Why can splendors and “pomp and circumstance” feel so rewarding to some, and yet so empty and vain to others?Is longing for eternity a risk of causing us to not be present enough in this world?If we are made for eternity, why do we have to pass through this life of time and decay first?In the first letter St. Francis warns against the splendors of the court and yet in the second letter, he advises against a physical poverty of extreme fasting and shoeless-ness. How do we balance between the two extremes? An
Dec 12, 6:57 AM
SrSusan (Guest): And why is that important?Read this line from the second letter: I want “the daughters of our congregation to have their feet well shod but their hearts quite bare and stripped of worldly affections, their heads well covered and their spirit bare, in that they had achieved perfect simplicity and completely renounced their own will.” Discuss how living in moderate austerity can help us become stripped of worldly affections and help renounce our own wills? Sign up for our Living Jesus Chat Room:Come to our Li
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Dec 15, 4:32 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Why can splendors and “pomp and circumstance” feel so rewarding to some, and yet so empty and vain to others?
Dec 15, 4:32 PM
Simone (Guest): Hi Dawn..
Dec 15, 4:33 PM
Simone (Guest): sorry… but what is meant with pomp and circumstances?
Dec 15, 4:34 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Some person invited me go to vatican but i answer my toe foot no good
Dec 15, 4:34 PM
Dawn (Guest): I believe it depends where one is on their journey…
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Simone (Guest): oh wow.. Vatican./ that sounds special; Betty
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Bettychao (Guest): I wish i can go to vacation
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SrSusan (Guest): I think he is referring to vanity?
ec 15, 4:35 PM
Simone (Guest): I was not sure if he was talking about liturgical pomp or personal
Dec 15, 4:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): vanity. like is one is more involved with worldly things, this would be vanity?
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ” Not that I ever held vanity in high esteem, but I find it even more vain when I am surrounded by the feeble splendors of the court.
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I have liturgy of prayer book i got from my church
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): a quote from the letter
ec 15, 4:36 PMDawn (Guest): oh! this whole letter seems filled with these ….Ill say powerful in a gentle way, insights
Dec 15, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think a person whho has not grown spiritually yet finds worldly excitement pleasurable, like court things in his day
Dec 15, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): I remember the session with my Spiritual director. when I stated ” it feels like the world has nothing to give to me anymore”.. and I felt sad and free at the same moment
Dec 15, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): but after awhile it seems empty
Dec 15, 4:39 PMSimone (Guest): to be honest.. this very thing.. has separated me though from many friendships.
Dec 15, 4:39 PMSimone (Guest): because.. I simply cannot make myself enjoy some things anymore.. but these were things I did with friends
Dec 15, 4:40 PM
Simone (Guest): that’s why I love this chat.. because I think you all think like me in this regards
Dec 15, 4:40 PM
Bettychao (Guest): So now father dominic su is my spiritual director from st Elizabeth ann seton catholic parish Los Angeles
Dec 15, 4:41 PMSrSusan (Guest): q Is longing for eternity a risk of causing us to not be present enough in this world?
Dec 15, 4:43 PM
Simone (Guest): to be honest… I think there is this risk.. I am not sure if the word “present” is the right word for me.. but there are so many things, I truly do not care.. but society cares.. or people around you care.. it is hard to keep my interest in that.. and I do not want to come across as anti- social
Dec 15, 4:43 PM
Dawn (Guest): The closer we are to Jesus it seems the more present , not so much to the world but to others
Dec 15, 4:44 PMSimone (Guest): Like.. all these fund raisers in church.. and women’s gatherings,. that are full of chit chat.. I simply cannot make myself enjoy that anymore.. and that from someone who was known as a social butterfly and extremely extrovert
Dec 15, 4:44 PMDawn (Guest): im at a lack of the right words often
ec 15, 4:45 PMSimone (Guest): but Dawn.. I am not sure if others want us to be”present”. I love to be “present”…. but others
ec 15, 4:45 PMDawn (Guest): I uderstand SImone. I am not present with those worldy people..
