have ended my life early without Him and could have gone to hell when so many others did die seemingly without Him.
Oct 13, 5:22 PM
Ruth (Guest): One of the positive effects of journaling is not only the healing that can happen while one is An journaling, but also Looking back and seeing how merciful God has been.
Oct 13, 5:22 PM
Simone (Guest): oh Donna.. your heart must be so full with thanksgiving too
Oct 13, 5:22 PM
Carol (Guest): And me!
Oct 13, 5:22 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes Simone!!!
Oct 13, 5:23 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes Carol!!!
Oct 13, 5:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): Ruth, this is a good reason to journal .ct 13, 5:23 PMSimone (Guest): Yes Ruth.. that is so so true. When we realize how He has every so subtle untied deep knots in our life and in our soul – and freedom unfolded where for many years bondage has kept us captive
Oct 13, 5:24 PM
SrSusan (Guest): His mercy saves us all
Oct 13, 5:24 PM
Ruth (Guest): Simone, with the Sisters of St. Joseph, Watertown Province, we will be celebrating a Harvest Dinner tomorrow.
Oct 13, 5:24 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes
Oct 13, 5:24 PM
Simone (Guest): How lovely Ruth
Oct 13, 5:24 PM
Carol (Guest): That sounds lime fun
Oct 13, 5:24 PM
Donna (Guest): Awe nice I wish I was with you all!
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Ruth (Guest): Here it is Columba’s Day and Native People’s Day.
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Simone (Guest): that said Donna.. ” we all” are all over North America 
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes!
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Carol (Guest): This is also the anniversary of the sun dancing at Fatima
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes!!!
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Donna (Guest): Yes!!!
Oct 13, 5:25 PM
Simone (Guest): Yes.. Dawn mentioned that in the beginning. Happy Feast Day everyone!
Oct 13, 5:26 PM
Donna (Guest): Happy feast day!!!
Oct 13, 5:26 PM
Dawn (Guest): Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Oct 13, 5:26 PM
Donna (Guest): Amen!
ct 13, 5:27 PM
Carol (Guest): Is it 5:30 already?
Oct 13, 5:27 PM
Ruth (Guest): Donna ,where do you live? If you can get to Norwood, NY you can be my guest. We are welcome to invite guests.
Oct 13, 5:27 PM
Dawn (Guest): Rosaries 🕊️
Oct 13, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): You too Sister Susan
Oct 13, 5:27 PM
Simone (Guest): it’s 8:30 here already Carol
Oct 13, 5:27 PM
Carol (Guest): God bless us every one
Oct 13, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): That is so sweet of you Ruth. You have such a spiritual gift of hospitality
Oct 13, 5:28 PM
Dawn (Guest): Thank you Sr Susan and everyone! G’night
Oct 13, 5:28 PM
Lori (Guest): Good night and blessings to all!
Oct 13, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): I would love to go with you Ruth. I would be so happy to sit beside my “chat sister”
Oct 13, 5:28 PM
Simone (Guest): Distance is a bummer
Oct 13, 5:28 PM
Donna (Guest): Awe thank you Ruth so much but I do not travel far because I have health issues and live in Maryland
Oct 13, 5:29 PM
Simone (Guest): Good night everyone! And enjoy the outing Ruth!
Oct 13, 5:29 PM
Donna (Guest): but thank you again God bless you good night dear Sr Susan and dear friends!
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