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Dec 15, 4:35 PM
Simone (Guest): I was not sure if he was talking about liturgical pomp or personal
Dec 15, 4:35 PM
Dawn (Guest): vanity. like is one is more involved with worldly things, this would be vanity?
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): ” Not that I ever held vanity in high esteem, but I find it even more vain when I am surrounded by the feeble splendors of the court.
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I have liturgy of prayer book i got from my church
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
SrSusan (Guest): a quote from the letter
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Today i will use this book for join my worship tonight
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
Simone (Guest): it is good to pray like this Betty
Dec 15, 4:36 PM
Dawn (Guest): oh! this whole letter seems filled with these ….Ill say powerful in a gentle way, insights
Dec 15, 4:37 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I join mass daily sunday tv mass sometimes they had different church father say mass for us
Dec 15, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think a person whho has not grown spiritually yet finds worldly excitement pleasurable, like court things in his day
Dec 15, 4:38 PM
Simone (Guest): I remember the session with my Spiritual director. when I stated ” it feels like the world has nothing to give to me anymore”.. and I felt sad and free at the same moment
Dec 15, 4:38 PM
SrSusan (Guest): but after awhile it seems empty
Dec 15, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): to be honest.. this very thing.. has separated me though from many friendships.
Dec 15, 4:39 PM
Simone (Guest): because.. I simply cannot make myself enjoy some things anymore.. but these were things I did with friends
Dec 15, 4:39 PM
Bettychao (Guest): My spiritual director is from cure of ars catholic church kansas city mgsr charles but he pass way
Dec 15, 4:40 PM
Simone (Guest): that’s why I love this chat.. because I think you all think like me in this regards
Dec 15, 4:40 PM
Bettychao (Guest): So now father dominic su is my spiritual director from st Elizabeth ann seton catholic parish Los Angeles
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
Simone (Guest): it is such a grace to have found a good Spiritual Director
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
ruth (Guest): Hello everyone. I thought I was on time, but just reading what Everyone is postingTook me until now,
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes you are blessed Betty
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I just has two time confessions with him
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
Dawn (Guest): I experience this also, it becomes more pronounced in time
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
Bettychao (Guest): I had retreat talk about confession yesterday
Dec 15, 4:41 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q Is longing for eternity a risk of causing us to not be present enough in this world?
Dec 15, 4:42 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr susan do you know bishop barron
Dec 15, 4:42 PM
SrSusan (Guest): not personally
Dec 15, 4:43 PM
Simone (Guest): to be honest… I think there is this risk.. I am not sure if the word “present” is the right word for me.. but there are so many things, I truly do not care.. but society cares.. or people around you care.. it is hard to keep my interest in that.. and I do not want to come across as anti- social
Dec 15, 4:43 PM
Dawn (Guest): The closer we are to Jesus it seems the more present , not so much to the world but to others
Dec 15, 4:44 PM
Simone (Guest): Like.. all these fund raisers in church.. and women’s gatherings,. that are full of chit chat.. I simply cannot make myself enjoy that anymore.. and that from someone who was known as a social butterfly and extremely extrovert
Dec 15, 4:44 PM
Dawn (Guest): im at a lack of the right words often
Dec 15, 4:44 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr susan when i am in hk hotel for vocation my neighbor who live a room closed to me we live 13 floors but he kill himself die
Dec 15, 4:45 PM
SrSusan (Guest): terrible!
Dec 15, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): but Dawn.. I am not sure if others want us to be”present”. I love to be “present”…. but others want more fun..
Dec 15, 4:45 PM
Simone (Guest): oh Betty.. that is so horrible
Dec 15, 4:45 PM
Bettychao (Guest): We cant play our life that jesus gave us
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Dawn (Guest): I uderstand SImone. I am not present with those worldy people..
Dec 15, 4:46 PM
Dawn (Guest): Im sorry Betty
Dec 15, 4:47 PM
Simone (Guest): I don’t want to paint the picture that I am so super holy.. but I truly notice that my ability to be amongst people has drastically changed after the Lord drew me into contemplative prayer on a regular basis.
Dec 15, 4:47 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I dont think we are daydreaming when we want to be in heaven and we can be present to others but trivial stuff is not interesting as much
Dec 15, 4:47 PM
want more fun..
Dec 15, 4:48 PM
Dawn (Guest): but salvation is a process of becoming holier and holier through time
Dec 15, 4:48 PM
Simone (Guest): I am not checking out on life.. I just find that God positions me differently now
Dec 15, 4:48 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Their is a woman authur from taiwan she kill herself too
Dec 15, 4:48 PM
Simone (Guest): I totally agree Dawn
Dec 15, 4:49 PMDawn (Guest): so it seems this has become much more my focal point and less in the world
Dec 15, 4:49 PMSrSusan (Guest): q If we are made for eternity, why do we have to pass through this life of time and decay first?
ec 15, 4:50 PM
Simone (Guest): well.. I like how the author Johannes Metz says it.. Human beings are the only beings in creation.. that have to BECOME what they are.
Dec 15, 4:50 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Sr susan how is nyc covid
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Simone (Guest): and living our life on earth – in time and space – is the context of our becomingDec 15, 4:52 PMDawn (Guest): Ive read this letter several times. he expresses so well and in a beaufiul way. like The further I advance in this mortality the more contemptible I find it…..love this clarity
Dec 15, 4:54 PMSrSusan (Guest): God has designed our world and our eternity I trust in Him
Dec 15, 4:54 PM
Simone (Guest): AMEN
Dec 15, 4:54 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, I trust in Jesus
ec 15, 4:55 PM
SrSusan (Guest): q In the first letter St. Francis warns against the splendors of the court and yet in the second letter, he advises against a physical poverty of extreme fasting and shoeless-ness. How do we balance between the two extremes?
Dec 15, 4:55 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Dawn my health is good both morning night my blood pressure good supposed my blood pressure in night is terrible but i trust jesus calm me down jesus healing my health so my blood pressure is better
Dec 15, 4:55 PM
Dawn (Guest): and this ….I find it even more vain when I am surrounded by the feeble splendors of the court…!!!
Dec 15, 4:57 PMDawn (Guest): May the Holy SPirit guide us
Dec 15, 4:58 PM
Simone (Guest): I think the Spirit itself balances this. If He inhibits us, we are not finding joy in the world.. but we also know we do not have to work for God’s grace and love by extreme self inflicted suffering
Dec 15, 4:58 PM
SrSusan (Guest): St Francis always went for moderatio of any extreme in general
Dec 15, 4:58 PMSimone (Guest): because every excess is usually self serving in one way or another
Dec 15, 5:00 PMDawn (Guest): Good point here…
Dec 15, 5:00 PMSrSusan (Guest): and he wanted interior mortification more than exterior
Dec 15, 5:00 PMSimone (Guest): that is what I so love about Salesian Spirituality
Dec 15, 5:03 PMSrSusan (Guest): why is balance important? i think you answered that Simone
ec 15, 5:04 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Read this line from the second letter: I want “the daughters of our congregation to have their feet well shod but their hearts quite bare and stripped of worldly affections, their heads well covered and their spirit bare, in that they had achieved perfect simplicity and completely renounced their own will.” Discuss how living in moderate austerity can help us become stripped of worldly affections and help renounce our own wills?
Dec 15, 5:04 PM
Dawn (Guest): yes, clear answer
Dec 15, 5:05 PMSrSusan (Guest): In other words do not concentrate on physical penance but change your heart and will
ec 15, 5:05 PM
Simone (Guest): yes.
Dec 15, 5:06 PM
Simone (Guest): which is really dying to ourselves
Dec 15, 5:06 PMSrSusan (Guest): which obedience helps with
Dec 15, 5:07 PM
Simone (Guest): obedience is a great tool for dying to ourselves
Dec 15, 5:07 PM
SrSusan (Guest): whether to one another or to a superior or boss
Dec 15, 5:07 PM
Simone (Guest): I think that a life in a monastery is a big help in forming this
Dec 15, 5:08 PM
Simone (Guest): sorry.. what is spiritual underpinning
Dec 15, 5:08 PM
SrSusan (Guest): in the working world obedience per se may not be encouraged in that same sense
Dec 15, 5:08 PM
Bettychao (Guest): The catholic convent is obey strict rules that is help us to obey law of church straight
Dec 15, 5:09 PM
Bettychao (Guest): The law of Catholic Church is jesus gave to us
Dec 15, 5:09 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I mean obedience can be seen as control in a secular environment but in religion it is a spiritual exercise and hopefully done in a spiritual way
Dec 15, 5:09 PMSimone (Guest): I see.
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Simone (Guest): Can also be lived like this in a marriage
Dec 15, 5:10 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yes and I know someone who does live her marriage that way
Dec 15, 5:10 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Confession and liturgy meditation is jesus give us my mom tell me
Dec 15, 5:10 PM
SrSusan (Guest): maybe alot of people do!
Dec 15, 5:10 PMSimone (Guest): well.. A lot of devout women interpret marriage like this
Dec 15, 5:11 PM
Simone (Guest): it also depends on the husband. Not every man can handle that either
Dec 15, 5:11 PM
SrSusan (Guest): good insight
ec 15, 5:12 PMBettychao (Guest): Even you married you both need to obey catholic sacrament rules and obey laws of church when you married at church
Dec 15, 5:12 PMSimone (Guest): you are right Betty
Dec 15, 5:12 PMBettychao (Guest): But alot of people dont obey
Dec 15, 5:13 PMSrSusan (Guest): need to ask for the grace
Dec 15, 5:14 PMSimone (Guest): good reminder Sister.. to ask for the grace to obey
Dec 15, 5:14 PM
SrSusan (Guest): My Advent reading is from an older book called A year of Grace
Dec 15, 5:15 PM
SrSusan (Guest): everything depends on grace
Dec 15, 5:15 PM
Simone (Guest): I can obey.. but I find it hard often to obey without resentment
Dec 15, 5:15 PMSimone (Guest): All is grace in the end I come to realize recently
Dec 15, 5:16 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I am sorry about your sister- I will join you in prayer for her marriage
Dec 15, 5:16 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Thanks
Dec 15, 5:16 PM
SrSusan (Guest): The problem aboutngrace for me is in recognizing it sometimes
Dec 15, 5:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I have to look back, dont see it right away
Dec 15, 5:17 PM
Simone (Guest): in what way recognizing?
Dec 15, 5:17 PM
Simone (Guest): oh.. I think I see what you mean
Dec 15, 5:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): well lots of saints say they received this or that grace I cant say that so easily
Dec 15, 5:17 PM
Bettychao (Guest): Let is reconized jesus teachings and rules of church
Dec 15, 5:17 PM
SrSusan (Guest): but for ex my recent surgery- I felt so calm about it that was clearly a grace
Dec 15, 5:18 PM
Simone (Guest): Praise be to God.. and yes,, that was truly a given grace
Dec 15, 5:19 PMSrSusan (Guest): at Christmas the gift of grace is there- at every Mass too, but I don’t always see it
Dec 15, 5:19 PM
SrSusan (Guest): at Christmas the gift of grace is there- at every Mass too, but I don’t always see it
Dec 15, 5:20 PM
SrSusan (Guest): yet every moment of breath is actually!
Dec 15, 5:20 PM
Simone (Guest): I never forget Sister.. when I so panicked before my operation 2 years ago, you told me that I am looking into the future without access to the grace that will be given at that time.. That has helped me a lot.. and I keep encouraging other people with that insight
Dec 15, 5:21 PM
SrSusan (Guest): I think I should take my own advice Simone re my future
Dec 15, 5:21 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Great Betty!
Dec 15, 5:21 PM
Simone (Guest): God wanted to remind you today Sister 
Dec 15, 5:22 PMDawn (Guest): I will remember….grace comes at the time needed
Dec 15, 5:23 PM
Simone (Guest): Have a blessed week everyone
Dec 15, 5:23 PM
Dawn (Guest): enjoy preparing !
Dec 15, 5:23 PM
SrSusan (Guest): Have a wonderful 3rd week of Advent!
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